Snake identification?

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So, after coming across the (very graphic) snakebite pictures: http://www.rattlesnakebite.org/rattlesnakepics.htm

I definitely want to work on being able to better identify snakes. Any suggestions? I really don't come into contact with snakes very much. And when I do. I have some books on wilderness medicine, but they are fairly basic I feel.

I'd really like a lot of pictures, since I don't see many snakes.

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wow!

glad we dont have those here

i shud send these pics to sum ppl who need to lose weight, coz my appetite is over
 
Naked, do a search on Google or some other reliable search engine for a Herpetofaunal Atlas or Summary with your state's name in font of it and see what you find. For example if I search for Kansas Herpetofaunal Atlas I get this: http://webcat.fhsu.edu/ksfauna/herps/ They usually have excellent descriptions and pictures.
 
You'd think that the most bitten area would be the leg.

Maybe it is. But it seems to me that nearly everything I have read recently about snake bites involved people getting bit on the hand.

When I am in the woods I always pay attention to piles of wood, look under rocks before I set down on them, and look over logs before I step over them.

Normally if I am going thru fairly overgrown trail I take my hiking poles and sort of part the vegetation out before I go thru.
 
ppl seem to disagree wether its a good or bad thing to suck the poison out of the wound

so is it or isnt it?

and a tourniquet? good or bad thing?
 
I'd reccomend getting a field guide to the snakes that are indigenous to the areas you'll be, a field guide with actual picture (such as an audobon field guide) are preferable Imho than ones with drawn pictures... if this is something you are afraid of than there is no better weapon than knowledge...by familiarizing yourself with all species of snakes in your area you'll learn to discern the dangerous one from the harmless ones, and can learn to enjoy seein either in thier natural habitat from a distance. that being said there are supposedly only for species of venomous snakes wiht in the us. those being the rattlesnake the water moccasin (cotton mouth) the coral snake, and the copperhead. within this however there are many subspecies particularly among the rattle snake. hope that helps become an amautre snake expert, read everything you can in your free time. the more you know the more you'll be able to avoid them. JMOYMV
 
The Audubon Guide to North American Reptiles and Amphibions would be a good place
to start.
I's also highly recommend books by Schmidt & Davis, and Ditmars.

Disregard statements/beliefs that "They ALWAYS/NEVER do........)...Read......watch...
and remember always.....You're in HIS HOME......
 
NEPHIL both are not reccomended if you have a small micro lesion or abbrasion in your mouth your just making the situation worse if you put on a true tourniquette you WILL lose the limb The boy in the story still retained his limb although I'm sure it is damaged but once the circulation is cut off to a particular area (as in a tourniquette) the limb is unsalvageble. I've seen people pit tourneys on allsorts of minor injuries and as a result have lost fingers and sone all sorts of damage. washing the wound with soap and water and putting a LOOSE band above the site will help delay the spread of venom which actually travels more through the more superfical lymphatic system than the bloodstream. Also remaining calm and actively trying to keep your heart rate down (easier sad than done) will help delay the spread of venom. but again I am not a doctor or a herpetologist..I'm strictly a weekend warrior, som other more experienced opinions may differ.
 
I have a friend who is an Emergency Medicine specialist and he just recently got back from a Wilderness Medicine conference where there were quite a few speakers on snakebite.

He said that the consensus was that sucking out the poision didn't work.

Now online I've seen a few articles that said that "Sawyer Extractor" helped remove SOME of the venom if put on w/in 3 min but he said that they said no. Just try to keep the person calm as possible and get them to the doctor asap.
 
so just washing it and staying as calm as possible then?

but wudnt u be able to get more venom out of the wound if u sucked it out? so u risk losing ur face that way then?
 
If the venom is not injected directly into a vein, the bulk of it will
be injested by surrounding tissue. Once this occurs, suction will
not get it out. Calmness, isolation of the bite, and an ice pack (if
available), and transport.....
Venom is a protein. one which our cells see as food, but once the
protein is inside the cell, the cell can't break it down. It distroys the
cell. When skin/muscle absorb venom (hemotoxin) it causes the
kind of swelling and tissue distruction we saw in the photos. When
red blood cells absorb the same sort of venom they too are distroyed
from within. The victim may die from suffocation, due to the blood's
inability to deliver oxygen.
Hemotoxic venom primarily attacks the blood, and is found in
Rattlesnakes, Cottonmouths, and Copperheads.
Neurotoxic venom is forund in Coralsnakes, and does pretty much
the same thing to the central nervous system,that hemotoxic
venom does to red blood cells.
 
Am I recalling correctly that something like 1% of snake bites are fatal?

