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Sebenza VS Lochsa.... What are your impressions?
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Originally posted by PWork
Just to clear something up....If you think CRK can't make any other blade shape, take a look at their One-Piece line. It seems that they in fact can and do make other shapes.
Paul
Folders, lad, folders.
I have two Mnandi, terrific handle design - almost a great blade shape - if only the damn tip wasn't turned up!
Oops, my math mistake. I paid $170 shipped for my Buck TNT (brand new, not secondary market). So I figured two is $340. If I bought it new Sebenza I'd have to pay $340 plus shipping (cost of lunch). But I wasn't comparing fair 'cause I should be comparing it to a small Sebenza.
~Mitch
I don't have a particularly good vocabulary, so I don't know what "specious" means.
What I can explain, is that I'm the end user the end consumer. I don't care about the economics of the distribution network. I only care about what I'd pay for a brand new model X knife. With a Sebenza I'd pay $340. With a Buck TNT I paid $170 shipped. With my Kershaw Bump I paid much less than what most people are saying but let's assume a standard price of $170. Okay, so I guess I wouldn't have change left over - I'd "only" have two TNTs or two Bumps for the one large Sebenza.
I don't know if this math works out for everyone but the price difference between a Buck TNT ($170) and a (large) Sebenza ($340) is the same as the price difference between a custom TNT from Tom ($500).
As far as customs comparing to factory goes, like I said, I collect knives from people who I like and am friends with. We all have our own reasons for collecting/buying knives. I know MOST of us have more knives than we need...
~Mitch
ps, I don't understand the customer service thing with CRK. When I sent my knife in for "refurb" it cost me $70. $20 for bead blasting, $20 for the blade, $20 for a new double thumblug (since the break it off to redo the blade) and $10 shipping. I don't know of any custom maker who will nickel and dime you this badly on touching up a well used and enjoyed knife.
from Merriam Webster online dictonary:
Main Entry: spe·cious
Pronunciation: 'spE-sh&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, visually pleasing, from Latin speciosus beautiful, plausible, from species
Date: 1513
2 : having deceptive attraction or allure
3 : having a false look of truth or genuineness
...ps, I don't understand the customer service thing with CRK. When I sent my knife in for "refurb" it cost me $70. $20 for bead blasting, $20 for the blade, $20 for a new double thumblug (since the break it off to redo the blade) and $10 shipping. I don't know of any custom maker who will nickel and dime you this badly on touching up a well used and enjoyed knife. [/QUOTE]
Two comments on this one.
1. Secret - if you are a really nice guy (or just own lots of CRK products) - sometimes the CRK "refurb" costs you nothing.
2. Forget nickel and diming - how about quartering and dollaring? For an expensive custom refurb, just call Bob Terzuola. He makes no secret about the fact that he does not like to refinish blades or handles. To refinish a titanium handle ATCF and redo the blade finish will run you $140. Maybe that's only for folks he doesn't know (like me), but that is what he quoted to me.
He will, however, re-sharpen the blade and repair the lock for the cost of shipping only.
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Apples and oranges.
The resaon Bob Terzuola charges for refinishing is because his stuff is not bead blasted like most others, it has to be completely re-anodized. Re-anodizing is alot different than a quick refinish.
The resaon Bob Terzuola charges for refinishing is because his stuff is not bead blasted like most others, it has to be completely re-anodized. Re-anodizing is alot different than a quick refinish.
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aw, c'mon lifter.. just let me have my BF moments in the sun will ya? lol.. but i bet none of those other threads have the enthralling content of this one!Originally posted by lifter4Him
Alan, do a search. This discussion has been had on BF probably a dozen times before,LOL.
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lol, true. But the sebenza vs custom or handmade has been done to death.
The real bottom line is everyone should just buy what they ike and can afford.
Alan, you're the man
The real bottom line is everyone should just buy what they ike and can afford.
Alan, you're the man
Thanks for the vocab lesson. My numbers were a little off, so I guess it was specious. My underlying point is that a Sebenza is overpriced for a factory knife, and doesn't come with the same customer service that a custom knife does.
