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SHTF rifle prerequisites

i stand fast to the "one is none" theory


this is me...
M1 Carbine...good intermediate weapon..what it lacks in take down it makes up for in accuracy (i am good to 125yds and so is it) and rate of fire, and weight of weapon...hell loaded with a 30 rd mag and two 15 rds mags on the stock it weighs only like 6 lbs....hell thats nothing...and i have crap loads of ammo. the wife can handle this weapon well as it is very similar to her 10-22 so now i can double my firepower and rounds down range.

12 gauge mossberg 590 with modded stock...i have used one for work for years and am very comfortable with it..i am very confident with rifled magnum slugs to 150yds...and it has serious versatility in the ammo digestion department. simple to maintain and operate for sure.

9mm pistol my XD9 service or my Glock17/19
i am a damn good shot and i am a believer in shot placement over bullet displacement, besides...i can load a hell of alot more ammo than the bigger bore weapons and pack out a larger combat load.

this is just me talking here...yeah i love bigger bore stuff and the .45 is an awesome round, hell i own 3 colts and a charles daly .45 but if i have to didi most riki tik i am taking the above three and their according load outs.
 
I have tried several times to pick out one rifle or firearm that would be my go-to gat in a SHTF or Bugout situation. I've even posted several replies on the forum with my opinions in a long, drawn out way explaining why this or why that. (warning: this post will be no different) When it comes down to it. It's like asking what the "best survival knife" is. There are many great firearms, which will perform many tasks better than others. Even with that knowledge and the knowledge of a specific scenario, I wouldn't want one. I want a few in a designated cache.

Disclaimer: Obviously this stuff involves a lot of broad generalization. Specifics would come into play.

Hanguns:
To me, handguns are only useful as a defensive weapon in an environment where other people are concerned. Other than the "urban" setting, I would always rather have a rifle or shotgun. People will argue that a handgun is lighter weight. True, but I could do with a couple more ounces of weight for something much more accurate. The truth is, I'm magnificent with a rifle or a shotgun. Handguns, I have good grouping and can hold my own in a combat situation, but I'm not going to be making any serious accurate shots with one from 50 yards away. Also people would argue that you can't exactly walk around on public trails and such with a rifle or shotgun. A handgun is concealable. True also, but if it's a SHTF situation, I don't care about breaking the law to a certain extent. I will admit that if you're having to defend or be an aggressor, a sidearm is a good thing to keep firing on a target should you happen to run out of ammo for your primary weapon and need to either acquire more, take cover to reload, or pick up an enemy weapon. However, if you're in a group, others can keep firing on a target while you fall back to a position where you can reload your mags and such. There's more to this concerning suppression fire, being specifically engaged as a target, etc., but I won't get into it. So, if it came down to it, you probably wouldn't find a handgun on me in a SHTF situation.

Surplus semi-auto rifles:
I'm a big fan. SKS's and AK's are my bread and butter. Ammo is inexpensive and easy to store. These rifles were made to be simple, accurate to a certain extent, reliable above all else, and sure to go bang. I'll be more addressing SKS's than AK's. These are accurate enough to acquire large game from a distance. They are easy to clean. There are a ton of pros. There are however a few cons. They do require practice and accuracy on the shooters part. If you're not a good shooter, the gun is useless. ammo for these weapons is heavy. Carrying a lot is not a good idea. It would be better to carry only as much as you need for your task and leave the rest in a cache. Re-up when you head out next time. The weapons themselves tend to have a good weight to them. If you don't need to carry one around with you, it's a good idea not to. For anyone who has ever walked around a gunshow with a "for sale" sign on their SKS for more than an hour, you know how heavy they get quick. Doesn't matter if you have them slung or what. When you start out, they weigh only a couple of pounds. After an hour, it weighs fifty pounds. That makes this rifle a good rifle to carry only for the tasks for which you need it. Any other time, leave it in the cache with the ammo.

Rimfire rifles:
GREAT! GREAT! GREAT! These weapons are available in many different sizes, even small enough to be strapped to the side of a pack without in significant impact on weight. Ammo is the least expensive ammo in the world for any firearm (unless you're in Africa. 7.62x39 seems to be free there.) and is the smallest and most easily stored. You can carry much more than your task requires to no ill effect. There are perfectly capable of getting small game and some medium size game including pigs. Now for some cons. Although you can still hit a target very easily with this weapon, it's not an effective battle weapon. It doesn't do sufficient damage quick enough. It's not intimidating when fired. bla bla bla. For a defensive or aggressive situation, a rimfire is better than nothing, but not by much. So, if your SHTF scenario means that you will have to defend, get something bigger. Now, even though this weapon doesn't weigh very much at all in most configurations, it would still be better left with your cache when not being used for a task.

