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Stays Sharp said:
Yeah and voila just like that with another video out, everyone is talking about CS!
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Indeed.
They have become unbearably crass, but they are getting lots of play.
And as psychological research shows, people tend to remember hearing about a person/place/product/etc., but they tend to forget in what context.
Hence, the saying "No such thing as bad publicity."
 
That's why all the butt hurt people won't make a difference, they generate more business than they lose.

Personally I don't mind it and can see a good business model and give them kudos.

Crying over the "failed" knife literally does nothing.
 
Mr. Demko I notice that you are following this thread. How about you test custom framelocks next. You know, the Jim Skelton ones.
 
Rapt_up said:
Yup didn't watch to the end... No point testing method is meaningless Further given they modify the knife right out of the box it's not 'brand new'. Like I said the flaws in the testing are so numerous as to be laughable.

If a junior engineer working for me proposed testing like this I'd make him list every flaw, and then show me how he could redesign it to fix them all. Then I'd make him do it all. And repeat every test he'd done with the new process to show how much difference it made... All on his own time....
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Exactly my thoughts! Well said sir
 
UAB89 said:
Exactly my thoughts! Well said sir
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Except he's still wrong; in the video Demko clearly pulls out a new, still sharp knife from the box and it fails as well.

You both seem to have not watched the video at all.
 
evilgreg said:
Except he's still wrong; in the video Demko clearly pulls out a new, still sharp knife from the box and it fails as well.

You both seem to have not watched the video at all.
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I'm aware of that fact if you see some of my previous post I have stated as much.. What I'm agreeing with is that the experiment was flawed from the beginning.. And besides him telling you it's new their is no proof besides it came out of a new box but he doesn't show you the knife up close.. He flicks it open like it's well well broke in.. And how do we know that he didn't augment the lock of either knife before performing the test.. We don't.. we just have to take his word for it which because he works for cold steel and is not an independent tester is null and void because he introduces bias into the experiment..
 
evilgreg said:
Except he's still wrong; in the video Demko clearly pulls out a new, still sharp knife from the box and it fails as well.

You both seem to have not watched the video at all.
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No I'm not. You have no way to know if the knife in the box is new, old, or even the same knife. And further like in the initial test where it's a new knife except he took of the lanyard, and drilled a hole.... Hmmmm... 'brand new'.... Well I'd be pissed if I bought a brand new knife some one had drilled a hole in.. I bet you would be too... That has all sorts of possible implications, to the "performance" of the knife and its lock. Not to mention the way the knife is "bolted" in the first test.

Another couple of the many flaws in the test....
 
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UAB89 said:
And how do we know that he didn't augment the lock of either knife before performing the test..
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Oh, so to clarify, you're saying that taking a second, new Sebenza out of the box in the test didn't matter because Andrew Demko is a liar and he sabotaged the Sebenza?

Give the dude a little credit. Chalk the Sebenza's SAK-like performance at lock-strength testing to CS getting a couple of lemons if you have to, but it seems wrong to go calling him a liar unless you have some evidence to support it.

Now call Mick Strider a liar if you want; his deceit has been documented and even dragged through court.
 
Rapt_up said:
No I'm not. You have no way to know if the knife in the box is new, old, or even the same knife. And further like in the initial test were it's a new knife except he took of the lanyard, and drilled a hole.... Hmmmm... 'brand new'.... Well I'd be pissed if I bought a brand new knife some one had drilled a hole in.. I bet you would be too... That has all sorts of possible implications. Another flaw in the testing..... If you can' t see this then that's fine but it ends our conversation. There's nothing to discuss.
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To quote the professor from The Waterboy: Looks like mama's wrong again!

You have proven you didn't watch the video. You can see the lanyard still attached. He also has to place the rig closer to the pivot, making it less force than on the original test knife, because he had not yet drilled a hole. He even said he didn't prepare it so it could be kept. If you're gonna argue in this thread take the, what, 15 minutes to watch the whole video.
 
ALLHSS said:
If you're gonna argue in this thread take the, what, 15 minutes to watch the whole video.
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Amen. I keep suggesting they watch the video before they dismiss it, but apparently their superior engineering knowledge makes actually seeing the test unnecessary. ;)
 
In case it helps for those who are judging without watching the test, here's a link that will jump you to the moment when, just after the first Sebenza fails at the first weight hang, AD takes out a brand new Sebenza, doesn't modify it in any way, and then conducts the test again with the same result:

[video]https://youtu.be/T4DNRn-sK-c?t=593[/video]
 
UAB89 said:
I'm aware of that fact if you see some of my previous post I have stated as much.. What I'm agreeing with is that the experiment was flawed from the beginning.. And besides him telling you it's new their is no proof besides it came out of a new box but he doesn't show you the knife up close.. He flicks it open like it's well well broke in.. And how do we know that he didn't augment the lock of either knife before performing the test.. We don't.. we just have to take his word for it which because he works for cold steel and is not an independent tester is null and void because he introduces bias into the experiment..
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Just to clarify what I said was this in case you need to read it again

evilgreg said:
Oh, so to clarify, you're saying that taking a second, new Sebenza out of the box in the test didn't matter because Andrew Demko is a liar and he sabotaged the Sebenza?

Give the dude a little credit. Chalk the Sebenza's SAK-like performance at lock-strength testing to CS getting a couple of lemons if you have to, but it seems wrong to go calling him a liar unless you have some evidence to support it.

Now call Mick Strider a liar if you want; his deceit has been documented and even dragged through court.
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I really could care less how you look at it.. But their is no proof the first or second sebenza is brand new besides his words.. And because he works for cold steel there is an inherent bias in the test itself and therefore the validity of the results and/or the method of the experiment are questionable
 
Too bad you can't even be bothered to read my post... I said the hole was drilled in the initial test...
ALLHSS said:
To quote the professor from The Waterboy: Looks like mama's wrong again!

You have proven you didn't watch the video. You can see the lanyard still attached. He also has to place the rig closer to the pivot, making it less force than on the original test knife, because he had not yet drilled a hole. He even said he didn't prepare it so it could be kept. If you're gonna argue in this thread take the, what, 15 minutes to watch the whole video.
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And yes I freely admit I didn't watch the whole video because the flaws I saw clearly demonstrate there is no value in watching the remainder.

I'm not supporting any knife or dissing any other. I'm making the point the whole test is pointless because of the flaws in methodology. In any case I have spent more time on this than its worth. LOL I'm sorry you are so personally invested in the fate and significance of such a flawed test.
 
I tried to read the whole thread buy I'm drowning in all the Sebenza tears and can't sit from all the butt-hurt
 
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Lol C'mon fellas, to even slightly hint that Demko altered the Sebenza is silly. Even the best example of a Sebenza would fail sooner than the Tri-ad lock on the Code 4, right?
 
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