Sebenza vs Hinderer? (Old Thread)

Hinderer XM18 or Sebenza 21 Large

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".1 of a millimeter"...0.1 mm = 0.00393701 inch. Now we're down to gun measurements/tolerances within the thousandths...I think we've officially gone above and beyond our Great Expectations. Damn you , Chris, you crooked bum! lol

Seriously though, no one's shaving anything in my Sebenza, it feels great.
 
So you have a ton of information, opinions and a poll results now to make a decision. Have you decided and are you actually going to buy one of the knives now?

BTW, my vote was for a CRK.
 
Ajack60 said:
And where did you get this information? I don't recall anyone at CRK ever mentioning that their bushings were oversized causing issues. I've yet to get a CRK with sandpaper in the box. They do come with a allen wrench, grease, locktite on some models and a cloth, but never sandpaper.

Maybe you share the source of this info so everyone reading this thread won't be confused and misinformed.
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I never said they come with sandpaper lol? All I'm saying is I've seen many people on YouTube share ways on how to make their Sebenza "smoother" jdavis and even ApostleP have both said the Sebenza isn't as smooth as it should/can be. They have both made how to videos on sanding their bushings down and then stropping to a mirror finish. After they have done this their blade practically falls when they hit the lock bar.

You guys have seriously not heard of this? Or are these videos all just really anal people ?
 
Aquaholicc said:
I never said they come with sandpaper lol? All I'm saying is I've seen many people on YouTube share ways on how to make their Sebenza "smoother" jdavis and even ApostleP have both said the Sebenza isn't as smooth as it should/can be. They have both made how to videos on sanding their bushings down and then stropping to a mirror finish. After they have done this their blade practically falls when they hit the lock bar.

You guys have seriously not heard of this? Or are these videos all just really anal people ?
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CRK does not recommend this nor would I. They get smoother over time from use, some are in a hurry. There are people that do all sorts of things to their knives on the internet-doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.
 
While I believe in many of the positive comments on CRK Sebenza, I am yet to believe it is the smoothest production folder ever manufactured. Could those honest Sebenza owners who also have had many other quality folders confirm it please?

Again, my experience with Sebenza is very limited (only one) and I just cannot conclude it is THE smoothest among my collection. Heck it is not even among the smoothest - my ZT 0562cf, 0801, 0561, Spyderco PM2 and Military, Benchmade Ritter Grip, and 940-1501 feel smoother. Yes - I am talking about smoothness, not speed of opening the blade.
 
sharp_edge said:
While I believe in many of the positive comments on CRK Sebenza, I am yet to believe it is the smoothest production folder ever manufactured. Could those honest Sebenza owners who also have had many other quality folders confirm it please?
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Smooth enough, gets smoother with time, smoother than some, but not smoothest.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
Smooth enough, gets smoother with time, smoother than some, but not smoothest.
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I thought the whole reason for the CRK being a CRK is the "fit and finish" of the product? Wouldn't that include it being basically the "smoothest" out there then? It's funny I guess this argument could go on forever lol. I'm about to pay 400 bucks for a knife that's is suppose to be the "staple" of production knives in the "knife world" and yet you guys are agreeing that's it's not the "smoothest"?


Maybe I'm just dumb..or expect too much when I drop half a grand on a knife?..
 
Aquaholicc said:
I thought the whole reason for the CRK being a CRK is the "fit and finish" of the product? Wouldn't that include it being basically the "smoothest" out there then? It's funny I guess this argument could go on forever lol. I'm about to pay 400 bucks for a knife that's is suppose to be the "staple" of production knives in the "knife world" and yet you guys are agreeing that's it's not the "smoothest"?


Maybe I'm just dumb..or expect too much when I drop half a grand on a knife?..
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I think people's definition of smooth differs from person to person. I have knives that open quicker and maybe a bit easier but they are not as "smooth" as my large Sebenza. The Sebenza is incredibly smooth in terms of how the blade just kind of floats out into position. It just fells like everything is perfectly fitted and precise. It just feels like one piece of material. I know that sounds weird but it;s hard to describe. You really have to handle one to understand it.

If you're looking for a super fast firing knife where the blade rockets out like a bullet, CRK is probably not what your looking for. Neither is Hinderer for that matter. People seems to get to caught up in "perfect" flicking and flipper action. The CRK will open every time with buttery smoothness but it won't win any awards for fastest or easier firing blade out there. And it doesn't need to.

Hopefully the last few comments on this thread don't put you off one knife or the other and cause you to go back to "looking" for a knife. After kicking the can around as much as you have, at some point you just need to buy a knife. Buy used and resell it for the other if you're not happy. I have knives from Hinderer and CRK and I would still buy the CRK first.
 
