self-defense folder?

[singularity35]

That said, "cheap" folders might "work" but it seems to me that a quality built folder will do a very serviceable, consistent job.

I have a chinese knockoff that I carried for the duration of the gun and "dangerous weapons" ban here(in case cops are gonna steal what I'm carrying). I've got it pretty sharp, and solid too. Since the ban was lifted, I no longer carry that. I carry my chinook 3 because I trust it more than the KO. The KO would probably "work" but I bought my chinook to use and carry. OTOH, the chinook might not be "expensive" compared to some other knives in your collections.

 

[Folderguy]

I have a chinese knockoff that I carried for the duration of the gun and "dangerous weapons" ban here(in case cops are gonna steal what I'm carrying). I've got it pretty sharp, and solid too. Since the ban was lifted, I no longer carry that. I carry my chinook 3 because I trust it more than the KO. The KO would probably "work" but I bought my chinook to use and carry. OTOH, the chinook might not be "expensive" compared to some other knives in your collections.

I have a few "cheap" folders, that are quite alright. 4 of the Sanremu sort... and others.

I'm not biased against the "cheaper" stuff; that said, I think the quality of lock is one of the most important factors to consider. If a specific lock seems likely to fail, it's not going to be in my list of "go-to" knives....


What's a good test for a specific knife's lock? A spine whack, delivered forcefully... how many? That's for someone to decide...

 

[ceriouz]

Why in the name of SD does everyone seem to assume they'll get their Segal/Under Siege moment to go toe to toe with an assailant? The first weapon defensively or assertively would be the brain. Mine tells me that if i decided against running for logistical reasons or lack of immediate escape route (or if caught unaware) I wouldn't want to advertise that I'm prepared to defend myself. Let them remain confident, let them get close enough to attempt their intended nefarious act and then let them experience pain in the most vulnerable place I can reach. Follow that with a knee or a double fisted 'get them to the ground and off of me' move and resume the pursuit of distance and safety.
Also I agree with others above. The only demographic I can imagine buying a knife with only SD use in mind is women. Most knife owners buy them for EDC day to day use but might like to know they are capable in SD if need arises and hopefully they know how to use them.
If I let my imagination run along the SD scenario my Spydie Chokwe seems most ideal. Its light, strong, efficient and opens without a thought. Or my Mr. Mug is small, sharp and honestly opens just as fast as a Halo V.

 

[singularity35]

Why in the name of SD does everyone seem to assume they'll get their Segal/Under Siege moment to go toe to toe with an assailant? The first weapon defensively or assertively would be the brain. Mine tells me that if i decided against running for logistical reasons or lack of immediate escape route (or if caught unaware) I wouldn't want to advertise that I'm prepared to defend myself. Let them remain confident, let them get close enough to attempt their intended nefarious act and then let them experience pain in the most vulnerable place I can reach. Follow that with a knee or a double fisted 'get them to the ground and off of me' move and resume the pursuit of distance and safety.
Also I agree with others above. The only demographic I can imagine buying a knife with only SD use in mind is women. Most knife owners buy them for EDC day to day use but might like to know they are capable in SD if need arises and hopefully they know how to use them.
If I let my imagination run along the SD scenario my Spydie Chokwe seems most ideal. Its light, strong, efficient and opens without a thought. Or my Mr. Mug is small, sharp and honestly opens just as fast as a Halo V.

Why does a post like this also almost invariably come up in a "knife for SD" thread?

We are talking about knives here.

You're first question should make a good new thread if you make one.

 

[ceriouz]

??"We are talking about knives here."??

So are we only allowed to post "stab em till you're blue then stab em again" sentiments? Or maybe the average knife carrier feels confident enough to go around "knife boxing" as defense..
It's not a party if it happens every night, if you shake it more than three times you're playing with yourself and it's not defense if you just keep stabbing them. I say stab/slice them once, make sure it hurts, then get the pluck out of Dodge.. No need to get into a knife fight and then have to try to tell the judge "I was just defending myself, sure I cut him 20 times but he kept bleeding at me!"

 

[singularity35]

??"We are talking about knives here."??

