Sick of hearing this!

I concider my knives as both tools and weapons. We live in a world where we need both tools and weapons. To believe that we do not need weapons anymore is only to kid and lie to ourselves. It has been always a dangerous world, and it will always be a dangerous world. Only a fool would believe it is safe. Unfortunately the sheeple preach that the world is safe, and many believe it is so. They can pass all the damn laws and threats as they like, but it will not intimidate me to be obedient to the sheeple shit. I carry whatever I want to carry. Period.

"Laws are nothing but documents on paper written by some person you do not even know. It serves as a means for this person/lobby group to further their interests at the expense of others."
 
Wow, this is a direct quote from another forum, I'm definitely tired of people saying this,

"a 4.5 inch fixed blade is not a pocket knife, and what could you possibly need a 4" folder for? My pocket knife is a 2.5" folder. I have a 5.5" fixed that I take camping/night hiking, but that's just for my own peace of mind. There's no reason to carry anything bigger than 3" on a daily basis unless you're stabbing people. "

Apparently He's never seen the LARGE Ti-Lite, or the MOD Mk1...
 
Bufford said:
I concider my knives as both tools and weapons. We live in a world where we need both tools and weapons. To believe that we do not need weapons anymore is only to kid and lie to ourselves. It has been always a dangerous world, and it will always be a dangerous world. Only a fool would believe it is safe. Unfortunately the sheeple preach that the world is safe, and many believe it is so. They can pass all the damn laws and threats as they like, but it will not intimidate me to be obedient to the sheeple shit. I carry whatever I want to carry. Period.

"Laws are nothing but documents on paper written by some person you do not even know. It serves as a means for this person/lobby group to further their interests at the expense of others."
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Well put, a knife CAN be used as a weapon, but should be classified as a tool.
 
allenC said:
What about this knife?
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agree entirely.

Some knives are tools that could be used as weapons.
Some knives are weapons that could be used as tools.

The real difference is that almost all tools can be also used as weapons without abusing them, but hardly any weapons can be also used as tools without abusing them.

I don't think weapons should be banned. As Plato said (something like) "good men don't need laws, and bad men will find ways around laws".
But I also don't think there's much point trying to claim that all knives are tools not weapons. Some knives are clearly designed as weapons, but that doesn't mean we can't collect them or even carry them; what's the problem with people wanting to carry a weapon? It's almost akin to banning people from going to the gym because big muscles mean you can hurt people.

rant over.
 
Although some combat knives are designed specifically for humans, their actual use in combat is rarely claimed, much less documented. The linked example is reputed to break rather easily at the tip and guard.

Brings up the whole point of using a knife as a weapon - it's a poor choice on the battlefield, or on the street. I believe that if it was an effective weapon, I would have gotten a lot more training on it than the zero hours dedicated. I spent hours in hand to hand, days shooting at the range, weeks on various systems, and months learning to manage and lead soldiers. Even my training in GTMO was spent looking for shivs - not trying to defeat someone - and doing that bare hand when necessary.

I've long considered a knife was a weapon - it can be so - but is visually a tool of intimidation (usually for old white HR females.) I don't cut boxes open with my handgun, so I won't attempt to defend myself with a knife. The root cause of the sheeple thinking it's a weapon is that we contribute to the delusion. I no longer want to help them think that way. So, yeah, I'm tired of hearing it too.

Now I'm going to go outside and cut concrete blocks for the fireplace. The diamond saw's worn out, so I'll use my new SnG.
 
Brings up the whole point of using a knife as a weapon - it's a poor choice on the battlefield, or on the street. I believe that if it was an effective weapon, I would have gotten a lot more training on it than the zero hours dedicated.
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Training doctrine is often decided by those who are simply ignorant.
At one time the US Army ceased teaching hand-to-hand altogether....a decision that was later revised.

On the battlefield...yes, a knife is a poor weapon to be sure.
Just as a revolver or pistol is also a poor weapon on most battlefields.
IMO, the best weapons for the battlefield are air support and "arty"!

