Snakes are great...Finn Wolf, not so much...

[Tachead01]

But that's precisely what you did by saying "Most large knife companies are in it to make money man, not make quality knives."

If you don't think CS makes a quality knife then that is certainly relevant to the discussion at hand. Many would agree. Personally I think they make a great "starter" knife that clearly satisfies the needs of many, many people. Clearly this one is a clinker. And many small makers have done that too.

But dropping a broad, generalized, unsubstantiated bomb like you did? :thumbdn: Maybe you should mention that theory to Mr Glesser.

I did not say all large companies man, I said most. You putting words into my mouth. I am aware Sal has a true passion for knives, not all large companies do. After all, they all make knives to make money as well. Look at Benchmade, their quality has definitely went down I've the last bunch of years. I suspect due to them trying to increase their bottom line.

 

[RedLynx]

I did not say all large companies man, I said most. You putting words into my mouth. I am aware Sal has a true passion for knives, not all large companies do. After all, they all make knives to make money as well. Look at Benchmade, their quality has definitely went down I've the last bunch of years. I suspect due to them trying to increase their bottom line.

Can't say I've tried a lot of Benchmades over the years, but my Barrage, Griptilian and Adamas have been super amazing, and I still have the latter two.

I think part of the issue is the whole MAP thing, pricing relating to what you get, more so than the quality of their knives has actually decreased. But that's just me.

Even as a somewhat more seasoned knife guy, I gotta agree with Marcinek that Cold Steel makes a great starter, and at a good price point too. Still like using many of my Cold Steels. While money might be the overall goal, as it is with most any company, I think they are truly passionate. Just consider the letter written in response to the whole CRKT virtual fixed blade debacle. Sure, in a way that, too, could impact the bottom line, but I also think it was a heartfelt and concerned letter over more than just business.

 

[stabman]

Can't say I've tried a lot of Benchmades over the years, but my Barrage, Griptilian and Adamas have been super amazing, and I still have the latter two.

I think part of the issue is the whole MAP thing, pricing relating to what you get, more so than the quality of their knives has actually decreased. But that's just me.

I haven't noticed a decline either.
I haven't bought many of them due to the higher street price, but when I check them out at the store, they still seem good.

I'm thinking of getting this knife when cash rolls in:

[video=youtube;0USK_0SsQ8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USK_0SsQ8c[/video]

 

[RedLynx]

I haven't noticed a decline either.
I haven't bought many of them due to the higher street price, but when I check them out at the store, they still seem good.

I'm thinking of getting this knife when cash rolls in:

[video=youtube;0USK_0SsQ8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USK_0SsQ8c[/video]

Any knife with a name like tree frog is probably worth it.

 

[marcinek]

I did not say all large companies man, I said most. You putting words into my mouth. I am aware Sal has a true passion for knives, not all large companies do. After all, they all make knives to make money as well. Look at Benchmade, their quality has definitely went down I've the last bunch of years. I suspect due to them trying to increase their bottom line.

"Most" and "not all" are different things things, and all we have gotten is your take on 2 large knife companies, and those takes seem pretty unsubstantiated.

 

[stabman]

Any knife with a name like tree frog is probably worth it.

Exactly!

The "lock" is the steel pins that go through the frame.
One might say it makes it into a virtual fixed blade.

I don't have a folder with O1 steel, so that makes it worth getting right there.
Now I just need the money gods to smile upon me so I can get it while it's on sale.

 

[ocnLogan]

Amen. Not only that, but there are many excellent stainless steels that give performance similar to that found in simple carbon steels except with the added corrosion resistance.

True story. Opinel and Mora can both make good blades out of stainless with no apparent problems.

Although, not sure how many of the lower cost stainless steels out there are suitable for high impact work, which might be why most machetes, axes, and large "chopper" knives are typically out of a carbon steel of some sort. I know there are stainless steels out there that are quite good, but in the amount needed for some of those tools it would likely get a bit costly.

That's just conjecture though.

And thanks for confirming my other post about moras being scandi ground. I was always confused when that was stated. And I guess mine either came as a "true" scandi, or I sharpened through any tiny microbevel before I ever thought to check for it. Either way, its a true scandi now.

And stabman... baby snakes are pretty cool. I'm always amazed how much baby reptiles just look like tiny full sized ones, where baby mammals sometimes are all hairless, blind, useless, etc. Given, puppies and kittens are cute and fun, its just they don't pop out looking exactly like their adult versions, just scaled down :/.

And I'm glad you salvaged the blade. Even though its cheap, I hate to waste money on things.

 

[stabman]

And stabman... baby snakes are pretty cool. I'm always amazed how much baby reptiles just look like tiny full sized ones, where baby mammals sometimes are all hairless, blind, useless, etc. Given, puppies and kittens are cute and fun, its just they don't pop out looking exactly like their adult versions, just scaled down :/.

And I'm glad you salvaged the blade. Even though its cheap, I hate to waste money on things.

They sure do look just like mini versions of their full-sized selves.

I think the knife will work out okay in the long run.
It just has a head start on looking used, that's all. :thumbup:

 

[Tachead01]

"Most" and "not all" are different things things, and all we have gotten is your take on 2 large knife companies, and those takes seem pretty unsubstantiated.

Not really man. Most as in more then not but, "not all". And, I told you, we are talking about CS here. I didnt even want to get into other companies. This thread is about CS. My opinion is that you get what you pay for. And, CS is more about making money then making quality knives. They have never even made their own knives, they have an absolute crap warranty compared to other companies, they have mediocre design and quality control, and they seem to spend most of their time making videos that advocate knife violence putting our hobby as a whole at risk. Imo they don't care about knives, they care about profits and that is not the kind of company I want to buy a knife from nor give my hard earned money to. This thread is just another example of their shortcomings.


