sebenza's being outmatched for the value

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Jonsa said:
I am compaing the value of the product produced. What you get for what you pay. I feel there is lot more put into a hinderer product for the price point than the Sebenza.
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A lot more put into a Hinderer? How so?
Hinderer XMs don't even have blade pivot bushings or metal pivot washers. It's what you're not seeing, and not knowledgeable about that counts.
 
Moved to General Knife Discussion. If you're going to compare different companies' knives, don't do that in one company's forum.
 
Similar to BBQ Boy, I've owned both a 3.5" and 3" GEN3 XM18 and Rick does make terrific knives and are a great value if you're military, police, or first responder. However, at secondary XM18 market prices, I'd give the nod to Chris Reeve. I'm not sure which GEN XM18 the OP has but as BBQ Boy mentioned, the GEN3 XM18s had mediocre blade retention and I was always careful reaching into my pocket. If you regularly thrash your knives to open cans, car doors, or pummel bad-guys, the XM18 can take everything you dish out. But let's be fair, if you're comparing slicing ability, Chris Reeve wins hands-down.

As a former Army officer, I admire Rick's support to our military and first responders and giving priority to their purchases but the XM18 and Sebenza are completely different knives with different purposes. BTW, I think Rick made great improvements with the GEN4 XM18, here's mine ...

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I prefer the sebenza. I don't need a hard-use folder, thats what fixed-blades are for. The sebenzas tough enough to accommodate any tasks that i would assign a folder, and every time I hear that lock click into place, I'm reminded of what I've paid for.. a quality tool with unsurpassed fit and finish. I have nothing against Hinderer or Strider or any other company that promotes the hard-use abilities of folders, but if I'm entering a situation where I would need a lockbar with twice the thickness of my Sebbie, I would just use my Sar-3. Different tools for different scenarios. And some people may argue "but what if you didnt plan on entering that situation, and all you had with you is the folder?" True, that IS possible.. but then the last thing on my mind would be a concern of damaging the knife. Life or death scenario, and my sebbie would become a crowbar. lol, blasphemy, i know.. To the OP, the Sebenza is a great knife, so if your on the fence, get it+use it, I doubt you'll be dissapointed. If by some chance you are, and you still want that heavy-duty hinderer, sell the sebenza for $30 less than you paid for it and walk away enlightened. BTW, my votes for the insingo. Cheers!
 
the gen. 4 xm-18 models resolved the softer blade detent problems., the main idea of the weaker detent was it is easier to fold out under pressure or with gloves, this was not a design flaw but for a purpose.
 
I've owned both and would choose the xm 3.5" for a few hundred dollars more everyday. Worried about the detent, tighten the pivot so when you flick open you need to throw a little wrist action with it. Pivot loose or tight I have never had mine open on me in pocket though. I honestly wouldn't even put the sebenza in the same league as an xm. The xm looks and feels like a custom , the seb reminds me more of my production folders. The point crk lovers will always bring up is the fit and finish of a benza. I find the fit and finsh nicer on my xm
 
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idk, my seb takes a beating just fine. zero qualms about that knife. i prefer other knives as they slice better but the seb is a fantastic and robust knife in itself
 
The time put into machining the handle with all the contours and jimping is a lot more than on the sebbie. If you have ever worked with titanium you would know that reeve knives took an easier route, but Reeve was the originator (titanium framelock) so that does say a lot for him, but like I said I think the competition has caught up took some of his ideas and brought them further (hinderer lock) and exceeded his conservative style. Then on top of the titanium you get the g10 scale for added grip and comfort in different temps and weather, and g10 just as tough as steel to machine tool wear wise. Both Hinderers grinds, the flat ground slicer and the spanto have a lot more into them thean the easier to grind hollow that chris reeves uses. So I still feel I am overpaying for the sebenza now a days. I believe the sebenza could still be the perect folding knife but at a lower price point.
 
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^ I think they must consider Hinderers custom. Hold one in each hand and honestly tell me different
 
spydusse said:
^ I think they must consider Hinderers custom. Hold one in each hand and honestly tell me different
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They are both great folders priced just about right. With a Sebenza you get the best tolerances and quality possible in a production folder. With Hinderer you get one of the most quality rugged folders.
 
I own both and they both have there strong and weak points. My biggest problem with the XM is that they, in my experience, cannot be found for the same price. Mr. H only sells direst to law, military, emt and firefighter if I am correct. His dealers sure dont sell them for $350 that I have found. Also, I think the op needs to at least use a Sebenza before he says there is no comparision. I currently own five CRK ( all Sebenza's) and one XM (3 inch Spanto grind , Ti handle slab). All are great knives, but the Sebenza is my regular carry. I own several Striders which in comparision are around the same price. I carry them all and will probably never use any of them to their full potential.
 
does everyone own a pair of micrometers that has a sebenza because I just can't see tolerances which seems to be the last resort defense to hold this knife to its value. Hinderer is no different but its a factor that no one pays attention to because there is so much else going on with its fit and finish. If Hinderer knives were simplified so there was less to pay attention to other than the fit, finish and tolerances I believe these knives would be the same but the Hinderer would charge half the price.
 
Why prolong the inevitable? Lets just take this to W&C. Don't you guys get what you are arguing with yet? Go to the Hinderer site and read the thread about future availability of XM's for more pearls of wisdom such as this:

Jonsa said:
with the hinderer zero tolerance knives 0550 and 0561 coming out, it could make the xm-18 more available, I think bringing kershaw in helps take the work load off of Rick. I just got an xm-18 for retail so I am not afraid to scratch it up because it is well worth its retail and some, and I wouldn't get one for double because to me that turns the knife into a collectable and a non user, and that is not what this knife is built like a tank for. You use to not be a able to find strider folders before, and now they are everywhere, it all comes down to patience and time will tell.
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This is one of the best Trolling Threads I've read in a while.

I wish a knew as much about a seb as the OP before I owned my first one:eek::rolleyes:

Maybe the OP might know a Little bit more if he had at least held a seb:confused:
 
Jonsa said:
does everyone own a pair of micrometers that has a sebenza because I just can't see tolerances which seems to be the last resort defense to hold this knife to its value. Hinderer is no different but its a factor that no one pays attention to because there is so much else going on with its fit and finish. If Hinderer knives were simplified so there was less to pay attention to other than the fit, finish and tolerances I believe these knives would be the same but the Hinderer would charge half the price.
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Apples and oranges man. Sure Rick offers slicer grinds, but those are typically double the price on the secondary market, so it's really not fair to compare. The XM-18 has outstanding fit and finish, no questions there. But even with a slicer grind, the two are so different that it's hard to compare.

My XM-18 has been sitting in my safe for the better part of a year collecting dust. My Umnumzaan has been my EDC for the past 6 months.
 
Exactly

clockman said:
This is one of the best Trolling Threads I've read in a while.

I wish a knew as much about a seb as the OP before I owned my first one:eek::rolleyes:

Maybe the OP might know a Little bit more if he had at least held a seb:confused:
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