self-defense folder?

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migo said:
Put here to do above and beyond anything else? Are you for real? And do you lack reading skills? Soldiers can't reliably stab their enemy, what on earth makes you think if someone who's been conditioned not to value human life still can't do it that any situation would change that?

People who bring up the "what about your child/wife/girlfriend/mother is there" argument are people who are looking for an excuse to fight. If you're looking for an excuse to stab someone, you probably are a latent psychopath.
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I'm not going to argue with you, as we clearly don't see things the same way.

I was assuming you understood is that there is a reason an average male is stronger, has more muscle mass and tends to be more instinctually aggressive than the average female.

Simple genetics friend.

I wish you the best of luck.

Taylor

P.S. - Per your question about my reading skills: I read and comprehend things pretty well. Especially what's written between the lines.
 
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Migo, you have some strange thinking and a very disrespectful way of communicating. I hate b.s. claims such as soldiers can't reliably stab their enemies also. People repeat crap enough and others take it as fact.

You are making it obvious that you don't know what you are talking about and you have no experience with the subject at hand.
 
OrdnanceBubbaUSMC said:
Migo, you have some strange thinking and a very disrespectful way of communicating. I hate b.s. claims such as soldiers can't reliably stab their enemies also. People repeat crap enough and others take it as fact.

You are making it obvious that you don't know what you are talking about and you have no experience with the subject at hand.
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I concur, if my life or more importantly my family is in danger I'm going with my animal instincts and going ape shit on someone :D

Of course on duty and in uniform I have to take steps up the level of force, but off duty and in plain clothes it's you against me and I'm going home at the end of the day.

There's nothing wrong with having another option for self defense. A descent folder that will open easily under stress, won't easily close on your fingers, and can double as an impact device is better than just your bare hands.
 
I handled a detail where a guy had opened his Buck 110, cut one person and stabbed another while several people were beating him with his own patio furniture. Run what ya brung I guess.
 
I would never use a folder for self defense, probably because I’ve always carried a fixed blade; I have had to use mi knife in a self defense situation on a few occasions, speed and muscle memory are very important, and that comes whit proper training. Maybe if I would have trained whit a folder from the beginning.
 
I gotta agree with glockman and say a 6" Ti-Lite. Also the Espada is a great choice as well. But if it didn't have to be a folder i would choose a Swamp Rat Waki :)
 
About taking a knife away from an assailant.I'm writing a training manual on the subject.
If you have a DETEMINED[attacker with a knife(not a knife waiver) you are probably going to get cut or worse if you are trained?iIf not G-d help you.
As to the op any 4"+ strong lock. I carry Endura,Mil or for legal reasons a Terzuola
slipit.
 
Spyderco endura or a byrd cara cara,nothing fancy just KISS, and lots of practice.And unlike a lot of the respondents I've been on both sides of the blade and got my scars, but I LOVE how some people make judgements without having been in such situations.
And psychopath?Really?So throughout history most people on earth who relied on edged weapons were psychopaths?Or perhaps they couldn't really cut or stab their enemy,so they just waved their swords and axes etc, and the enemy wet themselves and ran away?
GET REAL!!!!!!
People who use weapons to protect themselves are NOT psycopaths.Just normal people who look at world as it is , and always has been.And they've taken the responsiblity to protect themselves and their loved ones as a duty not a pleasure as some here have implied/stated.
Sorry for going on, but I take the implication of my being a PSYCHOPATH because I have used a blade to defend myself , as very bloody offensive.
Ron
RP 703
 
CRKT Hissatsu folder,Emerson horsemen or Persian tactical. I prefer Persian style blades, if they are designed correctly (with tip in center line) because it's effective at both slashing and stabbing. But the best.
imo for a non experienced individual, is the warnclif because wen instinct takes over people tend to just wildly swing without purpose. And a warny is a good slicer.
 
penetrator said:
Oh, is it? Ask these guys:

http://www.wbaltv.com/r/23753678/detail.html

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...4/same_house.ART_ART_02-14-08_A1_T09BR07.html

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/dont_stab_me_teen_pleaded_outs.html

Fact: if the other guy is bigger/stronger than you and knows you have a knife (i.e. you were brandishing it trying to scare him off), there's a chance he'll take it from you. If there are multiple attackers, there's an even better chance.

But hey, far be it from me to argue with the internet tough guys ... :jerkit:
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Try to remember your above scenario. I linked for you some examples to the contrary. This is me not agreeing with your point, but showing the opposite.

Weapons are dangerous, and if you arm yourself with the weapon but not the will to use it, then it is useless. If you arm yourself with the weapon but have no understanding of its use/potential, then you can injure yourself or have it taken by someone more easily. It has little to do with how big or small someone is.

You do not understand the principle of carrying a blade for SD and are just being disagreeable. Forgive me for trying to give you some OT insight.

I carry a large knife, not for ego or psychosis. It is little different than the discipline of a gun owner, but less understood. I just want to live a peaceful life and have the means to protect myself and my family if required.

To anyone like the OP who wants a recommendation on hardware, the longer the blade, the longer the reach, the better your chances. That is all. I suggested XL Espada first, I see most guys here don't carry that large, these would be the next suitable alternatives in the folding variety. 6" and 5.5" respectively.

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Batons, pepper spray, they all have their place, but the question is related to blades, not the alternatives.
 
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GrinderMcgee said:
Try to remember your above scenario. I linked for you some examples to the contrary. This is me not agreeing with your point, but showing the opposite.

Weapons are dangerous, and if you arm yourself with the weapon but not the will to use it, then it is useless. If you arm yourself with the weapon but have no understanding of its use/potential, then you can injure yourself or have it taken by someone more easily. It has little to do with how big or small someone is.