Aquaholicc said:
I thought the whole reason for the CRK being a CRK is the "fit and finish" of the product? Wouldn't that include it being basically the "smoothest" out there then? It's funny I guess this argument could go on forever lol. I'm about to pay 400 bucks for a knife that's is suppose to be the "staple" of production knives in the "knife world" and yet you guys are agreeing that's it's not the "smoothest"?


Maybe I'm just dumb..or expect too much when I drop half a grand on a knife?..
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It is a smooth knife, but not necessarily the smoothness.
Smoothness is just on attribute. It is the combination of all it's attributes that makes the knife. Out of the box I find Teflon washers smoother, but Phosphor bronze gets smoother and smoother with break in. The Hinderer is a very smooth knife, but other attributes such as the weight and the thicker blade may counter that(or not if those are positives to you).
In the end you have to make a decision based on what you like in a knife. Some like thick blades, some flipper, recurves, bearings, certain length blades-the list goes on. My likes are not going to be yours. In the end it will just be a good knife. It's not going to take the trash out and wash the dishes.

CRK is a working knife made for safe smooth opening-not coolness of opening
 
aleforme said:
I think people's definition of smooth differs from person to person. I have knives that open quicker and maybe a bit easier but they are not as "smooth" as my large Sebenza. The Sebenza is incredibly smooth in terms of how the blade just kind of floats out into position. It just fells like everything is perfectly fitted and precise. It just feels like one piece of material. I know that sounds weird but it;s hard to describe. You really have to handle one to understand it.

If you're looking for a super fast firing knife where the blade rockets out like a bullet, CRK is probably not what your looking for. Neither is Hinderer for that matter. People seems to get to caught up in "perfect" flicking and flipper action. The CRK will open every time with buttery smoothness but it won't win any awards for fastest or easier firing blade out there. And it doesn't need to.

Hopefully the last few comments on this thread don't put you off one knife or the other and cause you to go back to "looking" for a knife. After kicking the can around as much as you have, at some point you just need to buy a knife. Buy used and resell it for the other if you're not happy. I have knives from Hinderer and CRK and I would still buy the CRK first.
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Nope I have the rocket fire opening card all checked out with my 940-2 and 0450CF. Hell even my PM2 is a rocket. I understand it's more of a controlled opening type of folder. I guess I'll just have to really handle one to know.

Peter Hartwig said:
It is a smooth knife, but not necessarily the smoothness.
Smoothness is just on attribute. It is the combination of all it's attributes that makes the knife. Out of the box I find Teflon washers smoother, but Phosphor bronze gets smoother and smoother with break in. The Hinderer is a very smooth knife, but other attributes such as the weight and the thicker blade may counter that(or not if those are positives to you).
In the end you have to make a decision based on what you like in a knife. Some like thick blades, some flipper, recurves, bearings, certain length blades-the list goes on. My likes are not going to be yours. In the end it will just be a good knife. It's not going to take the trash out and wash the dishes.

CRK is a working knife made for safe smooth opening-not coolness of opening
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So can I put phosper bronze bushing in my Sebenza ??
 
Aquaholicc said:
Nope I have the rocket fire opening card all checked out with my 940-2 and 0450CF. Hell even my PM2 is a rocket. I understand it's more of a controlled opening type of folder. I guess I'll just have to really handle one to know.


So can I put phosper bronze bushing in my Sebenza ??
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Do you mean washers-they already are phosphor Bronze washers.
 
How do you like that half-track? I have an MP-1 and have been contemplating the half-track as my next purchase.

halden.doerge said:
As Willi Shakespeare once said, a picture is worth a dozen words. I trust this will let you know which I prefer in the eternal debate of CRK vs. Hinderer:

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GJJGrappler said:
How do you like that half-track? I have an MP-1 and have been contemplating the half-track as my next purchase.
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I love it. It's my smallest locking knife, but so solid and robust that I never feel under-knifed carrying it. And flips great, looks great and cuts remarkably well for its size.

If you like the MP1, I think you'll like the Halftrack if you're looking for the same solid feel in a smaller package.
 
Aquaholicc said:
I thought the whole reason for the CRK being a CRK is the "fit and finish" of the product? Wouldn't that include it being basically the "smoothest" out there then? It's funny I guess this argument could go on forever lol. I'm about to pay 400 bucks for a knife that's is suppose to be the "staple" of production knives in the "knife world" and yet you guys are agreeing that's it's not the "smoothest"?


Maybe I'm just dumb..or expect too much when I drop half a grand on a knife?..
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I'm willing to bet you're likely gonna be disappointed, as I doubt it will live up to your expectations. It's just a knife. A good knife, but a knife just the same. Sooner or later, you're gonna have to see for yourself, or not.
 
flipe8 said:
I'm willing to bet you're likely gonna be disappointed, as I doubt it will live up to your expectations. It's just a knife. A good knife, but a knife just the same. Sooner or later, you're gonna have to see for yourself, or not.
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Let's hope that doesn't happen lol, I feel like I will keep it nonetheless.
 
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