Shouldn't Knifes Be Cheap?

A.P.F. said:
Which do you think will last longer through routine sharpening, a softly treated low grade stainless blade or a hardened high end stainless such as S90V? They will both be abraded away eventually, but I think that it is a safe bet that the S90V will be around a lot longer.

All things must pass, but using your proposition above, a Monet and my Granddaughters paintings are the same. They are both 'art', so why shouldn't I prefer the cheaper painting to the more expensive? After all, they are both destined to turn to dust eventually. Do you see where I am going with this? I can't help but feel that your premise is based on a flawed syllogism rather than inductive reasoning.



John, you now owe me a new keyboard and a fresh cup of coffee! :D
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Guess you missed the part of the original post where I admitted my spelling mistake and also admitted to owning (decidedly UN-CHEAP) customs.
As Monet might have said "C'est la vie."
 
udtjim said:
You are in trouble if you count on any tool at any price to bet your life on. A man who can't survive with a Mora, probably wouldn't survive with a tool truck full of Busse's.
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Too true, but how much harder is working with broken equipment. Life is hard and cheap kit makes it harder. It's like trying to convince me K-Mart boots stack up to LOWA or Rocky. I would rather spend $200-$300 on a knife that lasts the next 15-20 years or longer, than something I have to replace every year or sharpen every 5 minutes. My point was if you happen to find yourself in a place where your gear (knife included) can't be easily replaced it would be silly to go cheap. You can always tell who bought a cheap K-Bar knockoff. The flipside of that is if you are not using a knife for self defense or work (police, military etc) than perhaps you should save your money. As stated by other members on this post, there are many fine knives available that will not break the bank. I just think it's a shame to drop the money on a Busse that never gets used or someone who may need a knife for camping or work thinking they can get by with something that will break on the first use.
 
yobbos1 said:
Guess you missed the part of the original post where I admitted my spelling mistake and also admitted to owning (decidedly UN-CHEAP) customs.
As Monet might have said "C'est la vie."
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Perhaps read some of the posts after yours and see how many times others spelled it incorrectly as well.
 
We are all defined by the choices we make. Here's a real killer for you: anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury. Any extra could be spent providing shelter for the homeless and food for the starving. At the end of your life, do you want to fondle that Sebenza you bought fifty years ago, or think about the people who got to live because you paid for a clean well that prevented them from dying from dysentery

TC?
 
anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury.
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You mean like your computer and your internet connection ? Or the hundreds of other things in our lives ? While a Mora might be an ok knife , to say that knife is all that one needs is border line absurd.
 
Hondo.3 said:
We are all defined by the choices we make. Here's a real killer for you: anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury. Any extra could be spent providing shelter for the homeless and food for the starving. At the end of your life, do you want to fondle that Sebenza you bought fifty years ago, or think about the people who got to live because you paid for a clean well that prevented them from dying from dysentery

TC?
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fondle sebenza
 
Deebo said:
Woah there. What about the Tenacious makes it, yes I understand that you don't think it's "complete" junk, a poor knife?
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It feels like a 30 dollar knife.

I understand that to some people all that matters is if it cuts and doesnt close on them, so let me share an analogy with you to fill you in on where Im coming from:

before I was able to buy and cook my own food I would go to McDonalds a few times a month and get a cheeseburger. See, I loves me some cheeseburgers, and I enjoyed them. But eventually I was able to buy fresh ground beef and cheese and buns and fire up a grill and cook away making my very own fresh cheeseburgers. I have not been to McDonalds in 3 years, and the only way I would go back is if I was literally starving and needed food and/or drink and/or help immediately.

I am blessed to be able to carry better knives, knives that I like much, much better, and so I have no desire to own or carry one anymore. To me that makes it a poor knife as much as a McDonald's cheeseburger is a poor cheeseburger to me.

As a side note I quite like spyderco knives, just not that one.
 
Hondo.3 said:
We are all defined by the choices we make. Here's a real killer for you: anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury. Any extra could be spent providing shelter for the homeless and food for the starving. At the end of your life, do you want to fondle that Sebenza you bought fifty years ago, or think about the people who got to live because you paid for a clean well that prevented them from dying from dysentery

TC?
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I'm sorry but I hate people with this state of mind. Yeah the world is a harsh place and some people have it better off than most, but to try and guilt trip those that happen to be better off is an immature move. In some places where people are "starving" they are surrounded with food resources that they refuse to use, so think about that. Sorry to go offtopic but I hate it when people like you pull this crap. :thumbdn:
 
Hondo.3 said:
We are all defined by the choices we make. Here's a real killer for you: anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury. Any extra could be spent providing shelter for the homeless and food for the starving. At the end of your life, do you want to fondle that Sebenza you bought fifty years ago, or think about the people who got to live because you paid for a clean well that prevented them from dying from dysentery

TC?
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Self righteous statement of year....:barf::barf:
 
Hondo.3 said:
We are all defined by the choices we make. Here's a real killer for you: anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury. Any extra could be spent providing shelter for the homeless and food for the starving. At the end of your life, do you want to fondle that Sebenza you bought fifty years ago, or think about the people who got to live because you paid for a clean well that prevented them from dying from dysentery

TC?
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No, it's not a real killer. While I understand living simply and frugally, it does not make those who choose to enjoy life evil as long as they earn it.

