Sneak peak at the new Arc Lite :)

BLZ BUB, show me a cheap steak knife or any steak knife that is full tang and the same thickness with a recurve blade for less than $50. Any type of eating cutlery I have seen that approaches the construction of this blade are all custom pieces and fetch a considerable price. As far as the steel chosen, no one said it was a wonder steel. They said it will do what you need of a small knife, plus it is very resistant to rust. I respect. Darrel Ralph's opinion and if he says he has found the steel to be acceptable based on his testing, then it should lend some support. Plus, I think you would have a much harder time convincing anyone of the utility aspect of a steak knife, no matter where you carry it. According to the LEO's I have spoken to in my area, it is almost inpossible to justify carrying a steak knife or other kitchen cutlery around for utility purposes. I have shown my handmade Arclite to a few of them. While it wouldn't be as easy to convince them as if you were carrying a SAK, most of them said they wouldn't see a problem with the Arclite. Of course, it all depends on what drew their attention to you in the first place.

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For those of you bashers out there I ask, do you own one, have you held one, cut something with one, etc? Reserve your judgement until you do. I can't wait to get mine.
 
Gentlemen,I am relatively new to these forums and as such I may not be familiar with the protocol and etiquette involved,however as I am clearly on the defensive-and just as clearly `out gunned`I feel compelled to defend my points,at the risk of wandering `off-topic`,please bear with me.
Mr.Ralph,I will be forthcoming with you.On 11-21 I was visiting the automatic forum[my field of interest]when I encountered a thread about double actions.Somehow the thread,essentially about Mr.Vallaton`s work was steered over to you,and the subject of over posting was brought up.I could not help but agree with Messrs.Gray&Diskin,as I noted you managed to invoke your name several times in your reply.This ,as I have since noted,is something that is common on your posts.I appreciate your efforts to correct whatever errors you deem necessary,however you must realize that,if not a blatant means of further advertizing,it is somewhat annoying,as you will soon note.Indeed your very `signature` contains still more advertizing.
I believe you have misconstrued my point;I do not consider,nor did I say,that the knife was a ` scam`.In this case,I concede that you get what you pay for,indeed there IS nothing else this inexpensive.Further I am not,as you suggest, insulting anyone[I duly note your conversational ploy of attempting to incite the masses,rallying them to act upon your will,well done,sir],I am merely saying that I do not consider the Arclite to be a quality tool.Maybe my standards are higher,so be it,I am sure that the economically mined will rationalize their purchase,all I am saying is I don`t like it.I know you are quite popular here on the WWW and I am fully aware that I am going against the grain,but it is a free country,is it not?
Mr.Harvey,I see you enjoy calling me a troll{I am not quite sure what you mean by that,is it a reference to a physical deformity?},a boob and a swine.How comforting it must be for you to be so bold on the other side of the wire.Surely you are a most gifted spokesman for the knife and gun community,a talented writer, and I will have new insight re;your literary endeavors.
Mr.P,thank you for your openmindedness,I assure you I,too,have no desire for a skirmish.The censorship I refer to is not tangible,rather,as most regimes[including unfortunatly the formerly representative,formerly democratic and increasingly invasive system we patriots labor under]employ it,it is rather of a "defacto" nature.I myself debated whether or not I should get involved in this dicussion,knowing full well,that my opinion would be made little of. The point is that there are many,who because of peer pressure or fear of ridicule,will not speak up and will not contribute to what might otherwise be an intelligent,and open discussion.
The real issue is not whether the knife,forgive me ,sucks,but rather my right to say it.
We have all stood by and watched a large corporation take over our favorite knife publications and turn them [with only a few critically notable exceptions]into little more than one big industry commercial,and I fear that is what is happening here.
Gentlemen,thank you for your time,
BLZ Bub

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I apologize B. Bub, all in fun really, I only meant it in the spirit of a good natured ribbing. But when you come onto a bulletin board forum calling yourself the devil, and within a couple of posts you are strongly disparaging a nice little knife that cost little more than air, that is practically the dictionary definition of a troll - i.e. one who creates an anonymous user account for the purpose of being rude, crude, and irregular. We don't get to be rude to legitimate posters, so when what looks like an obvious troll comes along, it's a rare opportunity to light up the after-burners.
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Ragging on a Darrel Ralph designed knife that only costs $25 (with shipping) is kinda like calling Pamela Anderson a lousy actress (who cares!?)
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I mean, nobody who likes the look of the Arc Lite well enough to buy one is going to be dissappointed in the performance per dollar value. You can't even complain that it is not available in better steel, because it is.