So are we only allowed to post "stab em till you're blue then stab em again" sentiments? Or maybe the average knife carrier feels confident enough to go around "knife boxing" as defense..
It's not a party if it happens every night, if you shake it more than three times you're playing with yourself and it's not defense if you just keep stabbing them. I say stab/slice them once, make sure it hurts, then get the pluck out of Dodge.. No need to get into a knife fight and then have to try to tell the judge "I was just defending myself, sure I cut him 20 times but he kept bleeding at me!"

Well your sentiments have been expressed over and over(beating a dead horse?) and if you don't mind we of the SD persuasion like to be prepared even as we hope that the necessity never comes. The OP was asking about a knife suitable for SD and if you think about it, the sentiments that you expressed are OT.

 

[allballs]

Spyderco Military

 

[penetrator]

This is the best thread I've read all week. Remember, the bad guy will take your knife away and kill you with it. LOL! priceless.

Oh, is it? Ask these guys:

http://www.wbaltv.com/r/23753678/detail.html

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...4/same_house.ART_ART_02-14-08_A1_T09BR07.html

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/dont_stab_me_teen_pleaded_outs.html

Fact: if the other guy is bigger/stronger than you and knows you have a knife (i.e. you were brandishing it trying to scare him off), there's a chance he'll take it from you. If there are multiple attackers, there's an even better chance.

But hey, far be it from me to argue with the internet tough guys ... :jerkit:

 

[allballs]

I don't understand all the statements that are against knives for self defense, I can't think of any situation I wouldn't want to have a knife as an option, for defending yourself you want all the options you can possibly have, a gun for example does not guarantee anything and only gives you more options to defend yourself than not having one, for everyone that decided to recommend a gun instead of a good SD blade is limiting all their options, carry both if you can and give yourself the most options, a knife is also perfect for gun retention, I would recommend the Spyderco Military for a great SD knife, stay safe

 

[singularity35]

Oh, is it? Ask these guys:

http://www.wbaltv.com/r/23753678/detail.html

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...4/same_house.ART_ART_02-14-08_A1_T09BR07.html

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/dont_stab_me_teen_pleaded_outs.html

Fact: if the other guy is bigger/stronger than you and knows you have a knife (i.e. you were brandishing it trying to scare him off), there's a chance he'll take it from you. If there are multiple attackers, there's an even better chance.

But hey, far be it from me to argue with the internet tough guys ... :jerkit:

Oh that makes it all right then, we'll just have to take the bad guy's knife away from him. I guess if it were up to you, and you really had to fight, you'd rather fight the guy with a knife, than one without?

And oh yeh, 19 posts and already you're using the jerkit. Way to go!

 

[BryFry]

Hey, look how off topic we've gotten, imagine that! ....Myself included. haha..

No offence to anyone, but I have to dissagree with the type of broad generalizations some people make that are something to the effect of:
THAT NEVER happens in a REAL fight/attack. THIS is how it'll go down in real life. or, ...You should always just do THIS or just carry THAT weapon, because I say it's better than a knife.

The problem with this mentality is that in real life just about anything can and does happen. Fights and attacks are often chaos, the only thing you can realy count on to expect IS the unexpected. You don't really know the other guys motivations, skill level, or lack there of.

There are many sound reasons why some people would choose to EDC a good knife rather than a gun/tazer/spray/bat/flamethrower or whatever. Knives are generally small, legal, easy to carry, easy to use, and useful for far more than JUST SD, so you are more likely to have one on you when you need it.

And sure we all know that a knife is not the end all be all answear to anything, but there are many, many SD situations where one would be very useful.

Like others have pointed out, it's just another option to add to your repertoire of deffensive choices. ...IMHO

 

[mordi]

I would prefer using knives to attack rather than defend .Or attack while defending.
Endura ,Mill or evenTerzuola slipit (legal in my area)

 

[Planterz]

The best self defense tools are common sense, situational awareness, and shoes you can run in. Cell phones are pretty handy too, especially ones with cameras.

 

[singularity35]

i realize this is a touchy subject... and i also fully comprehend that knives arent exactly the best self-defense weapons... but this is a topic that has always interested me on some level. hypothetically speaking, if you ever needed to employ a folder in a self-defense scenerio, which folder would you choose, and why?