Damnit, I guess I got the short end of the stick on refurb costs! It was my first (and only) Sebenza and I just sent it in and asked for a refurb. When the work was done I choked when Bridgette told me the bill! (I had read refurbs are usually $20). Bridgette broke the price down for me, and I paid it. A little while later I was at Tom Mayo's shop and he said he could've done all of that, and I'd just have to buy him lunch!
~Mitch
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Dave...as usual is correct. Bottom line is what you like as an individual and what works for you as an individual. I've had both. The Lochsa is a very nice knife, it was just too small for me. The large Sebenza is more to my liking, especially when there is wood involved in it! The wood does thicken and round the grip slightly and is my cup of tea.
Bottom line 2; said this a dozen times, if you don't like a Sebenza don't buy one.
Bottom line 2; said this a dozen times, if you don't like a Sebenza don't buy one.
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*beats chest like king kong, takes bow*Originally posted by lifter4Him
Alan, you're the man
IMHO, from the side the Lochsa looks like a Sebenza knock-off. It looks like the handle of a Sebenza Classic after someone took a grinder to it. The blade is very Sebenza like. It is too bad the designer of the Lochsa made it look so much like a Sebenza. On the other hand, maybe Mr. Reeve should be flattered.
Rich
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Rich,
Concerning handle shape, have you ever held a Lochsa and a sebenza at the same time? Saying one is a knock-off of the other is a serious stretch of the imagination.
How well do you know you knife history? Have you ever seen a knife Scott Cook made before he was the foreman at CRK? The blade shape on the Lochsa, sebenza and Scott's fixed blade hunters looks just like the knives Scott made prior to working at CRK.
Who should be flattered?
Hi Chuck,
No, I haven't held both knives side by side. I never said I did. I said they looked very much alike "from the side". Even if the Sebenzas design was Mr. Cook's idea I think it would be better, after leaving CRK, if he came up with a knife that didn't look so much like a Sebenza... from the side.
Rich
No, I haven't held both knives side by side. I never said I did. I said they looked very much alike "from the side". Even if the Sebenzas design was Mr. Cook's idea I think it would be better, after leaving CRK, if he came up with a knife that didn't look so much like a Sebenza... from the side.
Rich
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Rich,
I didn't say the sebenza was Scott's idea, just that Scott had been using the same blade shape since before working at CRK. If you do get a chance to hold both I think you would agree. Anytime we are at the same show, stop by our table and I'll let you play with my Lochsa.
I get bothered by people who discredit or discount Scott to defend the sebenza. I know a bit more of the history than most collectors so my view is different. That and a couple bucks will get you a latte.
My personal opinion is that Scott does not get the recognition he deserves. I think he is second only to the late Bob Egnath for the number of blades ground by a single person. He is a fantastic knifemaker and great guy. I feel lucky to know him.
I didn't say the sebenza was Scott's idea, just that Scott had been using the same blade shape since before working at CRK. If you do get a chance to hold both I think you would agree. Anytime we are at the same show, stop by our table and I'll let you play with my Lochsa.
I get bothered by people who discredit or discount Scott to defend the sebenza. I know a bit more of the history than most collectors so my view is different. That and a couple bucks will get you a latte.
My personal opinion is that Scott does not get the recognition he deserves. I think he is second only to the late Bob Egnath for the number of blades ground by a single person. He is a fantastic knifemaker and great guy. I feel lucky to know him.
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The Locsha is one of those knives that you truly have to hold in your hands to appreciate the engineering and workmanship that goes into making the knife. You may still think that the Locsha is not your thing, but you will never think about the Locsha the same way you did before.
I am not surprised that there is this much interest in a discussion of Scott/SK Knives and Chris/CR Knives. I believe that both operations are a model for the knife industry and they are just great people to do business with.
I am not surprised that there is this much interest in a discussion of Scott/SK Knives and Chris/CR Knives. I believe that both operations are a model for the knife industry and they are just great people to do business with.
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