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Nope... he is actually DEAD .... my dogs got him (luckily before he got one of them 
) just before I walked out of the house. The Red Belly black is considered "dangerous" but not so much.
Here is the Australian Venom Research Unit's table on venomous snakes (there are some arguments about such thigs of course) for reference...
Snake Species LD50* Distribution
1. Inland taipan 0.025 Australia
2. Eastern brown snake 0.053 Australia
3. Coastal taipan 0.099 Australia
4. Tiger snake 0.118 Australia
5. Black tiger snake 0.131 Australia
6. Beaked sea snake 0.164 Australia
7. Black tiger snake 0.194 - 0.338 Australia
8. Death adder 0.400 Australia
9. Gwardar 0.473 Australia
10. Spotted brown snake 0.360 (in bovine serum albumin) Australia
11. Australian copperhead 0.560 Australia
12. Cobra 0.565 Asia
13. Dugite 0.660 Australia
14. Papuan black snake 1.09 New Guinea
15. Stephens' banded snake 1.36 Australia
16. Rough scaled snake 1.36 Australia
17. King cobra 1.80 Asia
18. Blue-bellied black snake 2.13 Australia
19. Collett's snake 2.38 Australia
20. Mulga snake 2.38 Australia
21. Red-bellied black snake 2.52 Australia
22. Small eyed snake 2.67 Australia
23. Eastern diamond-backed rattlesnake 11.4 North America
24. Black whipsnake >14.2 Australia
25. Fer-de-lance >27.8 South America
) just before I walked out of the house. The Red Belly black is considered "dangerous" but not so much.Here is the Australian Venom Research Unit's table on venomous snakes (there are some arguments about such thigs of course) for reference...
Snake Species LD50* Distribution
1. Inland taipan 0.025 Australia
2. Eastern brown snake 0.053 Australia
3. Coastal taipan 0.099 Australia
4. Tiger snake 0.118 Australia
5. Black tiger snake 0.131 Australia
6. Beaked sea snake 0.164 Australia
7. Black tiger snake 0.194 - 0.338 Australia
8. Death adder 0.400 Australia
9. Gwardar 0.473 Australia
10. Spotted brown snake 0.360 (in bovine serum albumin) Australia
11. Australian copperhead 0.560 Australia
12. Cobra 0.565 Asia
13. Dugite 0.660 Australia
14. Papuan black snake 1.09 New Guinea
15. Stephens' banded snake 1.36 Australia
16. Rough scaled snake 1.36 Australia
17. King cobra 1.80 Asia
18. Blue-bellied black snake 2.13 Australia
19. Collett's snake 2.38 Australia
20. Mulga snake 2.38 Australia
21. Red-bellied black snake 2.52 Australia
22. Small eyed snake 2.67 Australia
23. Eastern diamond-backed rattlesnake 11.4 North America
24. Black whipsnake >14.2 Australia
25. Fer-de-lance >27.8 South America
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Nope... he is actually DEAD .... my dogs got him (luckily before he got one of them
Here is the Australian Venom Research Unit's table on venomous snakes (there are some arguments about such thigs of course) for reference...
Snake Species LD50* Distribution
1. Inland taipan 0.025 Australia
2. Eastern brown snake 0.053 Australia
3. Coastal taipan 0.099 Australia
4. Tiger snake 0.118 Australia
5. Black tiger snake 0.131 Australia
6. Beaked sea snake 0.164 Australia
7. Black tiger snake 0.194 - 0.338 Australia
8. Death adder 0.400 Australia
9. Gwardar 0.473 Australia
10. Spotted brown snake 0.360 (in bovine serum albumin) Australia
11. Australian copperhead 0.560 Australia
12. Cobra 0.565 Asia
13. Dugite 0.660 Australia
14. Papuan black snake 1.09 New Guinea
15. Stephens' banded snake 1.36 Australia
16. Rough scaled snake 1.36 Australia
17. King cobra 1.80 Asia
18. Blue-bellied black snake 2.13 Australia
19. Collett's snake 2.38 Australia
20. Mulga snake 2.38 Australia
21. Red-bellied black snake 2.52 Australia
22. Small eyed snake 2.67 Australia
23. Eastern diamond-backed rattlesnake 11.4 North America
24. Black whipsnake >14.2 Australia
25. Fer-de-lance >27.8 South America
Wow, you guys have 20 of the top 25 spots. Makes be glad I live in North America.
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The list can be deceptive as it is based on “Toxicity” not how many people actually die from a bite. By way of example Cobras, Mambas and Asian vipers kill more people than about any other combination of snakes. This is generally related to the population of people working around v the population of snakes in a given area and of course the availability of appropriate medical treatment. When you get into Third World Countries and the chances of getting an appropriate antivenin shot are slim, them chances are you are NOT going to make it.
