SG2 steel Red Flag!

[2brothers]

I still don't like the fact that one time every one of them is noticably assymetric, then another time one is perfect.

Either it is or isn't.

mike

 

[cbxer55]

Sorry for your seemingly constant problems with our pocket cutlery.

I guess I would have to ask why you kept the 1725SG2 if it has an issue, or the others for that matter?

Tell you what, you package all 5 of those Kershaw's you have, put them to my attention, and Priority ship them off (no worries I'll even refund the shipping charges back to you). I'll personally inspect them, and replace them all with brand new knives (same day) that will hopefully meet your expectations.

Kershaw Knives
18600 SW Teton Ave
Tualatin OR 97062

Be sure to send them with a tracking #.

BTW, we do know how to make even grinds...promise.


Now I'm not entirely sure your general comments about our factories abilities were necessary, but I can understand your frustration.

Thanks for the offer, but as I said in another post some weeks ago, I just live with it. They still cut as they are supposed to do. I only pointed it out because one guy said that the assymetrics get marked XXX and sold as seconds. I paid full price for all of them with the same "defects". Am I going to go to the trouble of packaging them, going 15 miles to the Post Office and send them back? NO.
As for why I keep buying them, you realize that this is over a period from 1999 to 2007. The first was the Random Task, and I noticed its assymetric blade right out of the box. Thomas can probably not replace this one as it is no longer sold. Then the Black Boa and noticed it right away as well. That was the last Kershaw I bought for some 5 years.
Then I bought the black Leek in 2006, it is just slightly not right. I no longer have the Leek, gave it away when the spring broke 2 weeks ago. Gave it to a new girl at work who asked me for a knife. I said here, you can have this one.
I bought the JYDI in November and it is just slightly off as well.
I just got the JYDII SG2 2 weeks ago. On it one side has the flat part of the blade almost .40 longer on one side than the other. It is quite noticable.
I will try and post pictures for those dis-believers tonight or tomorrow.
As I said not going to go to the trouble of returning them. Just not going to buy any more Kershaws. I have dozens of Spydercos and Benchmades, and many other brands, and not a one of them has anything slightly resembling assemetry on the blades. Most of them did not cost as much as what I paid for the JYDII SG2.

 

[cbxer55]

I still don't like the fact that one time every one of them is noticably assymetric, then another time one is perfect.

Either it is or isn't.

mike

I will try and get pics tonight. Cannot do the Leek as I gave it away two weeks ago when the spring broke. I know that Kershaw would probably send me a spring for nothing. That is not the point, it was a year old, had crooked blade grinds, and then the spring broke. It was easier to give it to someone who did not know any better. Over time I will probably do the same to the others as well.
Currently I put the 4 I have left in a case and have gone back to carrying my Large and Mini Rukus from Benchmade. Those 2 were perfect out of the box and are my two favorite knives.

 

[Let It Bleed]

What does "assy-metric" mean anyway? I know what asymmetric is, so maybe "assymetric" is an entirely different problem that cbxer55 is having with his knives.

Reminds me of the old saying that "there ain't no education in the second kick from a mule."

 

[svrider3]

The first was the Random Task, and I noticed its assymetric blade right out of the box. Thomas can probably not replace this one as it is not made anymore.

Why would you just "live" with a $200 Random Task?
That's not chump change. And I believe Thomas said he
could replace all of them. Not 1, not 2.....all.

Have a wondeful day and Happy New Year!!

 

[svrider3]

What does "assy-metric" mean anyway? I know what asymmetric is, so maybe "assymetric" is an entirely different problem that cbxer55 is having with his knives.

Reminds me of the old saying that "there ain't no education in the second kick from a mule."

Assy-metric is what you get after the second kick from a mule.

 

[2brothers]

I will try and get pics tonight.

I was just going by what you said here in this thread and another.
They're conflicting statements is all. At first I wasn't sure if you were
talking about the same knife or not.

I have 4 Kershaws, and 3 of them have assymetric grinds. THe grind lines are not the same on both sides. I just live with it, figure no one else will notice. My Random Task is pretty noticable, the hollow is larger on one side than the other.

My black Boa is the same, the hollow is higher on one side than the other.
My black Leek is the same.

My Junk Yard Dog appears to be the first perfect Kershaw I ahve owned. Cannot detect any dis-similarities from either side.
Hopefully the 1725SG2 will be thw same.

It is funny you mention that it is marked XXX for being "slightly assymetric".
I recently gota 1725SG2 from a internet dealer, not marked XXX. The blade is so badly assymetric even a non-knifeaholic friend noticed it.
Matter of fact, I have 5 Kershaw knive, every one of them is noticably assymetric.
Black Boa
Random Task
Black Leek
Junk Yard Dog I
Junk Yard Dog II Ti/SG2
I have begun wondering if Kershaw knows hiow to make a symetric grind.
Also know I will not be purchasing another Kershaw anytime soon.

mike

 

[nozh2002]

cbxer55 kindly agreed to post pictures. I can understand that small asymmetry is not a reason to start all exchange trouble etc. I can understand that if I noticed this small problem, it most likely will not prevent me from buying new knives.