You do not understand the principle of carrying a blade for SD and are just being disagreeable. Forgive me for trying to give you some OT insight.

I carry a large knife, not for ego or psychosis. It is little different than the discipline of a gun owner, but less understood. I just want to live a peaceful life and have the means to protect myself and my family if required.

To anyone like the OP who wants a recommendation on hardware, the longer the blade, the longer the reach, the better your chances. That is all. I suggested XL Espada first, I see most guys here don't carry that large, these would be the next suitable alternatives in the folding variety. 6" and 5.5" respectively.

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Batons, pepper spray, they all have their place, but the question is related to blades, not the alternatives.
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Very well said grinder. Some truly disagree with using folders for SD and some are merely being disagreeable. :p
 
Enough of the antics.

The OP asked a question. Rather than drag all the b.s. into this thread. Focus on the question and provide the answer.

If that can not be done stay out of the thread. We all have personal thoughts on using a knife for self defense. As far as I am concerned few of us here, if any have the experience of doing so.
 
Bastid said:
Enough of the antics.

The OP asked a question. Rather than drag all the b.s. into this thread. Focus on the question and provide the answer.

If that can not be done stay out of the thread. We all have personal thoughts on using a knife for self defense. As far as I am concerned few of us here, if any have the experience of doing so.
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Thank you Bastid.
 
First off... about the hammer rig... I seldom wear it... less outside the house... maybe while walking my dog. Did it for feces and laughs.

An SD folder must be waved. The pocket clip must be L/R and must be mounted in a way to allow a good waving grip. This means at least 1.5" or so exposed handle while in the pocket. A lanyard is also a must. It gives more gripping points of contact when wave drawing. I prefer at least a 3.5" blade with a max of 5" for comfy carry... I carry a 4.5" total. I like shiny blades. I have drawn a shiny waved folder on aggressives with successful non violent resolution. There is a real psych effect.

Bottom line is carry the best you can. Train constantly with the "genre" of knives you carry for SD. Don't be afraid to carry the maxx the law allows regardless of emotional opinion. If you fear for your life, don't be afraid to (for example) strap on that ball peen hammer or carry that Glock with no serial number.

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Lycosa said:
Matt- Nice job... you gangsta. :D
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You know it. I be smokin my ports to the filter... Spittin game like it's Skoal to the gutter... Bad guys shudder... 154CM cuts like butter...
 
just observing this thread and have a couple things i think are true from what ive read so far and also my own experiance in carrying a knife daily for edc utility and with some regard to defensive use. First thing i think is that you cant predict when a circumstance will arise that you would need to use the knife. With that in mind i think your going to be stuck with your edc knife regardless. Most probubly carry a lighter knife for edc and I doubt many carry a 5-6" folder for edc as they are just heavy and not suited to normal edc use, so might be likely that your looking for trouble when you carry your large blade knife. Might be true that those looking for trouble may find it more often than those who dont. regarding a knife choice i wont knock someones choosing a large knife in a hypothetical exercise but for actual carry every day something more reasonable in size and weight would be carried more often and maybe every day.
I like the spyderco police3 for a well rounded defensive tactical folder. in that its capable with good reach, slim and relative light weight and strong lockup. like the fact that its handle is long enough for non lethal impact use. id think it could cover edc use though not ideal for it. there are many knives in the 3.5" to 4.5" range that could work in the role of the protector. i think when you start to get to 3" or less of a blade the intimidation factor starts to dissapear.
anyway i think this is a hypothetical exercise and will continue to carry my 3" sage. if i hear a strange noise in the middle of the nite i grab my baseball bat as i make my way to the gunsafe, lol. last thing i think of is which knife to grab.
 
Bastid said:
Enough of the antics.

The OP asked a question. Rather than drag all the b.s. into this thread. Focus on the question and provide the answer.

If that can not be done stay out of the thread. We all have personal thoughts on using a knife for self defense. As far as I am concerned few of us here, if any have the experience of doing so.
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Thanks you. I've made four post saying the same thing, but it doesn't seem to matter. I even emailed the mod to get it back on course, but he failed to respond. It isn't that hard to make a seperate post to air your thoughts on using a knife for self defense. This isn't the place for it.
 
mdsmith said:
Thanks you. I've made four post saying the same thing, but it doesn't seem to matter. I even emailed the mod to get it back on course, but he failed to respond. It isn't that hard to make a seperate post to air your thoughts on using a knife for self defense. This isn't the place for it.
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Has it been your experience that the mods will step in on such a simple thing as OT posts that aren't offensive, at least to most?

There's another thing: there are a lot of folks who won't read an entire thread, whether due to a lack of time or interest, but may find something in a particular post that they wish to answer. Sometimes the mods will step in, but this thread probably isn't one of them.

FWIW, I think a previous post about what one EDCs is probably the one that will be needed in an SD situation. And since the OP asked about which folder would be best for that, it occurs to me that a folder that looks like one of grandpa's knives, or an updated version of it, is more likely to be carried and not considered by an LEO to be a concealed weapon. So, with that in mind, and always staying under the legal length limit (if there is one, and in any large city, there probably is) a knife that will double nicely for SD seems to be in order. One that comes to mind is the CRKT Ripple... or maybe a Benchmade Apparition 670... or something under a 2.5" blade limit (Chicago's legal limit for carrying) like a Kershaw Scallion. Granted these knives (with the exception of the BM 670) don't have a high intimidation factor (HIF) they will definitely serve you well, and look relatively benign.
 
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