Shotguns:
Most are large, ammo is large, and it's not an effective long range weapon for taking game. However, in a defensive situation, shotguns are hard to beat. Accuracy is not as big of an issue. That is also true with taking short range game. a 12 gauge shotgun will make anything easier. You have to be Annie Oakley to hit a book moving through the air 10 feet from you, but retards with 12 gauges can nail clays all day long from a good distance. I am one of those retards and trust me, moving target means shotgun. Stalking a target and waiting for it to hold still for a good shot = rifle. Moving targets = 12 gauge. Also, let's not forget, 12 gauge ammo is inexpensive as well. As with just about everything else though, other than taking it out for use for a certain task, it's best left in a cache.

Over and under shotgun/rifle combos:
Very cool. Just carry two types of ammo. For everything else, see above. The same characteristics apply.

Moral of the story is this: Have more than one. Keep them in a cache. Take one out at a time for whatever specific task you need to use it for. If you have to change cache locations, be glad you were smart enough to buy slings for them before the local economy and trade system collapsed, and carry all of them to the new cache sight. Then, go back on one-at-a-timin'. In a defensive situation, grab a surplus rifle or shotgun depending on how many targets you're defending against. Right before the "great collapse", sell all of your handguns but one to someone else and use the money for rifle and shotgun ammo.
 
The point of a handgun when the SHTF is NOT that it's lightweight. It's the it's concealable!!! Like I said earlier, if 'it' really does happen, one of the biggest problems will be not getting picked up by authorities, and not getting picked out by criminals. Look like a non-threat to the right people, but like a non-victim to others.

If you've got guns showing (a longarm), then you just because highly suspicious to LEO and you became a great target to a gun-seeking criminal or group of criminals.

Everyone would rather have a longarm, which is why my long arm is able to be stowed in a pack out of site.

Ah, but the handgun! The handgun stays hidden until trouble arises, and then can be quickly brought into play without anyone being able to expect it. If they see your longarm, then they already know what to expect out of you and will be aptly prepared for the meeting.

The above, however, does assume mobility is the state of affairs rather than guarding a stationary area (like your home). Obviously in the home that's all out of the window and the 1919 is getting mounted up.

Edited to add: In the SHTF, are you really going to be 'sniping' people at longer ranges? Hard to be on the defensive but trying to hit targets at 150 yards. Obviously there are 'special' circumstances, but the most likely scenario is bad dudes coming at you when you didn't expect it, up close.
 
You do what you feel is right Spooky. If the occasion arises that I'm required to socialize with others in the scenario in order to re-up, then I'll go concealed. Other than that, I'm holding the fort down with my family and a few friends until we're forced to leave by whatever circumstances, and we're snipin fools and throwin some hot 00 buck! I firmly believe that the amount of time that I am around other people in the SHTF scenario such as police and criminals, either of which could potentially ruin my day, will be a small percentage of my time.

edit: This is a conversation better had over alcoholic beverages. ;)

edit again: come to think of it, not many conversations wouldn't be. hahaha
 
edit: This is a conversation better had over alcoholic beverages. ;)

edit again: come to think of it, not many conversations wouldn't be. hahaha

Now that's always a good idea! :D Didn't mean the topic to come off as confrontational if it did, amigo. I think everyone here is interested in taking care of themselves and their loved ones. :thumbup:
 
Simple, reliable, and one you are good with. Also one that handles standard NATO ammo. I also have a Marlin 45-70 and love it.
 
.22 Bolt action would be my vote. Light and reliable, plus I can carry a few thousand rounds easy.



This would be for a natural disaster situation.
 
What ever you might want, you had better hurry up and get it and the ammo before the Dem's get in office.
 
Do you own one? If so, what kind? what are the most important aspects of a proper SHTF rifle to suit you? is mag capacity a consideration? stopping power? ammo availability?

Marlin 1895 45/70- common as dirt up here.

Do I own one? No, I own about 20. Other than a Ruger 10/22 all of my rifles capable for one or more types of emergencies. Most of my weapon were designed for the sole purpose of killing (as opposed to hunting). Heck, even my trusty hog/deer rifle is an old Swiss K-31 with a scope.

All of the aspects of a rifle you have listed are important.

I also own the Marlin 45-70, as well as a marlin lever in .30-30 and one in .357 mag. All great for one thing or another.

My main all-purpose go-to rifle has got to be the Ruger mini-30. It meets all your needs to the T.
 
Do you have a pic ture of that rifle? One of the coolest looking semi auto rifles ever, IMHO.
I always liked the look of the socom'd M-14s I was seeing but I always thought, why not leave the wood on it? Then someone posted a pic of a tanker and I fell in love.:D
Is it an expensive job for a gunsmith to chop a barrel?

PM Sent brother
 
SHTF Rifle for me would be one of my SKSs or one if my 22s. Ammo is cheap and the SKS is about as durable gun as you can need and it will take down pretty much anything in the lower 48.
 
It has to be cheap and replaceable
Ammo needs to be cheap and readily available
It has to be able to kill humans, deer, and hogs
It has to have removable magazines
It has to be reliable when other guns aren't

There's a reason I own more than a few AK's. My favorite firearm platform bar none.
 
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