Should we have a Hall of Shame section?

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tyr_shadowblade said:
WHAT "ramifications"? A few unfounded nusiance lawsuits?
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"Nusiance" lawsuits are expensive. One still gets to retain an attorney with his billing hours. A few "nuisance" lawsuits could shut down this site, win or lose. I suggested this very idea a few years back, but then had the whole legal aspect explained to me. As is it would be hard to hold the site liable for the opinions published here. If they were a part of the site controlled directly by the site it's another thing again. If Spark thinks that's not a problem or is willing to entertain a few dozen "nusiance" lawsuits more power to him.
 
Spark said:
Recently I've considered a "Hall of Shame" section

Do you guys think you'd use such a forum?
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Well, no.

The reason ist there is too much chance of it being the cause of more trouble than it ever helps avoid.
There is a lot of anger in the world today.
There is a lot of anger on the internet.
With care, people who visit internet forums can find friends and learn new things.

But there is always a lot of anger looking for a chance too.
 
If we have a Hall of Shame thread we won't need to sticky threads like the Steve Corkum and Allan Blade ones. Too many sticky threads are not a good thing.
 
I don't like it personally. Seems like a bad direction but if only the moderators can start a thread it could possibly work I guess. I had not considered that option. Still something about it disgruntles me personally because even the mods have gotten carried away a time or two here. The R.W. Clark thread for example when he and Cliff were going at it. Who is next?

STR
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I don't think that anyone should be put into the hall of shame unless they have been irrevocably shown to belong there.
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Usually the threads involving bad transactions grow to numerous pages. Perhaps rather than having a "Hall of Shame", there should be a list of threads that have grown more than five pages with a link to that thread. Having all the sticky threads on top seems like a big distraction to TGBU.
 
It's a GREAT idea and it is why MANY people lurk, post, view, participate etc.
It RAISES the PUBLIC's awareness of FRAUD's, PHONIES and UNSCRUPULOUS people period. That is what a forum does. It allows free exchanges of data, opinions, facts, informs etc. in a perfect world.

Hope it becomes a reality.

best regards !
 
Sounds good to me.
If someone in the industry or community is screwing people on a consistent basis and there is evidence to back it up not just hearsay, people should know, and I'm sure would appreciate it.

Just thinking out loud here, maybe if the list was a sticky that could only be viewed by payed users, another perk for upgrading your experience.
I'm not a legal mind either but that maybe a way for you.

Helle
 
I think it is a good idea. It would be a way to separate the criminals from the guys that have a bad day. Once is a mistake, twice is being careless and three times is a trend. I think that is how the saying goes.

I think we should allow certain companies to be lumped in as well. I keep hearing bad reports of the same few online knife shops and I think they should be put in as a warning not to deal with them. I don't know if that would get you in trouble or not but it would help us out a little.

The thing about the hall of shame is, wouldn't it be filled with banned members though? When you find a guy cheating others, don't they just get banned?
 
Er, can somebody explain the POINT of having this Hall of Shame? Who would be put in there? Why?Examples please.
 
If you check the stickies, you will notice names like Dale Chudzinski, Allan Blade, Ann Dem, Steve Corkum. Those are examples of who you would find in the Hall of Shame. It wouldn't include every company or person that others had bad experiences with. Only the worst would find their way to the Hall of Shame. Companies like The Blade Shop have not done enough to get themselves included.
 
"Er, can somebody explain the POINT of having this Hall of Shame? Who would be put in there? Why?Examples please."

OK once again,

"It RAISES the PUBLIC's awareness of FRAUD's, PHONIES and UNSCRUPULOUS people period. That is what a forum does. It allows free exchanges of data, opinions, facts, informs, allows constructive notice, etc. in a perfect world."

It would keep the unscrupulous predators from operating as easily and make them have to be legit or hide from their TRUTH.
 
Right, thank you.
Those names mentioned earlier are all new to me.
Good idea then, sorry for being obtuse.
 
Would'nt it be easier to just go three strikes then IP ban? Naming a list is a slander suit waiting to happen, if you get enough of them together then that could be real trouble.
 
The Chef said:
Would'nt it be easier to just go three strikes then IP ban? Naming a list is a slander suit waiting to happen, if you get enough of them together then that could be real trouble.
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I think you mean libel. Libel is written defamation, slander is spoken defamation.

I don't think Bladeforums could be found liable for any libel claim. Newspapers are allowed to print facts considered to be important to the public interest. Bladeforums providing such a list would surely be done in the public interest. As long as such a list is not done maliciously (and I don't think the members here would allow that), then it shouldn't be a problem.
 
While it sounds like a good idea and with all due respect to Spark I think it would be better not to have it here. There's enough crappy stuff in the world without adding to it. There's always the chance that an innocent person may be slandered. A hall of shame would be a lawyers paradise. I depend on this place way to much to risk losing it. As satisfiying as it seems to have this, I think it would cast a negative atmosphere. One of the things that I really like about bladeforums is that we tend to be a bunch of guys (and gals) that can discuss our passions about pointed things and sometimes we may dissagree but at least for the most part we are a kind and civil bunch. Let's keep it that way!:cool: ;) :thumbup:
 
I think the problem with the stickies is that currently there are 10 threads, and while some of them are about egregious individuals who have cheated many members of the knife community, the threads about them are ... long. Most new BF members, who I think are the ones most at risk for being taken, aren't going to read through all of them. I think it would be a better idea to have a single sticky for Hall of Shame type people ... and put a disclaimer like, "while you are free to use your money as you like, BF community suggests that you exercise extreme caution when dealing with these members. For more information use the search function."

I see there are some people who are up here: Steve Corkum, Allan Blade, Ann Dem / Vlad, ArtSig, ysforge ... but, for example, is ysforge quite as bad as Steve Corkum / Allan Blade? Where is Dale Reif? At what point does one include someone whose behavior has been questionable and hasn't at least made attempts to even things up with customers (Ed Van Hoy?). I think these are some things that need to be considered.
 
I have only been here a very very short time. I do believe that this is a very good idea to protect any new user or someone who has no idea as to who to look out for like my self. I do have one thing to say about the politics, It seems as though to many people worry too much about whether something is correct or the proper thing to do, or worry too much about what will, or could, or might happen that they choose to do nothing, which in it self is wrong. If we sat back and worried about someone sueing us all of the time we would do nothing. The thing that I have learned by being in business for about 15 years is anyone can sue anybody else, for any reason that is either real or that they just dream up. All they have to do is pay the filing fee. The one kicker to is they have to sue you in your home county (Texas Law), unless you are operating with a registered agent in another county , state or country. Just do what is correct for the users of this site, not for the crooks, thieves, and liers. My 2 cents for what ever it may be worth.
 
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