Out here the population is spread out (think 21M people in a land mass the same size as your Lower 48) and so there is "less" chance of snake encounters, we here are also pretty well versed in treating snake bites and medical is available. A kid was bitten by an Inland Taipan about two hours north of me earlier in the year (the snake was not native to the area and was being kept illegally), he lived. So despite having lots of snakes that can kill you the chances of dying from an encounter are lower, that said a few folks each year are KNOW to die and I would speculate the number is higher as there will be a lack of reporting on this from remote indigenous communities (like croc attacks). It is interesting that on any given trip to the bush in summer, my chances of crossing paths with an Easter Brown, Tiger Snake, Death Adder or Red Belly Black are pretty high.
Out here the population is spread out (think 21M people in a land mass the same size as your Lower 48) and so there is "less" chance of snake encounters, we here are also pretty well versed in treating snake bites and medical is available. A kid was bitten by an Inland Taipan about two hours north of me earlier in the year (the snake was not native to the area and was being kept illegally), he lived. So despite having lots of snakes that can kill you the chances of dying from an encounter are lower, that said a few folks each year are KNOW to die and I would speculate the number is higher as there will be a lack of reporting on this from remote indigenous communities (like croc attacks). It is interesting that on any given trip to the bush in summer, my chances of crossing paths with an Easter Brown, Tiger Snake, Death Adder or Red Belly Black are pretty high.
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I found this on the web and its pretty interesting. They point out that few people in Australia die from snake bites any more, mainly because anti-venoms are more readily available now. As opposed to India or Asia where the populations there most likely don't have the ready access that the Australian's enjoy.
Another interesting point is that of the 170 snake species in Australia, 120 are poisonous.
**Web Blurb**
Australia has more venomous snakes than any other country in the world. It also has the unenviable distinction of being home to no fewer than 9 of the top 10 most venomous snakes in the world. Interestingly, it is the only continent with a higher proportion of venomous snakes to non-venomous ones: out of a total of nearly 170 species (including more than 30 sea snakes) around 120 of them are venomous. Some 20 - 25 of these are considered to be highly dangerous to people, the commonest cause of serious snakebite being the tiger snake (Notechis scutatus).
Even though few parts of Australia are entirely free of dangerous snakes - and an estimated 3,000 Australians are bitten by venomous snakes every year - deaths due to snakebite are relatively uncommon. Fatalities have dropped dramatically since the beginning of the century as anti-venoms have become more readily available: every year 200 - 500 of the snakebite victims require treatment with anti-venoms without which their chances of survival would have been limited. Between 1981 and 1991 only 18 deaths from snakebite were reported to the Commonwealth Serum Laboratory, Melbourne; four of these were people bitten after picking the snakes up or playing with them.
Brown snakes (genus Pseudonaja) were responsible for 11 deaths; tiger snakes (Notechus scutatus) for four; taipans (Oxyuranus scutellatus) for two; and a death adder (Acanthopis australis) for one.
Another interesting point is that of the 170 snake species in Australia, 120 are poisonous.
**Web Blurb**
Australia has more venomous snakes than any other country in the world. It also has the unenviable distinction of being home to no fewer than 9 of the top 10 most venomous snakes in the world. Interestingly, it is the only continent with a higher proportion of venomous snakes to non-venomous ones: out of a total of nearly 170 species (including more than 30 sea snakes) around 120 of them are venomous. Some 20 - 25 of these are considered to be highly dangerous to people, the commonest cause of serious snakebite being the tiger snake (Notechis scutatus).
Even though few parts of Australia are entirely free of dangerous snakes - and an estimated 3,000 Australians are bitten by venomous snakes every year - deaths due to snakebite are relatively uncommon. Fatalities have dropped dramatically since the beginning of the century as anti-venoms have become more readily available: every year 200 - 500 of the snakebite victims require treatment with anti-venoms without which their chances of survival would have been limited. Between 1981 and 1991 only 18 deaths from snakebite were reported to the Commonwealth Serum Laboratory, Melbourne; four of these were people bitten after picking the snakes up or playing with them.
Brown snakes (genus Pseudonaja) were responsible for 11 deaths; tiger snakes (Notechus scutatus) for four; taipans (Oxyuranus scutellatus) for two; and a death adder (Acanthopis australis) for one.
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Definitely agree with you. if their proximity doesn't threaten me or my family, i have no issue with them (other than their potential to look good on leather). i've heard "experts" say they aren't territorial. I don't know... don't take the chance.
But seriously, they are part of the eco system.
