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trailbum said:
For those of you that use a hammock, what do you use to stay warm in colder weather say 40*F.
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I don't know how most poeple do it, but at the fall gathering Murph and Ark where spooning the whole time.:D
 
tradewater said:
Wear fleece from head to toe, a good bag on top of a thermarest or a layer of reflectix.
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I haven't hammocked in weather yet where I needed more. Am looking at underquilts for colder weather though.
Saturday night, here was my bed. I and two friends did a 16 mile, overnight loop over at LBL.

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I had a reflective Thermarest, a fleece bag liner, a down bag. At 6:30 when I hit the sack (cold camp), I was hot. By 12:30, I was in the fleece liner. By 3, I was in the down bag. I was comfortable all night.
The bag liner has pockets where I could slip hand warmers. I never needed to.

Story on the hat... we cruised into the Welcome Center for a little intel, and we noticed dead deer rolling in on backs of trucks right and left.
My buddy had called ahead, and all the agent told him is that, "We don't get many hikers this time of year."
What she failed to mention is that a quota gun hunt was going on through Saturday.
Not wanting my head shot off, I bought that stunning blaze orange cap at the Welcome Center for a little insurance, but damned if those camo flames don't look like antlers. :D
 
tradewater said:
Wear fleece from head to toe, a good bag on top of a thermarest or a layer of reflectix.
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I was thinking the thermarest and a good bag, never thought of the fleece though.

TMHunt said:
I don't know how most poeple do it, but at the fall gathering Murph and Ark where spooning the whole time.:D
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I need to get a Murph or Ark.

tradewater said:
Ark is a great belly warmer and doesn't take up much room in the pack.
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I'm not a ultra hiker so I might see if Murph wants to go camping.

Guyon said:
I haven't hammocked in weather yet where I needed more. Am looking at underquilts for colder weather though.
Saturday night, here was my bed. I and two friends did a 16 mile, overnight loop over at LBL.

P1050512.jpg


I had a reflective Thermarest, a fleece bag liner, a down bag. At 6:30 when I hit the sack (cold camp), I was hot. By 12:30, I was in the fleece liner. By 3, I was in the down bag. I was comfortable all night.
The bag liner has pockets where I could slip hand warmers. I never needed to.

Story on the hat... we cruised into the Welcome Center for a little intel, and we noticed dead deer rolling in on backs of trucks right and left.
My buddy had called ahead, and all the agent told him is that, "We don't get many hikers this time of year."
What she failed to mention is that a quota gun hunt was going on through Saturday.
Not wanting my head shot off, I bought that stunning blaze orange cap at the Welcome Center for a little insurance, but damned if those camo flames don't look like antlers. :D
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Thanks guys.
 
worldwood said:
i got a 200k volt stun gun for 5 bucks today from a homeless looking guy walking down the street and it seems to work fine but i kinda want to shock myself with it.... i know it cant hurt too bad and my curiosity it getting the best of me.... Anyone ever been tased? what to expect?
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Chameleonbear said:
[video=youtube_share;VWR8wxhUxXo]http://youtu.be/VWR8wxhUxXo[/video]

Won't hurt too bad... Should video it for us to see.
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Chameleonbear said:
Won't hurt too bad... Should video it for us to see.
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I just woke up and made the video shocking my arm a few times. It didnt really "hurt"..... it was a little shocking though, pun intended. i wouldnt trust my life or any loved ones life to this. it did however leave some little red burn marks on my arm and woke me up a little more. :)

never uploaded a video, and cant figure out how to have it embeded here. i tried a few times and links just keep showing up, let me know how to add it or just click the link.

[video]http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4510/dlujbhneazesiskxtkzgmo.mp4[/video]
 
Not sure if its real noticeable in the pic but theres slightly swollen little burn marks where the leads touched the skin.

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Ok, you were barely touching yourself with the arc, get them probes in there for a second or two. :D

Second, I've been tazed twice, both in training, and if anyone pulls a modern probed tazer out on me, I'm gonna shoot your ass with a whole magazine of 45acp. Basically, I'm gonna kill you where you stand, and claim self defense on the grounds that while drooling and laying incapacitated on the floor, you could easily hit me with the coup de grace with any weapon of your choosing.

I do not like being tazed. At all. Be warned.

Moose
 
I use a self inflating mat and a cheap coleman bag in my hammock -- if it's going to be below 40, I wear wool socks and a long sleeved shirt over my t-shirt and canvas pants. Below 30 I switch to a heavier bag and a fleece anorak and add a wicking base layer under the pants.
 
Moosez45 said:
Ok, you were barely touching yourself with the arc, get them probes in there for a second or two. :D

Second, I've been tazed twice, both in training, and if anyone pulls a modern probed tazer out on me, I'm gonna shoot your ass with a whole magazine of 45acp. Basically, I'm gonna kill you where you stand, and claim self defense on the grounds that while drooling and laying incapacitated on the floor, you could easily hit me with the coup de grace with any weapon of your choosing.

I do not like being tazed. At all. Be warned.

Moose
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Lmao, Well i was shocking myself and instinct kicks in and says to STOP lol. Really i know that normally its held on the attacker with the probes pushed in hard. I did try it with the probes pushed into my arm before i hit the button but i wasnt sure it would look real on video because you couldnt see the arc at all. With the probes pushed into my arm first it felt more like my muscles were tightening and locking up. Im not scared of the thing anymore so i could do another one showing it pushed into my arm before i hit the button.

This is a cheapo and im sure the ones you were training with were much much better, regardless i know to never shock you!!!
 
