SHe's a stripper

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CG or satin, the SHe are clearly very different looking from every raw infi I've seen to date, both in person and in pics.

It's causing quite a stir.

And looks aside (matters to some, not to others), many have the concern if it will hold up to the strength and performance infi and Busse is known for. Some can speculate it will, but it's purely speculation at this point. We have the warranty, which is great, but *insert Tommy Boy quote*

For me, as I stated previously, the ugliness of my SHe will probably cause me to beat it more. Because a) it can only improve the looks :) and b) if it is weaker and I do manage to break it (seriously doubt it) I know it'll get replaced.

I can totally understand where people are coming from though and it would say a lot to hear direct from the maker. Putting an end to any rumors and further debate.

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Lugnutt, I get you.

To the rest of you: I have drunk my share of Kool Ade, and bought and sold more Bussekin than I can can count in the last 10 years. In that time, I have come to determine that Custom Shop blades are not my thing (YMMV), nor factory satin (YMMV). The performance is important, and so I now buy CG knives, and strip them to deliver my own 'ghetto satin', for INFI and SR101. When done, they aren't pretty, but have, at least to my eye, an appearance that places function over form. (I think Glocks are good looking, if that helps).

Objectively, those few stripped BG SHE2 are far and away the ugliest naked INFI I have ever seen.

Do I trust in the warranty? Absolutely.

Am I worried about performance? Aye, there's the rub. The scientist in me cannot help but think, if just a little bit: "INFI has never looked like that before. Why does it look like that now? What does it mean? What is different now to deliver that appearance? If one can see a difference, is there some additional difference that is unseen? Is that significant?"

Jerry has said something to the effect that they would never compromise the quality of the knives. (Sorry, too tired to find the exact quote) I accept him at his word. I know that he will stand behind his product, no matter what.

So, let me try another angle. We have seen many stripped CG blades here over the years. The sum of all those observations creates in the mind of the customer a certain expectation; that the next blade will look like the previous ones. Certainly Busse makes no explicit promises w.r.t the appearance of a naked CG blade, but there is an inevitable implicit promise that past performance will predict future results. When I strip my SHE2, if it looks like those others, there will be a slight twinge of dissappointment, and a lingering question in my mind.
 
resinguy said:
Lugnutt, I get you.

To the rest of you: I have drunk my share of Kool Ade, and bought and sold more Bussekin than I can can count in the last 10 years. In that time, I have come to determine that Custom Shop blades are not my thing (YMMV), nor factory satin (YMMV). The performance is important, and so I now buy CG knives, and strip them to deliver my own 'ghetto satin', for INFI and SR101. When done, they aren't pretty, but have, at least to my eye, an appearance that places function over form. (I think Glocks are good looking, if that helps).

Objectively, those few stripped BG SHE2 are far and away the ugliest naked INFI I have ever seen.

Do I trust in the warranty? Absolutely.

Am I worried about performance? Aye, there's the rub. The scientist in me cannot help but think, if just a little bit: "INFI has never looked like that before. Why does it look like that now? What does it mean? What is different now to deliver that appearance? If one can see a difference, is there some additional difference that is unseen? Is that significant?"

Jerry has said something to the effect that they would never compromise the quality of the knives. (Sorry, too tired to find the exact quote) I accept him at his word. I know that he will stand behind his product, no matter what.

So, let me try another angle. We have seen many stripped CG blades here over the years. The sum of all those observations creates in the mind of the customer a certain expectation; that the next blade will look like the previous ones. Certainly Busse makes no explicit promises w.r.t the appearance of a naked CG blade, but there is an inevitable implicit promise that past performance will predict future results. When I strip my SHE2, if it looks like those others, there will be a slight twinge of dissappointment, and a lingering question in my mind.
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The SHes can be ugly. My BAe CG can be ugly. Hell, my Battle Shark and BMe can be ugly stripped too.

Just please don't let my B13s be ugly. I need those to not be pitted. At least a few will be stripped. And it would be nice if at least one of my Huck Fins weren't pitted as well.
 
Well put resinguy, I agree with everything you said, (Except the Glocks), before everybody gets upset about glocks, I own one and yes they are very reliable-Not Pretty-I have given my opinion to Lugnutt what I would do, dimples are one thing, what I see in the pictures are another-Cheers!!!
resinguy said:
Lugnutt, I get you.

To the rest of you: I have drunk my share of Kool Ade, and bought and sold more Bussekin than I can can count in the last 10 years. In that time, I have come to determine that Custom Shop blades are not my thing (YMMV), nor factory satin (YMMV). The performance is important, and so I now buy CG knives, and strip them to deliver my own 'ghetto satin', for INFI and SR101. When done, they aren't pretty, but have, at least to my eye, an appearance that places function over form. (I think Glocks are good looking, if that helps).

Objectively, those few stripped BG SHE2 are far and away the ugliest naked INFI I have ever seen.

Do I trust in the warranty? Absolutely.

Am I worried about performance? Aye, there's the rub. The scientist in me cannot help but think, if just a little bit: "INFI has never looked like that before. Why does it look like that now? What does it mean? What is different now to deliver that appearance? If one can see a difference, is there some additional difference that is unseen? Is that significant?"

Jerry has said something to the effect that they would never compromise the quality of the knives. (Sorry, too tired to find the exact quote) I accept him at his word. I know that he will stand behind his product, no matter what.

