sebenza's being outmatched for the value

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I have had more Sebenza's and XM-18's than most and can honestly say they are both great knives for there intended purposes. If you get a XM from Rick it is 385.00 (production 3'' & 3.5''), there are two ways to do that when a lottery at a show or be LEO, EMT or First Responder etc. Rick has no control of what the inflated prices are, same for Reeves. I seen my fair share of Sebenza's that sold for a lot more that what people paid for them. If your willing to pay the price it will continue to happen, I know if I see a XM or CRK that I want good luck stopping me. We all should be lucky that we have theese great choices to begin with.

It took me the longest time to buy my first Sebenza but once I had it in my hand I understood why it got such a reputation for being a great knife, same with the XM. Rick's gen4's are amazing I have 2 would have been 3 but I sold one to buy a Sebenza:eek:, and i've sold Sebenza's to buy XM's:eek:. Hinderer knives and CRK are two companies who stand behind their work and for that they will always have my business.


Today I been toting around my Ti UKPK and I love it, bumped the two giants from the pocket. All hail Spyderco!!!:D
 
How can you call him a troll when he is so honest? After all, he starts off by telling us he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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This is like comparing leatherman to victorinox... use both knives for at least a month and give us your opinion then. You can't even give an opinion only having the knife such a short time.
 
Where do you get this fantastic information about materials and production processes from ?

By the way, I have worked with many different materials and have much experience with machining and production so I'll be very interested in your answer.......

Jonsa said:
The time put into machining the handle with all the contours and jimping is a lot more than on the sebbie. If you have ever worked with titanium you would know that reeve knives took an easier route, but Reeve was the originator (titanium framelock) so that does say a lot for him, but like I said I think the competition has caught up took some of his ideas and brought them further (hinderer lock) and exceeded his conservative style. Then on top of the titanium you get the g10 scale for added grip and comfort in different temps and weather, and g10 just as tough as steel to machine tool wear wise. Both Hinderers grinds, the flat ground slicer and the spanto have a lot more into them thean the easier to grind hollow that chris reeves uses. So I still feel I am overpaying for the sebenza now a days. I believe the sebenza could still be the perect folding knife but at a lower price point.
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Never driving a BMW X5, I cant understand why its more expensive than the Land Rover? I mean the Land Rover will drive through just about anything and even come with heated leather seats!
 
If you were going to start a conversation about being outmatched by value, you should have gone the route of the Bradley Alias, Spyderco Ti-Mili or other production frame locks with similar steel vs the Sebenza....but that has been done. Should we say that the ZT 302 or 0550 is a better value than the XM18 because it has the same setup of G-10/TI, S30V, 302 is assisted opening and not just a flipper so there is an edge to the 302 ;). Lets really break this open and say both are over-priced and totally not worth it because you can get another knife with almost the same qualities (if not the same) for less $!

Fact of the matter is its apples and oranges. I own both and both are worth what they cost (to me) for similar and different reasons, but to speak on it without having owned and used both leaves you sounding ignorant to this community. The small things DO make the Sebenza unique and worth more than similarly built knives, its not the tank that the XM-18 is but I actually prefer my sebbie because its more sheeple friendly, cuts better, is lighter and I'd say it would be a once in a lifetime event I'd need to use the XM-18 or Sebenza to there breaking points. Different knives with different purposes but both great quality. But this has all been said in one way or another so I probably just wasted alot of time typing this out.
 
I will never understand why people find it necessary to compare the XM-18 with a Sebenza........

They are both extremely good knives which are different in many ways. One or the other will appeal to the end user for different reasons.
Buy both and work out which one you like and sell the other (unless you want to keep both)

That was my nice answer........

Here is my other answer: STOP TROLLING.
 
Tjc591 said:
Sorry, you lost me on your comparison when you mention you have never held a sebenza.
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This, sorry. I don't have a problem with a knife being better than a sebenza, but you need equal information if you're going to compare things.
 
I only see a few ways to improve upon the Sebenza:
1) Get an Umnumzaan.
2) Use a bead blast finish rather than sand blast, maybe anodize it grey to preserve the color contrast.
3) Offer the same knife in different steels, specifically ones geared more for extreme performance(S90V, M390). Variety is the spice of life and repetition is the corned starch.

That is about the only way I can think of that my Umnumzaan can be improved upon. The ergonomics are just perfect on it. It's why I carry it more than some of my customs.
 
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Dekz said:
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Get your at least 100 year-old memes out of here. Boxxy has no place on bfc. I have to say, I think both of them cost about what I would expect. I have to agree with barrabas; value-wise the sebbie and the xm don't even register. Give me a ti-millie over both of them any day.
 
My XBox 360 is better than your Playstation 3. :rolleyes:

My Mustang is better than your Camaro. :rolleyes:

My Glock is better than your Springfield XD. :rolleyes:

My dad can beat up your dad. :rolleyes:
 
Tony8179 said:
My XBox 360 is better than your Playstation 3. :rolleyes:

My Mustang is better than your Camaro. :rolleyes:

My Glock is better than your Springfield XD. :rolleyes:

My dad can beat up your dad. :rolleyes:
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What!? My ps3 has bluray and offers free online play! Ummm I have a camaro ss so its better then your v6 mustang. Your dad could beat up my dad though ;) :D. Whoever said it be better to compare an xm to a 0551 I own both and please don't ever say that again. Zts grind in terrible ,they use bronze washer not teflon,the liner is 410 ss not ti, no choil . The biggest difference of all is the ti lock though. The xm after lots of use is as smooth as the day I got it. It truly reminds me of a custom . After less use the zt lock is springy and can be pushed over into a deeper lockup, just feels cheaper. All that said I love my 0551 but no just no to comparing to an xm. I've said it once and ill say it again the xm reminds me of customs I've handled ,the sebenza reminds me of production blades I've handled and that's the bottom line in my book
 
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Jonsa said:
Never held a sebie,............ I think............
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I suggest you think some more.................and write less..........

Very interesting that some people think one knife is better than another from handling one of the two DO NOT USE THAT ICON IN GENERAL AGAIN :confused:
 
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Never held a seb, then we get a diatribe of a totally unqualified value comparison. Where's a mod when you need one.
 
The sebenza is a much better knife. I have never held a hinderer so it must be worse. The sebenza has TWO titanium slabs while the xm18 only one. The sebenza can cut while the xm18 can only pry. Who wants a 400 dollar prybar?! It is clear the sebenza has much more value for the money as I bought one. Again how could the hinderer be good if I haven't seen one in real?
 
If I could get XM's for the same prices as Sebenzas, I'd probably have a few. They are great, albeit different, knives that suit different audiences. To extoll the virtues of one without having any experience with the other is pointless and fatuous.
 
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Lets see where the Hinderer is in 20 years.....waaaay after the koolaid drinkers are done suffering the effects of a sugar overdose.
 
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