Moosez45 said:
Ok, you were barely touching yourself with the arc, get them probes in there for a second or two. :D

Second, I've been tazed twice, both in training, and if anyone pulls a modern probed tazer out on me, I'm gonna shoot your ass with a whole magazine of 45acp. Basically, I'm gonna kill you where you stand, and claim self defense on the grounds that while drooling and laying incapacitated on the floor, you could easily hit me with the coup de grace with any weapon of your choosing.

I do not like being tazed. At all. Be warned.

Moose
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Amen Brother..... i feel EXACTLY the same way.... I hate being shocked...

Doc
 
Some of last night's beverage selection while catching up on Walking Dead (great episode BTW):

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Vic Ranger doing work:
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Doc_Savage said:
Amen Brother..... i feel EXACTLY the same way.... I hate being shocked...

Doc
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Oh, I'm an electrician. Getting shocked is part of the territory. Being tazed is something completely different. There is no ampacity, only voltage, and new tazers don't even say how many volts they generate. They say "neuro/muscular incapacitation", which means, you're ass is going to the ground.

That one in the video above, of the cop beating it, is total BS. I've seen guys twice that size, hit the ground, drooling and twitching. That one must have been old, or losing its charge, because I'm telling you, the ones like the X26, sends you to a place no one wants to go.

We talked about this at the last fall Gathering, there were a few of us that "had" to take a shot, and not one of us said they wanted to do it again, quite the contrary, we were all in agreement, pull a taser out, and I'm sheddin' some lead in your direction.

I hate tasers.

Moose
 
My brother-in-law tried to beat the one at his department 3 times, and just flat out couldn't. He's firmly in the "getting tasered sucks" camp, and I've seen him go through some serious pain before. I'll take his word for it.
 
oXide said:
So I picked out my 21st birthday present for myself already, in addition to my CCW. FN Five-seveN. Gonna get as much handgun training as I can up till then, then go on with advanced stuff. Will be carried under my left arm in a Kydex holster with 1 mag full of smart rounds (if I can find them in the 5.7x28mm that the gun requires) and 2 mags with standard rounds for practice shooting/back up ammo (doubt I'll need extra mags if I have a 20 round mag full of smart rounds). Also gonna mount a laser sight to the rail on the bottom (haven't decided on a laser yet).

Now, if I enlist then I won't wait until my 21st birthday to get either of them, I'll get them the day I get back from BCT, the only problem being where I store it when I'm not home.

I put a lot of thought into this. Still looking at the Savage rifles for my 18th birthday, liking some of their semi autos, but I don't know if I want semi auto or bolt action, mostly because of superficial reasons (increased RoF Vs. BA ejection).
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i gotta ask: why 5.7?

a 5.7 pistol run $1000-1200 around here. you could buy nearly any useful pistol for carry for that and even have money left over for ammo :)

as well, "smart rounds"? what's that? there's darn few options for 5.7 ammo. two civilian factory types (sporting and frangible). if you're mil/leo and can get and afford it, there's an option or two. as well, there's "elite ammo" which does some interesting reloads, and including a controversial brass round (hard to find now). most of those are going to OVER penetrate all kinds of stuff. frangibles in theory won't.

oh, ammo: typically $25 for box of 50. pricey. sometimes $20. if you're lucky, you score half a case for $15/box at a show ;) *cough*

i hear a couple companies should be making sporting rounds soon for $10-15/box, but i haven't seen any yet, and obviously would buy and try if i could ;) nope, don't own a 5.7 pistol. something else ;) 50 rounds. not the PS90.

so, imho, 5.7 is cool and all, but not practical for fun shooting due to cost - but if you can afford it, go for it... for carry? in theory, you're never going to shoot it, so cost isn't a factor... weight?

"stopping power": well, for less cost, and almost as many rounds per mag, a XD[m] pistol in 9mm is going to have some nice punch. very accurate too. wider range of ammo options, including some nasty stuff.

for those where caliber is king (vs rounds) you can also choose less rounds for bigger bullets. 40s. 45s. even so, 12ish at .45 is pretty decent. a 1911 is typically no more than 8 though.
 
Moosez45 said:
Oh, I'm an electrician. Getting shocked is part of the territory. Being tazed is something completely different. There is no ampacity, only voltage, and new tazers don't even say how many volts they generate. They say "neuro/muscular incapacitation", which means, you're ass is going to the ground.

That one in the video above, of the cop beating it, is total BS. I've seen guys twice that size, hit the ground, drooling and twitching. That one must have been old, or losing its charge, because I'm telling you, the ones like the X26, sends you to a place no one wants to go.

We talked about this at the last fall Gathering, there were a few of us that "had" to take a shot, and not one of us said they wanted to do it again, quite the contrary, we were all in agreement, pull a taser out, and I'm sheddin' some lead in your direction.

I hate tasers.

Moose
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Oh yeah... I got they aren't the same.... Quite well aware of it.... I hate the smallest of hits of electricity... I am just saying that as much as I hate just a wee bit, someone other than law enforcement pulls even the smallest stun gun on me... Well, they get lead poisoning....

Doc
 
The 5.7 is a round I'd never use for CCW. Know your target and beyond...I'd be more concerned about a pass through with that round than 9mm. I agree with the XDm recommendation. Awesome gun, and you'll have another $500-700 to put into ammo.

Take Vickers and Ayoob's classes. Massad Ayoob will give you awesome pistol training on the range and then in the classroom you'll learn how to be able to not use it and walk away alive. Take Appleseed to get you rifle fundamentals nailed down.
 
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