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I am bad for chasing little reptiles around when I have a camera handy, this guy was in West Australia last year...some kind of little "brown snake"..... I was kneeling down trying to get him out from under the bush (well letting him come out) and a few English tourists walked down the same track I was on.... initially they thought it was some little marsupial or furry critter I was taking pics of.... they were MUCH less interested and left when I told them what was under there..... 
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Nope, never heard of fish river canyon... the only one i found on a maps search was in Namibia, a bit further from the Superstition Mountains then i'd likely travel on a day trip
Hmmm... maybe not so fast, can't make out the details on the head or tail, but the "diamonds to stripes" pattern make those look like Mojave's? If so, they're about the meanest and most toxic rattler out there! (or so i've heard)
I'm sorry, it's Fish Creek Canyon. (It was 15 years ago) It's within a 45 min of Lost Dutchmans Mine and we passed it on the way there from Tempe. It was a nice smaller canyon with 80' or higher walls that had large caves in them. Looked like right out of an old western and was a nice hike. I hope to go back there one day.
Map search: Fish Creek Canyon, Maricopa, AZ.
We parked at this bridge.
The snake is a Pacific Timber Rattler.
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Funny timing seeing this thread. I had a rattler curled up near my feet at the job site in the hills today. Took it's head off with a shovel. Discovered it was pregnant with 6 more while skinning it with my Benchmade. They were all moving upon removal so I grabbed the 911 from under the drivers seat of the 4Runner and took off their heads.
This is a rattlesnake? Larvae black?
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Nope... he is actually DEAD .... my dogs got him (luckily before he got one of them
Here is the Australian Venom Research Unit's table on venomous snakes (there are some arguments about such thigs of course) for reference...
Snake Species LD50* Distribution
1. Inland taipan 0.025 Australia
2. Eastern brown snake 0.053 Australia
3. Coastal taipan 0.099 Australia
4. Tiger snake 0.118 Australia
5. Black tiger snake 0.131 Australia
6. Beaked sea snake 0.164 Australia
7. Black tiger snake 0.194 - 0.338 Australia
8. Death adder 0.400 Australia
9. Gwardar 0.473 Australia
10. Spotted brown snake 0.360 (in bovine serum albumin) Australia
11. Australian copperhead 0.560 Australia
12. Cobra 0.565 Asia
13. Dugite 0.660 Australia
14. Papuan black snake 1.09 New Guinea
15. Stephens' banded snake 1.36 Australia
16. Rough scaled snake 1.36 Australia
17. King cobra 1.80 Asia
18. Blue-bellied black snake 2.13 Australia
19. Collett's snake 2.38 Australia
20. Mulga snake 2.38 Australia
21. Red-bellied black snake 2.52 Australia
22. Small eyed snake 2.67 Australia
23. Eastern diamond-backed rattlesnake 11.4 North America
24. Black whipsnake >14.2 Australia
25. Fer-de-lance >27.8 South America
That is a huge amount of snakes. . . . How many of those have you seen, Andy?
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looking at the list (and not including Zoos/Reptile parks etc) ... I think I have seen 9 or so at some point. Never seen and Inland Taipan in the wild (they are thankfully pretty hard to find) but I have seen a few of the Coastal variety... first time was in the NT in the mid 1980s.... I was out in a remote area fishing/hunting buffalo and crossed paths with one on the edge of the river.... I tell you if I had to choose the Taipan or the Crocs I think it would have been the Crocs...!!!!!! Back then there was of course no phones, no radio (that we had) and not much chance of help, yep... with the crocs at least if I got out of the other side of the river I would be OK...
I see more Eastern Browns and Red Belly Blacks than anything else. I have another pic here of the floor of a machinery shed I took showing all the snake trails in the dirt.... 
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Sounds like Lexi won't be going down under to see any of our Aussie friends, Andy, Mr. Stanley, others, any time soon?!?
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I'm sorry, it's Fish Creek Canyon. (It was 15 years ago) It's within a 45 min of Lost Dutchmans Mine and we passed it on the way there from Tempe. It was a nice smaller canyon with 80' or higher walls that had large caves in them. Looked like right out of an old western and was a nice hike. I hope to go back there one day.
Map search: Fish Creek Canyon, Maricopa, AZ.
We parked at this bridge.
The snake is a Pacific Timber Rattler.
Ah, i should have known, I've only passed through Fish Creek Canyon. I actually live about 12 miles from Canyon lake and Tortilla Flats.
That's a Pacific Timber Rattler? Never seen one, but my very first rattler was, according to my more experienced friend at the time, a timber rattler in Payson, AZ. was really greenish, but i can see the similarities in markings.
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Absolutely!
I live about 660 feet west of the Mining Camp restaurant for reference. Send an email and we can meet some time.
Always happy to show off the INFI.