Here's some text that supposrts what has been said above:


Venomous snakebites, although uncommon, are a potentially deadly emergency in the United States. Rattlesnakes cause most snakebites and related fatalities. Venomous snakes in the United States can be classified as having hemotoxic or neurotoxic venom. Patients with venomous snakebites present with signs and symptoms ranging from fang marks, with or without local pain and swelling, to life-threatening coagulopathy, renal failure, and shock. First-aid techniques such as arterial tourniquets, application of ice, and wound incisions are ineffective and can be harmful; however, suction with a venom extractor within the first five minutes after the bite may be useful. Conservative measures, such as immobilization and lymphatic constriction bands, are now advocated until emergency care can be administered. Patients with snakebites should undergo a comprehensive work-up to look for possible hematologic, neurologic, renal, and cardiovascular abnormalities. Equine-derived antivenin is considered the standard of care; however, a promising new treatment is sheep-derived antigen binding fragment ovine (CroFab), which is much less allergenic. Although there is no universal grading system for snakebites, a I through IV grading scale is clinically useful as a guide to antivenin administration. Surgical intervention with fasciotomy is now reserved for rare cases. Snakebite prevention should be taught to patients. (Am Fam Physician 2002; 65:1367-74,1377. Copyright© 2002 American Academy of Family Physicians.)
 
Here's an interesting article from a local paper.

May 04, 2006
‘It wasn’t the snake’s fault’


Inattentive hunter survives encounter with timber rattler
By John McCoy
Staff writer


As he reached across a fallen log to gather a handful of moss, Paul Harvey felt something sting the back of his right hand.

Harvey swiveled his head to find the source of the sting, and what he saw chilled his blood — the catlike pupils and the flickering black tongue of a 5-foot timber rattlesnake.

“I knew right away that I was in trouble,” said the semi-retired coal miner. “The nearest phone was 45 minutes’ drive away, and no one was around to help me.”

Today, a full week after the snake struck, Harvey still feels the bite’s aftereffects. His right hand remains swollen and sore, his right arm bruised nearly to the armpit from internal hemorrhaging. His blood platelet count remains abnormal.

But at least he’s alive, a prospect that looked pretty iffy on the morning of April 27.

“I went out that morning with three things in mind,” Harvey said. “Hunting for turkeys, hunting for mushrooms and hunting for moss.”

snip

“I wasn’t watching what I was doing,” he said. “I reached across a log to grab a piece of moss, but I had my head turned the wrong way and couldn’t see where I was reaching.”

The rattler nailed him as soon as his hand came into range.

“It didn’t start rattling until after it bit,” Harvey said. “Then it started buzzing up a storm.”

The two fang marks on Harvey’s hand measured at least an inch and a half apart.


“That was a big snake,” said the 55-year-old. “It was very dark, almost black, and its head was the size of my fist. Its body was as thick as my forearm. Coiled up, it was the size of a No. 3 washtub.”

Before he’d covered the 25 yards back to his truck, Harvey began to feel the venom’s effects.

“My lips and the tips of my fingers started to tingle,” he said. “By the time I’d driven a mile, my peripheral vision was gone and everything ahead of me started to go blurry, just as if I was looking into the sun. Then I started getting nauseated.”

For nearly 20 minutes, Harvey fought to control the truck as dizziness and waves of nausea racked his body. “I’d drive a while, then pull over and throw up for a while,” he said.

Still less than halfway to the nearest civilization, Harvey realized that his situation had become dire. Stopped beside the road in his truck, he wondered if he’d get out of the predicament alive.

“That’s when my friend came along,” he said.

Roger Kiser, a fellow turkey hunter from Swiss, pulled up behind Harvey’s truck to see what the problem was. “I told him I’d been bitten by a rattlesnake,” Harvey said. “He drove me the rest of the way to safety.”

snip

They stopped in Koontz Bottom to call an ambulance. The ambulance took Harvey as far as Gauley Bridge, where a HealthNet helicopter picked him up and flew him to Charleston Area Medical Center.

“By then, I was slipping in and out of consciousness,” Harvey said. “I don’t remember much about the flight. All I saw was the sky.”

Doctors at CAMC began pumping antivenin into him almost as soon as he arrived.

snip

The treatments pulled him through. He said his still-abnormal platelet count might spur doctors to administer more antivenin before they discharge him, but he hopes to return home “pretty soon.”

“I can’t wait to get back into the woods,” he said. “It wasn’t the snake’s fault that I got bit. I stuck my hand right where he was. The difference between this and all the other close calls I’ve had is that I was more careless.

“I can tell you one thing, though. I’ll sure have a more respect for what rattlesnakes can do to me this time around.”
 
Yes they can bite through leather gloves (and boots), unless they're
especially designed to be "snake proof).

I've spent M A N Y days (and nights) hunting and collecting snakes,
and the only time I was ever bitten by a poisonous snake was in
the lab....and there too It was my own fault...a momentary lapse
of attention.
 
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