If you go down this path, then forget about owning a car, the money can be used to fed the homeless and the poor. Just take a bus everywhere, it accomplishes the same purpose.

Forget about owning a house with multiple bedrooms, living in a cabin will protect you and your family from cold just fine. Indoor plumbing and privacy are luxuries. With the price difference I bet you can feed thousands of people.
 
Sep said:
No, it's not a real killer. While I understand living simply and frugally, it does not make those who choose to enjoy life evil as long as they earn it.

If you go down this path, then forget about owning a car, the money can be used to fed the homeless and the poor. Just take a bus everywhere, it accomplishes the same purpose.

Forget about owning a house with multiple bedrooms, living in a cabin will protect you and your family from cold just fine. Indoor plumbing and privacy are luxuries. With the price difference I bet you can feed thousands of people.
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Lets add in the cost of a computer and peripherals, internet service, and while we're at it, why does anyone need electricity? Mankind survived for a long time before that little luxury came along.
 
redisburning said:
It feels like a 30 dollar knife.

I understand that to some people all that matters is if it cuts and doesnt close on them, so let me share an analogy with you to fill you in on where Im coming from:

before I was able to buy and cook my own food I would go to McDonalds a few times a month and get a cheeseburger. See, I loves me some cheeseburgers, and I enjoyed them. But eventually I was able to buy fresh ground beef and cheese and buns and fire up a grill and cook away making my very own fresh cheeseburgers. I have not been to McDonalds in 3 years, and the only way I would go back is if I was literally starving and needed food and/or drink and/or help immediately.
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So , then why don't you just make your own knives ? ;)
 
I think there's a happy medium that varies according to the individual. I like finding a knife that's of very high quality but not so expensive that I'm reluctant to use it as a hard use tool. For me that's around $100 or less. There have been a few times I've exceeded that mark but they are knives that I still won't hesitate to use. I'd rather use them up and get my money's worth whether that takes a year or 50 years, rather than have them last forever in a safe.
 
redisburning said:
It feels like a 30 dollar knife.
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Care to elaborate on this remark about the Tenacious? Anything specific about it? I think its quality is on-par with more expensive Spyderco models. In fact I almost feel dumb owning the more expensive ones when the Tenacious is so nice...but I need them all :D.
 
Hondo.3 said:
We are all defined by the choices we make. Here's a real killer for you: anything beyond a Mora, Tramontina, or SAK is a luxury. Any extra could be spent providing shelter for the homeless and food for the starving. At the end of your life, do you want to fondle that Sebenza you bought fifty years ago, or think about the people who got to live because you paid for a clean well that prevented them from dying from dysentery

TC?
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I choose to ignore the self-righteous trolls.
 
A lot of people love the Tenacious, especially those folks who never owned a major brand-name knife before. As an introduction to the brand, it's a good knife for $30.

There are a few knocks on the knife, mainly the steel and the bushings.

The steel is the relatively low-end 13Cr8Mov, which I would put on par with 440A or AUS8. A serviceable, but soft steel. Hard to get a hair-splitting edge on, but typical for a $30-$35 knife.

The washers are literally paper-thin, although I've not heard of anyone wearing them out yet.

On the plus side, which far outweigh the disadvantages, are:
1)G10 Scales
2)Drilled for ambidextrous tip up/down carry
3)Skeletonized liners
4)Awesome ergonomics, as good as any Spyderco. That's a bold statement, but this knife just fits the hand well, and is a smooth opening sum b!tch.

If the steel were upgraded and perhaps the bushings, you'd have a better knife, but the point of the Tenacious was to create an entry level knife to the brand, not to create the best knife they make.
 
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AF said:
Care to elaborate on this remark about the Tenacious?
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not really, I have shared my opinion and if I continue to say negative things it will not seem appropriate.

you are free to have your opinion. and I am free to think a tenacious and a paramilitary arent even comparable.

btw the tenacious doesnt have a pivot bushing. it has washers. washers are the flat disks that space the knife blade in the handles, a bushing sits between the blade and the pivot. please refer yourself to this thread
 
Over 40 years ago, when I was setting up my first apartment, I went to the local hardware and bought two Dexter Russells, a large slicer and a large butcher. Might have paid $10-12 for the pair. They've been in daily use since, and I get requests to bring them when I get invited to parties.

They cut. They are bare bones commercial grade with plain riveted wooden handles and are nothing to look at, but they just peel the slices off. Part of that is because I keep my knives sharp, but a large part is that they were built to cut, not look at. At the time I bought them, and maybe still, "carving sets" were big as gifts. A carver, a carving fork, and sometimes a steel, came in a storage case. They were finely fitted and finished, but mighty few of them will cut with my cheap commercial grade knives, even after I have sharpened them.

Quality ain't necessarily connected to price.
 
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