The best self defense tools are common sense, situational awareness, and shoes you can run in. Cell phones are pretty handy too, especially ones with cameras.

I think the OP wanted to know our preferred knife for SD, not the best tools.


This thread is on the fast track to prac tac....

 

[GrinderMcgee]

Fact: if the other guy is bigger/stronger than you and knows you have a knife (i.e. you were brandishing it trying to scare him off), there's a chance he'll take it from you. If there are multiple attackers, there's an even better chance.

But hey, far be it from me to argue with the internet tough guys ... :jerkit:

Fact: I can use google too, see?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084524/Shopkeeper-stabbed-armed-robber-death-knife-self-defence.html

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9D05E3DE1239E133A25750C0A9679C946395D6CF

http://www.gossiprocks.com/forum/news/96495-man-defends-self-kills-attacker-father-attacker-wants-somebody-pay-snort.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10451307

Better to be armed and defend than bare ass and fingers crossed.

 

[mdsmith]

It's pretty much pointless to try to post a question like the op on this forum. It seems no one can pass up a chance to get on their soap box and preech about why a knife is/ isn't a good choice. Does anyone actually read the original question to see what this thread is about ???? It's NOT about your opinion on how to handle a self defense senario. It IS about which knife you would chose for such a situation IF you would consider using one. If you wouldn't, this thread doesn't pertain to you at all, go start your own thread. Where is the mods when you need em?

 

[Lycosa]

Esav is all gaa-gaa over the new ZT Tanto and can't focus yet.
:yawn:

 

[penetrator]

Grinder, did you realize in all the articles you posted, all the knife wielders were stabbed with their own knives?

Anyway, I'm not arguing you should be unarmed at all. All I'm saying is that there are more effective weapons for defending against an assault. Handgun, mace/pepper spray, baton are all more effective and safer to use, while allowing one to keep more distance than with a knife.

I like knives. I carry a 3 inch neck knife wherever it's legal. Would I use it to defend myself if I had nothing else? Hell yeah. But I'd sooner grab a chair or a stick or anything else that will give me more reach than a knife.

 

[singularity35]

Grinder, did you realize in all the articles you posted, all the knife wielders were stabbed with their own knives?

Anyway, I'm not arguing you should be unarmed at all. All I'm saying is that there are more effective weapons for defending against an assault. Handgun, mace/pepper spray, baton are all more effective and safer to use, while allowing one to keep more distance than with a knife.

I like knives. I carry a 3 inch neck knife wherever it's legal. Would I use it to defend myself if I had nothing else? Hell yeah. But I'd sooner grab a chair or a stick or anything else that will give me more reach than a knife.

If you had read the previous posts, you would know that pretty much everybody knows that there are better defensive options than a folding knife. Even the OP put that in his OP.

Now the question that the OP posted was if you absolutely had to use a folder for defense, what would you use and why?

 

[BryFry]

Grinder, did you realize in all the articles you posted, all the knife wielders were stabbed with their own knives?

Anyway, I'm not arguing you should be unarmed at all. All I'm saying is that there are more effective weapons for defending against an assault. Handgun, , baton are all more effective and safer to use, while allowing one to keep more distance than with a knife.

I like knives. I carry a 3 inch neck knife wherever it's legal. Would I use it to defend myself if I had nothing else? Hell yeah. But I'd sooner grab a chair or a stick or anything else that will give me more reach than a knife.

Well, you use what you think will work for you. But I would point out that:

-Not everyone can own/carry/afford a gun

-batons are not legal to carry in a lot of cities, and they can be taken away and used against you even more easily than a knife.

-mace/pepper spray I think is a good complimentary item to be used in conjunction with a knife, but I hate to have to rely souly on it, since it is not very effective on some people.

-hoping that there will always be a chair/chain/stick/rock at hand when you need it sounds like wishfull thinking to me.

-also, all the items you mention are single purpose tools that you will likely never get any use out of if you are NOT attacked, meaning that most people would be less diligent about keeping one of those tools on them at all times, the way most of us keep a knife handy at all times.