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mckrob said:
I agree, I think that while Jerry's got the CNC machines programmed and running, he just makes extras to make it worth his while, there can't be much money in running small military custom orders, and he is running a business after all (and kudos to Jerry for doing this, I know we all appreciate it !)
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There is a member here, forget his name, I think he posts more in the Swamp, that has a diferent take on the situation. He has concluded that military orders are now the primary business of the Busse group, and the sales to the likes of us are just gravy, the fun stuff.

Who knows, who cares? We just know that we like the knives, the Company behind them, and the company here. :thumbup: 'Nuff said!
 
kuribo said:
I think your question is a good one. I have often wondered exactly how these military contract knives are distributed. Does the government order them and then sell them through the PX, or are they simply issued directly? I have talked with dozens of service people and none have seen them for sale or heard of anyone issued one....It would be interesting to learn exactly how it works.....
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it appears (I'm just reasoning here rather then drawing from specific statements) that small teams in the 15-200 range (knife units) (based on available over-run numbers per model) purchase them, rather then larger broad military contracts such as for a standard issue bayonet. It seems that the orders are placed by individual superiors for distribution to their individual units.


some of the things that are lacking in busse's "hype" machine as it is normally seen in other companies is a description of the knife that is directly related to combat; a direct statement as to what type of military unit or branch initially purchased the knife, use of descriptors regarding how fighting knives are used and to what effect, and the use of military use as a qualifier for the knifes inherent quality.



when a "fighting knife" is sold or introduced, the comments on how it is used are limited and generally to the point, something to the effect of 'the flying serrations cut through clothing very efficiently'.

when military models are introduced, often times they are not specifically stated as belonging to any particular unit. on the rare occasion that it is, it is presented as belonging to that unit for a specific purpose and pretty much left at that. 2 examples being the terror monkey line, and the eu17 line. as I recall the terror monkey line was for an isreali repelling unit, and the eu17 was deduced as being for an extraction team. I'm pretty sure that in both cases information on what type of unit the blades were made for had to be researched, found, and speculated upon by forum members because the information was not readily given.

and I don't recall jerry ever making the claim that because his knives are used by the military, they are high quality. Every thing I have seen shows that his scientific pursuit of specific metallurgical properties has resulted in a steel that stands on its own in quality. This is completely separate from any thing connected to the military.



So if his marketing of military orders is there to increase demand for his knives, its a pretty sparse marketing scheme that could easily be made more effective with fleshed out information.

and I stand by the idea that if indeed the limited information is given solely to increase interest (rather than because whatever unit purchased the knives is requesting privacy) - then good. As I stated before I am not interested or able to track down evidence to prove or contradict their use or purchase by military units, I can only look at it from a civilian perspective with my experience coming from owning and using the knives themselves.

If I gain interest by their presented use by military orders - I come to purchase a knife that will never chip, is corrosion resistant, takes a great deal of force to bend, will take a set before breaking and will actually bend first rather then simply breaking without any indicator of excessive stress, is very very very difficult to break by hand, and is easy to sharpen.

Given that jerry does not run the idea of his knives being military based into the ground (as shown by the lack of marketing ploys mentioned above) like other companies have (an easy target being dark ops) - I do not feel that it is a determining factor in whether or not I purchase the knife given that I like the physical properties of the product itself.




without talking to jerry directly or being able to send inquiries to military units, all that I can personally discuss is the properties of the knives themselves, or the validity of a marketing campaign being of a specific type, or moral position. I wish I could help with the evidence, but I'm not entirety sure that I would even if I was able to.
 