So, let me try another angle. We have seen many stripped CG blades here over the years. The sum of all those observations creates in the mind of the customer a certain expectation; that the next blade will look like the previous ones. Certainly Busse makes no explicit promises w.r.t the appearance of a naked CG blade, but there is an inevitable implicit promise that past performance will predict future results. When I strip my SHE2, if it looks like those others, there will be a slight twinge of dissappointment, and a lingering question in my mind.
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Well put, this is what this forum is for-Good Luck Brother!!!
Lugnutt said:
It's nice to experience personally that you guys are very good people. I am impressed by your attitude especially resinguy, tom, warden,etc.
I am glad this situation turned out not bad at all.
I know that Jerry has been reading this forum so I am not worried about it.
It was just a little heads up for him that might have been a little emotionally charged.
Anyway , I will keep the blade and take warden's advice and make it my user.
I know the upcoming blades will be like the original ones.
I have 3 B13 pending as well and some satins.

Thanks guys and God Bless!
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Great input from everyone. Would love to hear Garth or Jerry's perspective on this.

John
 
evltcat said:
How is it unacceptable QC? You bought a CG that is sold with a coating, and you're expecting Satin under the coating?!? :confused:
Satin costs about 30% more than CG and that cost is in starting with a thicker blank and time for finishing to produce to a satin sheen.
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One thing in regards to this comment, and this is where you could argue that the larger craters dip into the QC - even with the coating on, I could see those few deeper craters and they were easily noticeable even with the rougher surface of the crinkle coat...not something that bothered me enough to do a warranty claim over, but I know for a fact that there are members within our knife community that would be pretty unhappy to find a non-uniform, not-flat surface on the flats of their $400 fixed blade. In hindsight, I should have taken a photo of it...

resinguy said:
Lugnutt, I get you.

To the rest of you: I have drunk my share of Kool Ade, and bought and sold more Bussekin than I can can count in the last 10 years. In that time, I have come to determine that Custom Shop blades are not my thing (YMMV), nor factory satin (YMMV). The performance is important, and so I now buy CG knives, and strip them to deliver my own 'ghetto satin', for INFI and SR101. When done, they aren't pretty, but have, at least to my eye, an appearance that places function over form. (I think Glocks are good looking, if that helps).

Objectively, those few stripped BG SHE2 are far and away the ugliest naked INFI I have ever seen.

Do I trust in the warranty? Absolutely.

Am I worried about performance? Aye, there's the rub. The scientist in me cannot help but think, if just a little bit: "INFI has never looked like that before. Why does it look like that now? What does it mean? What is different now to deliver that appearance? If one can see a difference, is there some additional difference that is unseen? Is that significant?"

Jerry has said something to the effect that they would never compromise the quality of the knives. (Sorry, too tired to find the exact quote) I accept him at his word. I know that he will stand behind his product, no matter what.

So, let me try another angle. We have seen many stripped CG blades here over the years. The sum of all those observations creates in the mind of the customer a certain expectation; that the next blade will look like the previous ones. Certainly Busse makes no explicit promises w.r.t the appearance of a naked CG blade, but there is an inevitable implicit promise that past performance will predict future results. When I strip my SHE2, if it looks like those others, there will be a slight twinge of dissappointment, and a lingering question in my mind.
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I couldn't have said it better myself! Thanks RG :thumbup:
 
Warranty claims are all well and good, but you wait in excess of 5 months, pay an arm and a leg for a poorly finished product, and have to immediately send it back? To wait another 5 months and get it back with some other issue? Yeah, no thanks.
 
I think using a turd as an analogy is less than ideal. Granted. These blades are HIGH END. That's what we pay for. Performance before ascetics is what I'm mainly interested in.

Paying as much as we do for this high end product, we'd expect to not have to worry about its performance. As was stated before, it's hard not to wonder just why it looks so different from previous stripped blades.

Just don't compare the thing to a turd.... You've got to understand what it takes to get all these different designs produced in a timely fashion. CNC setups are time consuming if not tedious and sometimes a bit complicated.

I'm just saying that there's probably more to this than meets the eye, hopefully just a weird batch of blanks. Who knows. I just don't think a turd analogy is appropriate here.

My $.02
 
Somewhere along the line a business/QC decision is made where the trade-offs are discussed: Which knives go on to coating and which knives are rejected. If you say "we've got a lifetime guarantee so it doesn't matter what we pass on, we'll make it good if someone complains," you're fine if most of the knives are safe queens. What about if one knife fails in combat? That's you whole raison d'etre- Busse Combat Knives.

Someone is deciding which from a batch are going to the custom shop, to the coaters, and to the garbage. Infi garbage is probably expensive so we fall back on an old contractor's adage - 'A good painter can cover the mistakes of a bad carpenter.'
 
I've seen a lot of strippers... some stripped Busse's too. I have never seen dimples like that. This leads me to believe that something has changed.

Has the steel composition changed?

Has the heat treatment protocol changed?


Those are my questions....

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I see a stripped knife that hasn't been cleaned up. I'd bet it'd look a lot different after being hit with a scotchbrite wheel. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me

I've mostly purchased combat grade knives. From the very first one I've been well aware that I'm buying combat grade and not satin or LE finishes. I've seen quite a few stripped knives. Everything from SYKCO sr101 to INFI Busse's. They don't always look the same and I don't expect them to.

If you expect a perfect finish under a coating then you're buying the wrong knives. Stick to satin.
 
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