I also can understand that he may see things better then me - this is why I ask to post pictures. Until then - why start all this fan-boy wars picking on typos etc - it may be just matter of personal preferences or may be Kershaw need to pay more attention to grinding or may be it is something wrong with Kershaw dealer - who knows until we see the pictures?

What is this? Nobody now can report any problem with Kershaw? Should we just post here only love-letter to Kershaw?

"Oh! How quite it is - I pee myself..."

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[cbxer55]

What does "assy-metric" mean anyway? I know what asymmetric is, so maybe "assymetric" is an entirely different problem that cbxer55 is having with his knives.

Well to be truthful I am not a big user of spell check. When I spelled it your way it just did not look right. Still does'nt, but you of course are correct.:thumbup:

Why would you just "live" with a $200 Random Task?
That's not chump change. And I believe Thomas said he
could replace all of them. Not 1, not 2.....all.

Have a wondeful day and Happy New Year!!

You are possibly correct. I paid $175.00 for it in 1999 or 2000, when they first came out. I was making a lot more money back then, and was not overly concerned about it. Still am not, I do not use it any more, it rests in a case where only one side is visible. Same with the Black Boa, and probably same with the two JYDs I now have. I am a lazy SOB and do not feel like packaging them and driving the 15 miles to the nearest Post Office. Where I then have to remove my gun so I can go in and wait in some long ass line to send it out.:jerkit:

I am out to cook some steaks, then after eating I will get the pictures I alluded to earlier. I will use 6 inch scales with tenths and hundredths marked out on them, so the side-to-side differences will be clearly visible.

 

[Let It Bleed]

why start all this fan-boy wars picking on typos etc

Nobody is picking on anyone. I thought "assymetric" was funny, so I made a little fun of it. Also, just to clarify, it is not a typo if used repeatedly.

If pointing out inconsistent statements or questioning the logic of continually buying "inferior" products makes me a "fan-boy" in your opinion, then that is clearly your prerogative.

Since forums consist mainly of short blurbs, it is easy to draw an inference of animus in a post that the writer did not intend. In the immortal words of Rodney King "why can’t we all just get along?”

 

[cbxer55]

Well, my wife told me she dropped the camera a couple weeks ago. I tried to take pictures but they all turned out so blurry it would be pointless in posting them. I have some dimension details though.
JYD II SG2
Blade on clip side: Flat portion extends out to 2.60 from handle.
Blade on other side: Flat portion extends out to 3.05 from handle.
Difference of .45 from one side to the other. Also the lines that differentiate the two dissimilar metals of the blade are so far off from side to side I would be afraid to sharpen it. On the clipless side the line is right at the edge. while on the clip side it is halfway between the edge and the flat section. Definite lack of Quality Control in my opinion. As one who has worked in Quality Assurance since 1992 I can have that opinion.

JYD I
Blade is off by .10 from side to side. But there is a hole in the handle on the clipless side that cuts out most of the 2 in the 1720 near the butt-end. Hole is not drilled completely through, only partially. Whats up with that? Have not seen that in any of the other pictures I have seen.

Black Boa
Difference from side to side of the flat portion is .23. On one side the height of the hollow grind at the belly is .60. On the other it is .74.

Random Task
Difference from side to side is .18. Height of hollow grind differs from side to side by .10.

Seems to me these all should have been marked XXX and priced accordingly. But what do I know? I worked as a Quality Assurance Inspector for 11 years at Northrop Grumman on the B-2 Stealth Bomber program. Still work in Q.A. in the Rail Industry.
I would not put my stamp of approval on any of the above conditions.

On wednesday when I get back to work, I will take the blades in and use our work camera. It is really nice and takes excellent close-up shots. Since we spent so much money on others for Christmas, we cannot currently afford to spend any on another camera.
After I post pictures, I promise to never come back to the Kershaw forum. Well, maybe in the year 2525.

 

[cbxer55]

If pointing out inconsistent statements or questioning the logic of continually buying "inferior" products makes me a "fan-boy" in your opinion, then that is clearly your prerogative.