Micky said:
To address the part I highlighted in Red. If Jerry were lying about his supplying military contracts ( which I am sure he is not ) it would be a very big deal. It wouldn't change the quality of his knives, but it would say alot about his values and ethics as well as those associated with him professionally, and turn alot of people away from his products. Then we could have multiple threads going in GB&U about Jerry. It would put him in the same special place in hell another famed knife maker will end up for his lies and half truths concerning military matters.:thumbdn: :barf:
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agreed. Wich is why the intial question asked that started all this is worth recognition. Until such evidence is presented, I will continue to take jerry's word at face value, as I have seen nothing so far that would have me do otherwise. If ever such evidence is indeed presented, I will aslo take it at face value and reposition my understanding and opinions accordingly.
 
Micky said:
Let me start by saying that there is no dought in my mind that Jerry supplies knives to military and paramilitary units under contract. As alot of you know I also own a number of Busse Knives as well as rats. Not quite enough yet :eek: , but still quite a few.

To address the part I highlighted in Red. If Jerry were lying about his supplying military contracts ( which I am sure he is not ) it would be a very big deal. It wouldn't change the quality of his knives, but it would say alot about his values and ethics as well as those associated with him professionally, and turn alot of people away from his products. Then we could have multiple threads going in GB&U about Jerry. It would put him in the same special place in hell another famed knife maker will end up for his lies and half truths concerning military matters.:thumbdn: :barf:

In closing let me reitterate that I firmly believe in Jerry, Eric, Dan and the knives that are produced by Busse combat.
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I guess my point was that Jerry has no need to use the military angle to lend credibility to his product... so why would he lie about it.

But you are right... LP is probably questioning Jerry's integity more than the capability of his product.

Me personally, I believe Jerry... he has never given me any reason to question his integrity... and like I said, he has no need for that kind of crutch.

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illusive, wich is why the image is in black and white, ultra high contrast - it was taken at night. The blade had a red g10 handle and a brighter version of the standard od-green camo.

they will build the coffin they put you in, and make the cookies for your funeral. the keebler army only buys the best of the best.
 

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illusive, wich is why the image is in black and white, ultra high contrast - it was taken at night. The blade had a red g10 handle and a brighter version of the standard od-green camo.

they will build the coffin they put you in, and make the cookies for your funeral. the keebler army only buys the best of the best.
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LMAO!:thumbup:
 
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(this particular military order was not offered to the public, and the kgb-1 only very reluctantly allowed the images of the unfinished blades to be publically photographed.)
 
Last Visible Canary said:
note: kgb-1 photograph is to scale

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(this particular military order was not offered to the public, and the kgb-1 only very reluctantly allowed the images of the unfinished blades to be publically photographed.)
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Thanks, I have to clean beer and saliva off my computer area now!:eek:
 
Let me tell you, I served two years in two different military prep schools (CMA & SMA) during the Vietnam conflict (67-69) and if I could have gotten a Busse at that time I would have. Unfortunately the closest I got to a combat blade was being beaten with an officer's saber a few times. I went in a Private and I came out a Private. Now I carry Busse AS and I have an officer's saber in my gun locker, where he can never get to it!
 
Guyon said:
I went back and reread both threads. Actually, LittlePrick was pretty respectful in the first one, despite his annoying repetition of "SHOW ME THE PICTURE!"

It was only in this thread that the tone turned uglier, and he started accusing folks of a coverup and of getting some sort of kickbacks from Busse.

Billy Tee, on the other hand, has had his panties in a wad since day one, when Busse Combat apparently wouldn't take his international credit card.
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i think you and i have similar responses to the trolls when they appear here, or anywhere.

i thought his first post, though perhaps not outright rude, contained obvious hints of disrespect.

the calling of bs being the most telling. it was passive aggressive, and afforded him the defense of "i mean no disrespect, but..."
 
rabu9 said:
I'll second (Eric's post above about international customers that is) that as I have bought knives from the Swamp and Busse and all sent to Japan. I used Paypal (much safer than Credit Cards online even if there is a % charge) and never had any problems. Originally they (Busse and the Swamp) told me about their non-acceptance of international Credit Cards so I just selected an alternative payment method and Paypal is just as easy. And by the way the Busse Company Store does accept international credit cards as I bought from them too and used my credit card issued in Japan.

