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Item Name: 4-Max
Weight: 9.2 oz.
Blade Thickness: 4.5 mm
Blade Length: 4"
Handle: 6" Long G10 Desert Tan
Overall: 10"
40:60 blade to handle ratio; would not buy.
Now, if somebody gave me one that's a different story...:thumbup:
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Wish people would be consistent with their measurements..
tem Name: 4-Max
Weight: 9.2 oz.
Blade Thickness: .1771
Blade Length: 4"
Handle: 6" Long G10 Desert Tan
Overall: 10"
Not directed at you Czechmate
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Ha! So is all this talk about a 4-max vs an RAO, in a thread titled: SEBENZA
Not that I haven't counted at least a few other completely unrelated comments in either this thread or the other, so what's one more?
At any rate, there IS a thread in the Cold Steel sub forum that's asking for suggestions for the next comparison video. I suggest everyone who would like to see RAO vs (insert CS knife here), send your suggestions that way...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...S-comparison-tests-what-would-you-like-to-see
There is also a thread directly asking for the comparison:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...he-Extrema-Ratio-RAO-vs-4-Max-test-coming-out
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Don't do it, it's gonna fock it up!
just kidding go for it, my strong dad couldn't make his fold, with one hand on the blade and the other on the handle. That's all he was willing to try though, as he thinks it's fine for his purposes.Don't do it, it's gonna fock it up!
I have been a competitive powerlifter for 15 years so Im pretty strong myself, and like I said I carry my large 21 just about every day. This is one reason why I cant help but be a little disheartened by seeing this video. I surely dont abuse my knives but am sure that eventually I may generate wayyy more than 45lbs during an awkward cut, push cut etc. The lockup on my Sebenza is so darn tight though I just have such a hard time with that weight hang test..
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But if you are squeezing the knife hard as you generate greater than 45 lbs in a push cut then you are making the integral lock more secure in doing so. The video does not replicate the forces in play when a hand is using the knife.
Furthermore the forces on the blade and handles in the video are static and applied to a single point. Whereas while gripping the knife and pushing it through media the forces are dynamic and applied to the entire structure. This is in contrast to the video where the blade is in a vise and immobilized while the weight is applied to the handle.
Additionally, if you were pushing the knife through media then the forces on the blade would keep it pushed back in a safe manner just like a slipjoint.
Therefore the test of failure is not comparable to the way the knife is used. In my opinion the video does not offer evidence that would warrant the conclusion that the knife is unsafe to use in a strong push cut.
Furthermore the forces on the blade and handles in the video are static and applied to a single point. Whereas while gripping the knife and pushing it through media the forces are dynamic and applied to the entire structure. This is in contrast to the video where the blade is in a vise and immobilized while the weight is applied to the handle.
Additionally, if you were pushing the knife through media then the forces on the blade would keep it pushed back in a safe manner just like a slipjoint.
Therefore the test of failure is not comparable to the way the knife is used. In my opinion the video does not offer evidence that would warrant the conclusion that the knife is unsafe to use in a strong push cut.
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The Rajah 2 is bigger and heavier.
I have found good use for it while on hikes, when going to an area and for a duration where a huge fixed blade just didn't seem needed.
I have used it clearing a path through dense underbrush that had grown in an area I had previously built a shelter; a couple of years had gone by, and I wanted to see if it was still there (turned out to be a LOT more to cut through than I had anticipated; we'd have some record rains along the way).
And heck, the 4-Max is smaller than the Spyderco Tatanka I carry at times...it can be useful at times too.
So you see, not everyone who buys big folders is buying them to flick while watching The Expendables for the 15th time, or trying to compensate for size of genitals (has that one been mentioned yet? It always is at some point during these threads...
).Some people buy a knife because...get ready for it...they want to cut stuff with it!
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You aren't pushing down on the blade when you cut something, like that weight hang test. Only way you'd come close to that is if you jammed the blade in something very solid, then bore down on the handle. That weight hang test is like clamping a blade in a vice and doing a pull up on it. It's not at all in the direction people use a knife in when cutting as it applies force as if it comes from the dull part of the blade.
I'm still carrying and using my Insingo and have no plans to stop. While I found this test interesting, it doesn't affect how I feel about my knife. ANY knife can fail, and usually at a completely unexpected time. Even if a knife's lock doesn't fail, user error from the slightest lapse of attention can yield equally hazardous results. The worst cut I've ever gotten came when I unlocked a Tri-ad lock knife and it swung/snap closed extremely fast, badly lacerating the extensor tendon in my R. index finger; that finger obviously being in the wrong position on the knife. That was 6 months ago. I'm still working to regain the full strength of that finger/hand, and that finger's full range of motion. That cut put me out of work for 4 months (my job requires me to use my hands) and lots of physical therapy. One hundred percent my fault. but it goes to show how some designs require very careful attention during the unlocking/closing process. As a knife owner, it's sometimes easy to become cavalier about safety during opening/closing, and only thinking about the strength of the lock itself.
I've never had a knife close on me through a failure, including any slipjoints. Even if a Sebenza did unlock during use (which I've never heard of happening), it would be far less likely to slam shut with the same force as a knife with a backspring, or one that moves as loosely as, say, an Axis lock.
Jim
I've never had a knife close on me through a failure, including any slipjoints. Even if a Sebenza did unlock during use (which I've never heard of happening), it would be far less likely to slam shut with the same force as a knife with a backspring, or one that moves as loosely as, say, an Axis lock.
Jim
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Now there you go again interjecting some common sense into a highly volatile situation! Just what were you thinking?
Just passing time while I wait for the 4-MAX versus RAO test video.
Dude seriously stop. I don't want this thread locked because of useless posts that have nothing to do with the original thread. I actually want to hear peoples opinions about the test. There have been some good posts but half are just ridiculous
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CS would never post a a video or test of them losing anyway.
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Right on my point. Even if a knife outperforms theirs in any way, Demko won't add it in his propaganda catalog of videos anyway. It's just a form of advertising. Proof videos, vs tests, etc... raw video of things not going as planned we'll never see.
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Well the primary goal is to make money and they do a good job of that.
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