Bad Seller Jasmar0331 tried to changed item price in PM

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Tazz-ab said:
He changed the price and wanted funds for shipping on top of it. Please read the posts, it had nothing to do with extra shipping costs.
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Yes but he seems to have stated why, he owns the knife and can do whatever he wants with it, and he can sell to whomever he likes, for whatever price he sets, for whatever reasons he sets it.

I am sure of one thing though, both of you are behaving somewhat childishly for a knife deal that never happened.

It is his knife and his sale, until he takes reciept of funds. He seems to have communicated fairly clearly that he was only willing to sell it CONUS only for the reduced price. I would have moved on if I were in your position and if I were in his i just would have told you CONUS sales only and left it at that.

IMO this could have been handled better by both of you guys across the board.
 
Its only slander if it’s not true.....which it is. I agree let the mods look at the complete conversation. I am sick of people trying to scam or cheat extra funds from people.
 
Tazz-ab said:
Its only slander if it’s not true.....which it is. I agree let the mods look at the complete conversation. I am sick of people trying to scam or cheat extra funds from people.
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It isn’t true because he didn’t scam you. He seems to have stated that he would not sell it outside of the US for the reduced price, and you should have simply moved on.

Now you have created more work for the mods who have a difficult enough job as it is, scuttled both your reputations with the infantile behavior, and created a post that will come up whenever either of your names are searched here.

You seem to have shot yourself in the foot because the seller can deal with whoever he wishes. It is his knife until money changes hands. In no way, shape or form were you scammed by this member on this deal. Period.
 
Of course he can but last I checked in the rules he is not allowed to then changed the price of the item. Shipping costs to ship to Canada are of course additional, but he can’t then changed the price from the posting. The rules seem clear.
 
I fail to see how clearly stating the price is a scam of any sort, whether or not it didn't match the price in the thread.

Buyer PM's asking to negotiate on something beyond the scope of the sales post. Seller negotiates agreeing if at a higher price. Buyer doesn't agree to the seller's terms.

Scam means there's been some sort of deception. There was no deception here. Negotiation was started, and terms laid out. Parties didn't agree. The end.


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Tazz-ab said:
he can’t then changed the price from the posting. The rules seem clear.
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Where is this in the rules?
 
kreole said:
I fail to see how clearly stating the price is a scam of any sort, whether or not it didn't match the price in the thread.

Buyer PM's asking to negotiate on something beyond the scope of the sales post. Seller negotiates agreeing if at a higher price. Buyer doesn't agree to the seller's terms.

Scam means there's been some sort of deception. There was no deception here. Negotiation was started, and terms laid out. Parties didn't agree. The end.


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Where is this in the rules?
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Nowhere, at least in the 18 years i have been here. In fact it happens every time someone lowers the price of a knife. Lol
 
This is really a non-event.... Seller Stated a Price for the knife for US sales only.

Potential Buyer (no $s exchanged so you are not yet a Buyer) asked for a variation of the terms of sale offered (shipped to Canada).

Seller agreed to accommodate the request but stated his terms for doing so (additional costs - be they postage, inconvenience money, personal insurance etc - it really matters not but they were his terms) at this point the Potential Buyer should have i) accepted the terms or ii) declined (disappointed perhaps but out nothing but a few words of type).

Both parties to this could have just moved on. While you may or may not agree with the sellers terms they are his/her's to set. No money had changed hands, no actual agreements were made. There is no scamming nor any other malicious act.

I all too well understand the frustrations of being an international buyer and would have had a long look at the sellers terms myself. But not because they are a scammer, only if the knife was still worth that to me. A cost of doing business from overseas.
 
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Tazz-ab said:
Last I checked sellers were not allowed to changed the cost of an item
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..... they can and do right up until the point BOTH parties have made an agreement, you asked for a change in the terms of the sale, he accommodated this with a price increase (well returning it to the non-discounted price he had already stated). Nothing was yet agreed between you.
 
Oh and to be clear I invited a MODERATOR (Rycen ) into the conversation to mediate NOT THE KNIFE MAKER.
 
Oh for crying out loud! :rolleyes: This whole thing is moronic nonsense! Neither of you should have left negative feedback as no deal ever took place. That's an infraction-able offense here, FYI. I'm sure the mods will deal with both of you accordingly, and as penance, you might both get to keep those negative feedbacks for your trouble. lol o_O
 
I read through the PMs and this all could’ve been avoided by passing on the sale when the price changed. It’s not something I would’ve done but I guess the extra was the inconvenience of the international paperwork. In any case it really doesn’t matter as you could’ve just simply passed.

As for the feedback I suggest you both read through the rules particularly section 4

https://www.bladeforums.com/help/exchange-rules/
 
Thanks MOD.. #4 has been read in its entirety, and i still stand by what i said and did. The only thing i retract is giving a negative feedback comment after he did. I felt i had to defend myself as best i could. Thanks for your time dealing with this juvenile matter..

Respectfully,
J
Semper Fidelis
 
craytab said:
Tazz-ab Tazz-ab You are so very wrong on this in multiple ways. I'll bet you make more than a few "do not deal with" lists.

Neither party should have left feedback. Perhaps they should keep it...
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Seems that's what's going to happen, and probably deserved. Good thing it wasn't Boru dealing with this, they both got off easy IMO.
 
You know, OP has to look on the bright side. The seller was trying to be polite, instead of saying "Hey idiot, what part of "CONUS ONLY" did you miss?", he instead returned the price of his knife* to its original non-discounted number hoping this would deter you, or if it didn't, he'd at least be paid for the trouble of actually having to go to the post office and fill out the proper forms.

Unfortunately, you weren't getting the hint. You should probably have just understood the message, thanked him for his time and moved on. Seller, next time, just be direct. "No international sales, sorry." Simple as that.



*Please show us in the rules where someone isn't allowed to change the price of their knife, pretty sure that's not anywhere in there.
 
Isn't there typically an extra paypal fee for cross-border transactions and/or currency conversions?
 
Jasmar0331 said:
Thanks MOD.. #4 has been read in its entirety, and i still stand by what i said and did. The only thing i retract is giving a negative feedback comment after he did. I felt i had to defend myself as best i could. Thanks for your time dealing with this juvenile matter..

Respectfully,
J
Semper Fidelis
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That was your only mistake in all this.

I was stationed at Goodfellow AFB for a bit early on in my time. Certainly not the worst base or place but nothing much to do except go to the on base bar (going off base required a buddy and chucks or better). Friend of mine got into a very minor scuffle and decided top out a knife. He said the same thing, felt he needed to defend himself the best he could. Got dropped to PFC for that, which seems fair considering it's a PFC mentality to escalate shit instead of handling the situation correctly.
 
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