Now as to the military orders - who cares? If the knives are good buy them - if not then don't. And you can see how good they are by all the clips posted here and elsewhere. If that looks good then again buy them - if not then don't. Admittedly I don't post here that much but I view a lot and the video clips speak for themselves on the subject of the quality of the knives. That's what got me interested in the knives, not whether some military outfit bought them or not. So to attack the knives on the grounds of the so-called 'military marketing' (wrongly or rightly) seems to miss the point (pardon the pun - couldn't resist). And on the grounds of quality I have no complaints - and you CAN get them sent overseas. Just my two yen's worth, which at present exchange rates isn't worth much - unlike the knives!
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I have to agree with rabu9. Let the knives speak for themselves, and if you have both served, I appreciate your service to our country. Live Free or Die Hard
 
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illusive, wich is why the image is in black and white, ultra high contrast - it was taken at night. The blade had a red g10 handle and a brighter version of the standard od-green camo.

they will build the coffin they put you in, and make the cookies for your funeral. the keebler army only buys the best of the best.
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Someone needs to eradicate this thread. Otherwise, the KGB-1 will be coming after everyone who's viewed it.

And they know who looked. They have Elven ways you don't dare dream of.

Great, now I have to sleep with an AK under my pillow.
 
After reading through the thread,I must applaud all of you Hogs,L.p. is a troll.(as if his user name did'nt give it away)
none of you took his baiting....Never feed the trolls...
As a new piglett and non pay'n member,I've managed to participate in the last Ganzas,winning three dif. blades.Buy a couple, including my favorite a HHFSH unmarked mag handle,from a fellow formite.Check the BCS,purchase a couple,miss out a lot more...Now I want a Keebler blade when Jerry & the crew Bring Em !!!
 
I second the vote for the "Coiner of the -- The Cookie Cutter" getting the #1 L.E. Edition... MotorHed66 :D

At cost or a bottle of the finest ;)
 
resinguy said:
There is a member here, forget his name, I think he posts more in the Swamp, that has a diferent take on the situation. He has concluded that military orders are now the primary business of the Busse group, and the sales to the likes of us are just gravy, the fun stuff.

Who knows, who cares? We just know that we like the knives, the Company behind them, and the company here. :thumbup: 'Nuff said!
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Well, yeah!

I'm sure a few remember some years back when the Busse Combat site was down for something like 9 months, virtually NO civilian sales and Busse kept on pretty much 24/7.

Perhaps Skunk was just stocking up! LOL

You know what they say about assume.

Everyone SEEMS to be assuming that it is just the United States Military getting all the Busse's.

There are quite a few nations with militarys and more than a few are our allies and some of them might like quality blades. What a concept!

4 or 5 years ago, there seemed to be a lot of SHSH's and SHBA's coming out of OZ. Odd place for such a concentration ya think?

Or the BM's that were spotted in a VERY remote area of Africa?

Think a little more globally.

Rob
 
the MOACC LE satin and snakeskin at cost please...NOBODY wants to see me drink again haha...I would also have a pass around...LP isnt invited.
 
Guyon said:
I went back and reread both threads. Actually, LittlePrick was pretty respectful in the first one, despite his annoying repetition of "SHOW ME THE PICTURE!"
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I beg to differ. He basically called Busse Combat a Liar.


#1 Yesterday, 02:31 PM
LittlePrick
Registered User Join Date: May 2006
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Military photo op

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"There have been alot of claims on this site (from customers mostly) of Busse knives being produced mainly for the military, and for the general public as a secondary concern. I am somewhat skeptical of this only due to the cost associated with these beautiful knives, and military budget concerns. It does however sound like clever marketing; and works well in concert with Busse's economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand.

Does anyone have any pictures of Busse knives in use/posession of military men or women? I'm calling b.s. - somebody prove this LittlePrick wrong with a photo."
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