But that does not mean that knives are not effective weapons.
If they were not effective, they would have fell out of use many centuries ago.
There's no getting around it....knives are deadly.
That's why cops will shoot anyone who advances on them while carrying a knife!
The fact is this: even a 220 lbs rock-hard thug can be easily killed by a 110 lbs "soccer mom" if she cuts his femoral or coratid arteries.
And those arteries are not too deep....even a Swiss Army knife is sufficient.
 
Nordic Viking said:
Part of the problem is knife manufacturers that give their knives non-utilitarian names (and shapes), when catering to the mall-ninja market.
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I think you're having a main point here! There a so many 'tactical knives'
being advertised in the hands of mean looking 'martial arts instructors'
or with pictures of 'special operations soldiers', that it is not hard to imagin
what non knives people think of it.These are not knives to peel an apple with,but "build for the kill", There's a tool for every job ( I think). Just toughts:rolleyes:
 
do you consider the MOD Mark IV Stinger a weapon or tool?

Yea, the Sykes is specifically a weapon, but I do not consider it a knife, as there is no edge. I'm guessing y'all disagree, but thats my arguement...
 
hkbladelawhk said:
do you consider the MOD Mark IV Stinger a weapon or tool?

Yea, the Sykes is specifically a weapon, but I do not consider it a knife, as there is no edge. I'm guessing y'all disagree, but thats my arguement...
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I think you're misinformed.
The Sykes dagger certainly does have an edge...two edges in fact!
 
hkbladelawhk said:
Wow, this is a direct quote from another forum, I'm definitely tired of people saying this,

"a 4.5 inch fixed blade is not a pocket knife, and what could you possibly need a 4" folder for? My pocket knife is a 2.5" folder. I have a 5.5" fixed that I take camping/night hiking, but that's just for my own peace of mind. There's no reason to carry anything bigger than 3" on a daily basis unless you're stabbing people. "

Apparently He's never seen the LARGE Ti-Lite, or the MOD Mk1...
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Whoever said that is a complete idiot.

There is no shortage of useless people.
 
Yes, I get sick and tired of it as well.

BUT: I also get DAMNED SICK AND TIRED of people referring to guns as "weapons." I've owned all types of guns all of my life, and always considered them tools or recreational equipment.

I've never shot anybody in my life, and I see no difference between my AR-15and my golf clubs. Neither of them have ever harmed anyone.

Anythng can be used as a weapon by a miscreant. Even an automobile!
 
Ben Dover said:
Yes, I get sick and tired of it as well.

BUT: I also get DAMNED SICK AND TIRED of people referring to guns as "weapons." I've owned all types of guns all of my life, and always considered them tools or recreational equipment.
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um... im pretty sure we specificly invented the firearm to kill things.

to kill our food, so we can live.
and to kill those that would harm us...so we can live.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
So it isn't a weapon, it is a life support unit :D :thumbup:
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Exactly. Don't un-plug me! The "anything can be used as a weapon" argument is good. It puts knives in perspective, along with pencils, shoes, cars, anything that can be misused. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of weaponizing being done by the knife industry to take advantage of a trend.
 
A knife is no more a weapon than a common carpenters hammer. Anything can become a weapon provided it is used with the intent to harm.
 
Well, maybe someday someone comes up with a new description for the weapon to tool quotient of an item, but until then some things have a higher ratio than others.

For example: I am pretty sure you can use a nuclear warhead to hammer a nail into a wall, but still ... :-)
Same goes for guns, though they have a recreative use of course (do bombs have one too? :rolleyes: ).

That being said, I still like my knives. :D

-Connor
 
I find it to be strange and perhaps even a little "sheeple-ish" that so many here are uncomfortable admitting that their knives are also weapons.

I carry my knives for cutting things AND for self-defense.
My knife is both a tool AND a weapon.
And I'm not ashamed to say so.
 
Hey Allen...

I may or may not carry a knife as a weapon,, however I'd never admit to it in public..:)

I think ,,for me anyway,, it's been hammered into me because of laws that a knife is a tool, admitting to it as a weapon leads to cofiscation of said knife and possible charges laid.. So therefor,, I never carry weapons,, only knives...

A knife only becomes a weapon if it is intended to be used as a weapon...

Best way I can explain it..

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
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