I say support companies that actually can make knives, have a passion for them, and want to give their customers the best service/support they can.

 

[stabman]

This thread is just another example of their shortcomings.

Have you used their knives?
In general, they work out pretty good, which is why I bought the knife.
It's also why I was surprised at the edge damage during relatively light use.

 

[ocnLogan]

Have you used their knives?
In general, they work out pretty good, which is why I bought the knife.
It's also why I was surprised at the edge damage during relatively light use.

Any luck finding out if this was one of the first production runs? I have heard that a first batch or so went out that did this, and that they have fixed it now (its what I hear anyway). Might be worth looking into, as you might be able to get them to swap it for you if you feel strongly enough about it.

 

[Tachead01]

Have you used their knives?
In general, they work out pretty good, which is why I bought the knife.
It's also why I was surprised at the edge damage during relatively light use.

Yep, a few different models too. The price is their biggest appeal but, I was always let down for one reason or another. I found that there are better options through trial and error. I sold them all and am much happier with other companies offerings and business practices.

 

[marcinek]

Not really man. Most as in more then not but, "not all". And, I told you, we are talking about CS here. I didnt even want to get into other companies. This thread is about CS. My opinion is that you get what you pay for. And, CS is more about making money then making quality knives. They have never even made their own knives, they have an absolute crap warranty compared to other companies, they have mediocre design and quality control, and they seem to spend most of their time making videos that advocate knife violence putting our hobby as a whole at risk. Imo they don't care about knives, they care about profits and that is not the kind of company I want to buy a knife from nor give my hard earned money to. This thread is just another example of their shortcomings.


I say support companies that actually can make knives, have a passion for them, and want to give their customers the best service/support they can.

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion about CS. But you went out of your way to lump "most" large knife companies in with them, and backed that claim down to Benchmade. How is Benchmade's product similar to the claims you are making about CS?

 

[Sunyata]

You don't even need a super steel. My Scandi blades are SK5 carbon steel and 12c27. Both will go a long time working over wood. Steel is important though. I have a great looking Puukko in 80crv2 and it gets by in soft wood but is a turd in hard wood. All kinds of chips and rolls after 30 minites of working hard woods.

I'd never buy a Scandi ground blade in AUS8 no matter what the makers advertisements said.

They should have known better, just didn't care or don't expect anyone to actually use it. Probably the later.

I wouldn't buy a blade in Aus-8 anyways. Even in budget knives there are better options.

Time moves on and progress gives us better options.

Even cold steel got the memo and moved to XHP in some options. I havent seen if it is as effective in cutting up car hoods or coffee makers yet but I'm sure we'll findout

 

[Tachead01]

Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion about CS. But you went out of your way to lump "most" large knife companies in with them, and backed that claim down to Benchmade. How is Benchmade's product similar to the claims you are making about CS?

I said most large companies are in the biz to make money not that they are all as bad as CS. Benchmade's pricing went up and their quality down. I think they are more in it for the money these days as well. Hence my comment about smaller companies, I have personally found they almost always care more about knives. There are exceptions like Sal of course.

 

[okto]

Oh smart Boris, how smart you are, you're probably right, a KNIFE company would make KNIVES that no one will actually use....unlike you though right?

Are you implying that there is some sort of competence test required to be a manufacturer? McDonald's is a burger company; are they thus an authority on quality beef?

 

[Yo Mama]

Are you implying that there is some sort of competence test required to be a manufacturer? McDonald's is a burger company; are they thus an authority on quality beef?

I have no idea what you're asking me. I was commenting on a ridiculous thought posed by boris who believes no one uses their knives.

 

[Boris74]

I wouldn't buy a blade in Aus-8 anyways. Even in budget knives there are better options.

Time moves on and progress gives us better options.

Even cold steel got the memo and moved to XHP in some options. I havent seen if it is as effective in cutting up car hoods or coffee makers yet but I'm sure we'll findout

I've seen you say something similar to that a few times. I might have missed it but I haven't seen as to why you think this. Maybe you had a knife in that steel, like the one in the OP, that is not the right geometry for the steel. It's like saying you'd never get a 1095 blade because you got one with a thin blade and very thin edge like 3V could handle, then had problems with it.

You just can't take a blade design then grind up a bunch of the wrong steel because you have it in stock and call it good. In a different steel, as many have pointed out, that blade would be a great performer with its geometry. I know I would look at the steel choice and skip it. I have yet to see any other Scandi AUS8 blade, and the reason for it is outlined in the OP.

 

[stabman]

Any luck finding out if this was one of the first production runs? I have heard that a first batch or so went out that did this, and that they have fixed it now (its what I hear anyway). Might be worth looking into, as you might be able to get them to swap it for you if you feel strongly enough about it.

The first thing I did was throw out the box, so I'm not sure if there's a way to tell if it's first production run or not.
It's the second shipment Warriors and Wonders got in, so it may be second production...the first shipment sold out really fast (I guess a lot of people wanted to try out a Scandi grind folder at a reasonable price).

If it chips again, I'll just convex the edge and it should be fine.

 

[lonestar1979]

This steel aus8 from Cold Steel is excellent performer, never had problems with it, the problem with this knife could be the zero grind, maybe the knife needed secondary edge at higher angle, and then shouldn't chip.I dislike scandi grinds anyways, and regrind all my scandisk to convex edge or full convex depends in thickness.At higher angle there shouldn't be any problems for sure.