self-defense folder?

[Planterz]

I like mace for self defense.

But sometimes I'll switch things up and go with a morning star.

 

[GrinderMcgee]

Grinder, did you realize in all the articles you posted, all the knife wielders were stabbed with their own knives?

Anyway, I'm not arguing you should be unarmed at all. All I'm saying is that there are more effective weapons for defending against an assault. Handgun, mace/pepper spray, baton are all more effective and safer to use, while allowing one to keep more distance than with a knife.

I like knives. I carry a 3 inch neck knife wherever it's legal. Would I use it to defend myself if I had nothing else? Hell yeah. But I'd sooner grab a chair or a stick or anything else that will give me more reach than a knife.

Yes, all of the stories were the attackers being disarmed and stabbed with their own knives. Just a counter point to your notion that a defender would get stabbed by his. Did you read the one about the 65 year old woman who snatched the knife away from a 41 year old male home invader and stabbed him up?

Also, as has been stated multiple times, a baton or pepper spray is SD weapon only. Knives are tools for work as well as defense. You are scared of knives, I get it, but you are skipping knife in the hierarchy of weapons. Any weapon can be turned on its weilder, a gun or stick is not magic in that sense, and pepper spray can fog a whole room, including the user.

 

[penetrator]

Yes, all of the stories were the attackers being disarmed and stabbed with their own knives. Just a counter point to your notion that a defender would get stabbed by his. Did you read the one about the 65 year old woman who snatched the knife away from a 41 year old male home invader and stabbed him up?

Well, thanks for proving my point. They all had a knife and still lost the fight. Logic isn't your strong side, huh? BTW, that woman was 73 and the guy was 49. Bad short term memory too? I'd make an appointment with a neurologist if I were you.

Also, as has been stated multiple times, [...] pepper spray is SD weapon only.

Ah, see, now that's where you're wrong. You can also use it for hilarious pranks, like spraying it on the TP in the executive bathroom. Or for seasoning your food. Anywho, if you carry a utility blade and a can of pepper spray, the total weight will still be less than that of a 6" folder.

Knives are tools for work as well as defense. You are scared of knives, I get it

OK, now that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I'm scared ... of my own knife? Why would I carry one then? Guess I just like giving myself a good scare every now and then. Oooh, wait, let me pull it out. Goosebumps!

Any weapon can be turned on its weilder, a gun or stick is not magic in that sense, and pepper spray can fog a whole room, including the user.

True. Your point? Remember, my argument was that, for defense, the other weapons are more effective than a knife.

Some people really need to stop looking at life through Lynn Thompson goggles.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

Can we somehow get back on topic? Take a look @ Jim Wagner's reality based knife, you may not ultimately get 1 but it may give you some ideas.

 

[stabman]

Well, thanks for proving my point. They all had a knife and still lost the fight.

Here's one from Windsor (no links; look it up yourself...it's easy).
Two guys who previously had bad words got in fight in parking lot of Leopard's Lounge (strip club on Wyandotte street).
Guy number one pulls knife, swings once, stabbing guy number two in the chest.
Guy number two staggers over to his buddies who hand HIM a knife, but he falls over dead before he could do anything (case still in trial at this point).

Or, going back a few years, two jocks punch skinny guy outside a Wendy's(also in Windsor). Skinny guy runs home, grabs medium sized kitchen knife, and returns while the jocks are in their car at drive-through.
Skinny guy stabs one of the jocks through the open window; knife goes through aorta...one dead jock.

Guess those dead guys should have read all the "wisdom" on the internet; then they'd know how easy it is to disarm people.

You people with your fantasies of disarming knife wielding maniacs are living in la la land.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

ok f' it / a knife in the hands of a determined person is practically undefendable.
ask someone who knows / dont just take my word for it / go ahead blockhead...

next.

 

[CL01]

Well, I can't say I understand having a knife (Folding or fixed) as a primary SD weapon, but I can see it as a secondary or last ditch weapon. For me, it's for weapon retention (I CC a handgun). However, I use a FB for that task (Weakside), not the folder.

 

[migo]

The biggest problem with a knife as a defensive weapon is you have to be a bit of a latent psychopath to actually stab someone with it. Even soldiers which are heavily conditioned to not value the lives of their opponents aren't always able to stab someone up close with a bayonet. Is the average joe going to be able to? There's no way of knowing until you're in that situation and are forced to go for it. I'd rather not rely on something that has a good chance of being screwed up by my conscience.