I stated earlier, it was not a continuous thing. I bought my first Kershaw in 1999 or 2000, the Random Task. Noted the asymmetric grind but used it anyhow. Bought the Black Boa in 2000 as well, noted the asymmetric grind and used it as well.
I then did not buy another Kershaw until 2006. Bought it from a store, took 6 inch scale with me to at least make sure it was close. The black Leek was off, but not by much. I no longer have it as 2 weeks ago the spring broke, so I gave it away to one who does not know any better.
The JYD I was bought in November via internet, and is pretty close, but has a partially drilled hole in the handle that cuts out the 2 in the 1720 at the butt end.
The JYD II was bought this month via internet and is pretty bad. With a side to side difference in the flat section on the sides of .45, and the line where the two dissimilar metals of the blade appears is completely different on either side. Clip side it is up high, halfway between edge and spine. Opposite side it is down right at the edge.
This will definitely, without a doubt, be the last Kershaw I buy, ever. I appreciate Thomas offer to exchange them. But I am just not up to the hassles involved, as stated earlier.
These blades will either reside in a case for eternity, or be given away to folks for birthdays or Christmas gifts.

 

[nozh2002]

Well, my wife told me she dropped the camera a couple weeks ago. I tried to take pictures but they all turned out so blurry it would be pointless in posting them...

On wednesday when I get back to work, I will take the blades in and use our work camera. It is really nice and takes excellent close-up shots.

OK, let's wait patiently till Wednesday then.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[offsetlover]

OK, this may seem like a stupid question to ask, but why the heck do we keep going on and on about "well this Kershaw isnt perfect i just noticed (or got)! oh my! let me bring it up in a thread where that ISN'T THE SUBJECT ORIGINALLY POSTED!!!!!!"

common people. from my point of view (which is bound to cause issues), OE started this thread to say one simple thing................the blade of the SG2 JYD2 is not designed for "hacking", but for cutting (which Kneedeep has said on a few occasions), so please dont try to make the same mistake, even if it was easilly fixed.

 

[nozh2002]

Yes, big Thanks to OregonEdge - I did not really notice how thin JYD II SG2/Ti blade really is. I probably will not ever chop with is anyway, but additional caution really necessary.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[SPXTrader]

OK, this may seem like a stupid question to ask, but why the heck do we keep going on and on about "well this Kershaw isnt perfect i just noticed (or got)! oh my! let me bring it up in a thread where that ISN'T THE SUBJECT ORIGINALLY POSTED!!!!!!"

Agreed. And especially since Thomas has offered to replace all the knives in question, and with great restraint and patience on his part, I cannot see why someone who owns knives he isn't happy with doesn't take Thomas up on his offer...even if it does mean driving a little to the Post Office.

SUMMARY: Thread got off topic, poster complained, Thomas offered to make it good...end of story.

Now back to the original topic of this thread.............Whacking is OK with a whacker, not a slicer!

 

[nozh2002]

Agreed. And especially since Thomas has offered to replace all the knives in question, and with great restraint and patience on his part, I cannot see why someone who owns knives he isn't happy with doesn't take Thomas up on his offer...even if it does mean driving a little to the Post Office.

SUMMARY: Thread got off topic, poster complained, Thomas offered to make it good...end of story.

Now back to the original topic of this thread.............Whacking is OK with a whacker, not a slicer!

No if this question was raised here - let see photos here. It was claimed that grind is uneven on all knives bough one after another and photos will be present - after this it may be end of story.

Again to my view it is not a complain but plain info. As I understand cbxer55 happy with this asymmetrical blades and keep buying Kershaw. However let see it for real, because other may not be happy and may decide not to buy Kershaw for that reason. So let see pictures to understand what cbxer55 meant.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[SPXTrader]

Vassili, I agree photos would be nice to see. However this should be started in another thread.

cbxer55 clearly stated in post # 52 that "This will definitely, without a doubt, be the last Kershaw I buy, ever." With this statement, I personally feel that a new thread should host his complaints. He can then post post his pictures there.

Thanks, SPX

 

[Thomas W]

I will try and post pictures for those dis-believers

I don't believe anyone said they didn't believe you. Just someone questioning of a couple of your past posts.
There is a pretty great group of Kershaw folks over here.:thumbup: We all really try to get along, have fun, and share our experiences together.

As I said not going to go to the trouble of returning them. Just not going to buy any more Kershaws.

This will definitely, without a doubt, be the last Kershaw I buy, ever.

After I post pictures, I promise to never come back to the Kershaw forum.

I guess at this point all I can say is that I'm sorry our knives didn't work out for you. I'm quite sure your BM's and Spydies will work out perfectly for you.
I'm also sorry to hear that we have upset you the way we have.

In any case, here is to you having a lifetime of knife happiness, and a happy and blessed New Year.

I personally feel that a new thread should host his complaints.

There are already a few now, another might be a bit redundant.

 

[OregonEdge]

SUMMARY: Thread got off topic, poster complained, Thomas offered to make it good...end of story.

Now back to the original topic of this thread.............Whacking is OK with a whacker, not a slicer!

WOW, Really????!!! and how easy it is to forget that when your out with your son in the forest. God forbid I should just want to give everyone a heads up. lest I pick off someone's personal scab about other Kershaw products and get my head bit off in the process.