Now if you just don't like it, or the look of it I should say, since you cannot have owned one, that's another thing all together. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?
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Nobody around here would have been crass enough to flame you for that. Even with a user name like BLZ Bo... er Bub (sorry).
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BLZ BUB,
This thread started off talking about a knife we are introducing. It has taken off on a life of it's own since then. I'm not here to debate censorship or your right to post,....thats clearly not up to me. But you have voiced strong opinion about a product that we have worked hard, along with Darrel, to introduce. If you feel that to discuss this in THIS forum is to commercial, I invite you to come over to the CAMILLUS forum here on BF, and tell us what you think 'sucks' about our new knife. Tell us what you would do differently. You mentioned marketing....well part of marketing is finding out what your customers want. We at CAMILLUS openly and blatantly use BF for this. Some of the members here tell us that the enjoy the opportunity to interact with Cutlery companies, and give insight for new knives.

I will admit though, I'm very interested to hear from you what "large corporation" has taken over the knife publications. I REALLY hope you don't think that its CAMILLUS, because believe me, my advertising budget isn't NEARLY big enough
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Camillus Cutlery
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Camillus, the Evil Cutlery Empire! First they gobbled up all the Talonite, now they are taking over the media! (I won't even mention flooding American communities with cheap insidious weapons! Hee, hee!)
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I think I been hangin' around Tom Mayo too much (not to boast that my sense of irony and satire is in the same league as Tom's).
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Somebody say "Shut up, Steve!"

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BLZ Bub

Don't take this as a personal attack, but what the hell else can you get for 20 bucks?
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You could probably get a steak knife for that price but I doubt they come with kydex sheaths. I carry an emerson la griffe that I paid more than double what the arc lite costs and although the grade of steel is better, it too could be classified as plain and flat. In my opinion neck knives don't need to be made of super steels, because I carry mine as a back up or a last resort, and therefore they don't see that much use anyway. These are just my views on the subject. I don't know Darrel Ralph, And I don't give a damn what the majority says, I just know a good deal when I see one.
 
BUB
Once again thanks for the kind words.
Glad to see ya here!
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I've held one of Darrel's Arclites (non-production, of course) and it is pretty slick.

As far as Darrel's collaborations go, the one that has me excited is the Paragee, the framelock folder coming out soon from Outdoor Edge. Visit his home page and look at the pics!
 
Originally posted by BLZ BUB:
I duly note your conversational ploy of attempting to incite the masses,rallying them to act upon your will,well done,sir
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Hee, hee.
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I wonder if I'm one of the masses? Clearly this is an INDIVIDUAL. Not like the rest of the sheep here. Baaaaaaaa. The things I'd REALLY like to say...
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I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
http://www.trollalert.com/

What a thundering waste of time and energy. The knife looks good to me, especially at the price. What could be said that has not been said already? I vote for this thread to die. Moderators?

Razor

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Yes,please end this nonsense, unless MrRalph would like to post his name four or five more times.
 
Why is it that when folks join up and their first few posts are negative in one way or another about things or people with good reputations and they get jumped on it startles them??????? Scratching my head on this one.

Rob Simonich
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Originally posted by BLZ BUB:
Yes,please end this nonsense, unless MrRalph would like to post his name four or five more times.
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Not to disparage your presumed intelligence, but DARREL RALPH is a KNIFEMAKER, (as is ROB SIMONICH) that is, he is in the BUSINESS of designing, constructing, and selling knives. He's real good at it. He has more orders than he can handle right now. But it never hurts to advertise! Why let a good thing end?

Will Fennell spends a lot of time on Bladeforums, too. I don't know what Camillus shells out for ads, but Will is always around to answer questions, and that's good for business, I'm sure. But it's even better for us.

What is it about why we are here in the first place that you don't understand? Yeah, troll ...
 
This troll is trying to provoke someone into locking this thread. I am going over to the Camillus forum to listen to your thoughts on these knives. We'll see if the troll follows. See you guys there.

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