 

[cziv]

Rajah 2

Spyderco Military

Spyderco Civilian (wish I could find one )

 

[Dorito Monk]

I like mace for self defense.

Hahahaha...oh, man...Well played.

 

[stabman]

The biggest problem with a knife as a defensive weapon is you have to be a bit of a latent psychopath to actually stab someone with it. I'd rather not rely on something that has a good chance of being screwed up by my conscience.

Well, I guess there needs to be some victims around.

 

[CWL]

Spyderco Civilian (wish I could find one )

Huh? Have you tried online? You can get them for $151.36 shipped...

 

[LifeBlade.net]

The biggest problem with a knife as a defensive weapon is you have to be a bit of a latent psychopath to actually stab someone with it. Even soldiers which are heavily conditioned to not value the lives of their opponents aren't always able to stab someone up close with a bayonet. Is the average joe going to be able to? There's no way of knowing until you're in that situation and are forced to go for it. I'd rather not rely on something that has a good chance of being screwed up by my conscience.

What if your mother is right behind you?

Your wife/girlfriend?

How about your child? Where's your conscience then?

Will you still require "a bit of latent psychopath(y) to actually stab someone", or will you tune in to your prime directive as a male and do what you were put here to do, above and beyond anything else?


Taylor

 

[migo]

What if your mother is right behind you?

Your wife/girlfriend?

How about your child? Where's your conscience then?

Will you still require "a bit of latent psychopath(y) to actually stab someone", or will you tune in to your prime directive as a male and do what you were put here to do, above and beyond anything else?


Taylor

Put here to do above and beyond anything else? Are you for real? And do you lack reading skills? Soldiers can't reliably stab their enemy, what on earth makes you think if someone who's been conditioned not to value human life still can't do it that any situation would change that?

People who bring up the "what about your child/wife/girlfriend/mother is there" argument are people who are looking for an excuse to fight. If you're looking for an excuse to stab someone, you probably are a latent psychopath.

 

[stabman]

If you're looking for an excuse to stab someone, you probably are a latent psychopath.

Can't argue against that.
What studies show that "conditioned soldiers" cannot stab people though, seeing as they practically NEVER have to stab anyone?
Are you extrapolating from the studies about shooting at the enemy?

 

[Ankerson]

Can't argue against that.
What studies show that "conditioned soldiers" cannot stab people though, seeing as they practically NEVER have to stab anyone?
Are you extrapolating from the studies about shooting at the enemy?

I think what he was getting at really was that nobody really knows what they would do in a given situation until they are forced into it.

There isn't really anyway to really know for sure.

 

[mjolnir74]

To answer the original post, I think I'd like to have a spyderco military. It's pointy, sharp and the blade is plenty big.

 

[migo]

Can't argue against that.
What studies show that "conditioned soldiers" cannot stab people though, seeing as they practically NEVER have to stab anyone?
Are you extrapolating from the studies about shooting at the enemy?

I'd have to go digging through all the stuff I was reading up on back when I was obsessed with RBSD and got paranoid every time I stepped into an elevator with two sets of buttons because I couldn't insert myself between them and anyone else who might want to stop the elevator and then assault me... yeah, that kind of RBSD. I'm pretty sure it was that the closer you get to the person the harder it is to kill them, and stabbing someone is a very "personal" act, compounding with the difficulty of doing it at close range. I didn't do too much fact checking on it given it matches up with my experience in being able to punch or kick people hard. If I miss the focus mits and hit someone in the head instead it's pretty solid, but if I'm actually aiming for the head and it's hard sparring my partners keep telling me to hit harder as otherwise the training isn't realistic for them. If I've got a mental block keeping me from hitting someone hard, I probably have the same thing when it comes to stabbing, and I could definitely see some other people who happen to be infantry having similar problems on the battlefield.

 

[migo]

I think what he was getting at really was that nobody really knows what they would do in a given situation until they are forced into it.

There isn't really anyway to really know for sure.

Yeah, you said it much better than I did.

 

[cziv]

Huh? Have you tried online? You can get them for $151.36 shipped...

I checked a few weeks ago and I would have sworn they were out of stock :foot:

Thanks, I'd like one or an Emerson folding Karambit - they're too pricey for me as compared to the Spyderco Civi.