Sneak peak at the new Arc Lite :)

Darrel,
Arclite in 3V & Micarta handles is awesome little user & near perfect little neck knife - puts it right up there with Rob's D2 Pikuni & Wally Hayes' Damascus Typhoon. One with Talonite or Stellite blade & carbon fiber handles would be "DA BOMB"!

Cliff is entitled to his opinions, but anybody who knows & actually uses knives on a day-to-day basis knows what they are worth(1 or 2 Lira?) - you & Camillus have created a tremendous product at a great price that functions far better than any competing products. After talking to you the other day I am looking forward to the future (particularly a Scorpion!) - between you & Rob & Camillus the future is looking good!

Bill
Will get those E-MAILS to you Monday - have been incredibly busy!
 
Darrel,

Probably not that he has paid for. I think in my humble opinion that this is a blatant attempt to goad you into sending a "Freebie". I truly believe that one is wanted by this individual but he can't afford it. LMAO
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Don
Medicine Man of the Extinct Fugowee Tribe
 
Hmmm...and this started out as such a NICE thread.
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I recall that Cliff and I got into an earnest discussion about sample sizes with Cliff making amazing prognostications with a sample size of only one. It was truly impressive stuff. But this...this is incredible! A sample size of ZERO! We mere mortals must stand aside!

I suppose there is some symmetery to this. Evaluating a custom knife only requires 1 sample, but a production knife, less than one sample. Interesting stuff. Obviously there are some supernatural forces operating here that are not readily apparent to the average joe (or...are they all too apparent?).

But as Tommi pointed out, Cliff retracted his statements on the poor ergonometry of the Project 1 after he upped his sample size to one. Is there a lesson here?

Call me stupid for ignoring Cliff's insightful analysis (and BTW, I never did like the ergonomics of the handles on Frost's Moras so it baffles me how Cliff finds them so comfy but what the hell do I know--I can only guess he must be talking about a rubber handled Mora or something), I'm gonna have to get one of these beautiful Arc Lites.

But even more important, I want to thank Camillus for doing such an incredible job of bringing out great knives at unbelievable prices(I have two Beckers and now I HAVE to get that machete). Will, you are doing one heckuva job. And thanks to Darrel for designing this beauty!

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

[This message has been edited by Hoodoo (edited 11-16-2000).]
 
Paracelsus:

recognize the effect that you have on people sometimes and to moderate your own posting style.
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Not everyone can't handle negative feedback. I have for example described in the past several times (around 6-12 I would estimate) how the Spyderco Military was not a functional piece for me because the lock would disengage during use.

This is a negative statement which is rather severe in conclusion. Because of it, I recieved more than one email saying that I had a personal grudge against Spyderco, and they usually drew similar conclusions as were made here, wouldn't give me free knives or whatever.

Now based on your viewpoint, this is something that I should not have continued. Yet Sal Glessers reaction, as well as the designer, was positive and my problems with the Military was one of the reasons that I was asked for my opinion on the security of the new compression lock with the direction to specifically try to find a way to disengage it.

When I asked about being public with the results, he had no problems, good or bad, he is far from the only one either.

For example the Busse Combat grip. I have on more occasions that I can count specified that there are more ergonomic grips, McClung for one, as well I described in detail the problems I had in the beginning with the handle on the Battle Mistress. Again, similar to the Spyderco situation, the responce to this by the maker was to ask if I would give my opinion on the new grip.

There are lots of others as well.

Does making multiple posts about your negative impression of a knife
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They were not repeated in terms of information. They addressed issues brought up about points I made. And again, this shows a clear bias on your part concerning negative vs positive comments on knives. Where are the restrictions on multiple positive comments, many of which are simple repeats.

Rob :

you mean you have never picked up a fine knife, handgun, rifle or any finely made tool and went WOW, this is NICE!
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Tools are valued in my family becuase of their function. Something I have been passed down from craftsmen who simply didn't have the luxury to think otherwise.

The point about not handling one is an obvious point, logically I would know more about the blade if I actually used it. However it is possible to draw conclusions based on experience with other blades, something that people do all the time. For example if someone had asked about skeletonized handles you would get people with positive and negative reactions - just as there was to the recent thread about chisel grinds. Making a performance statement of this nature is far harder than estimating the performance of a specific blade with known specifications.

-Cliff

[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 11-17-2000).]
 
Excellent discussion! I am awaiting a handmade. I agree with Cliff on many points and disagree on many others. Based on many thing I have read from Cliff, I think he would be a great politician. OOPS! Personal attack, sorry.

Dirk
 
Originally posted by Cliff Stamp:
However it is possible to draw conclusions based on experience with other blades, something that people do all the time.
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Cliff, do [you] mean just like the conclusions you made about the ergonomics of the Project 1 before you ever even handled it? You made the same pronouncements about the ergonomics of the sere 2000 and the grips on Beckers, all with out ever handling them. In all deference, Cliff, to your vast experience, about half the time you seem to be more full of bs than anything else. And I base that on my vast experience of dealing with bs artists.
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM

[This message has been edited by Hoodoo (edited 11-18-2000).]
 
Well, after reading Hoodoo's last post, I am tempted to close this thread. But...I think his statements are correct. He only addressed the issues raised by Cliff's statements and attitudes. So I declare Hoodoo's post to be a statement of fact, not an ad hominem attack.
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Paracelsus, promising to return later to show Cliff what his method FEELS like from the other side
 
Here's my $0.02

1 - It should be a great knife "for what it is designed to do"

2 - You can't expect all knives to have the same performance levels

3 - Why even bring up performance issues unless you have used it. Wait until you have one to test. You never know how it will perform until you get one in your hands.

I think Darrel's design is Fantastic. No gee-gaws or bells and whistles. IMHO one of the best designed and made neck knives on the market.

I also think that the Camillus offering will be HUGE. If they have done all their homework as Darrel has said, then it should be a great knife. My hat is off to you both.

As for Cliff, Can you make judgements about people by looking at their picture even before you have met them?



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Barry
Jones Knives
"NEW Knives"
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"For DUTY and HUMANITY!"
Curly, Moe, & Larry
 
LMAO
I'll have to second Tim's award.
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I also want to order this knife. I have searched 1SKS's site, and cannot find it to pre-order. Any help would be appreciated.

[This message has been edited by CODE 3 (edited 11-18-2000).]
 
I've always respected Cliff's reviews, until I read this one that had been made without actually handling the knife. Way to blow your credibility, big guy.

And I am SO pre-ordered for a plain edge.
 
Code-3, take a look in the 1SKS forum over in
the Exchange section. I seem to remember someone asking the same thing. Mike placed a link for ordering.
 
Hi y'all.

The price on this beauty has been quoted as $20 however on the Knifecenter's site RRP is listed as $27.50 or $29.50 semi serrated - i.e. closer to $30. Clarification?

Also, maybe it's just me, but I couldn't find the item at 1SKS, although Mike seemed to said they were taking orders. Am I missing something?

The mini tek-lok is what swings it for me. I'd also be interested in hearing a lot more about the rigs Darrel mantioned, especially along the lines of "here's how to mount your knives for under arms (Or other) carry using a rig".

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[This message has been edited by Kallisti (edited 11-18-2000).]
 
Kal
The rig set ups can be built by Bob Bailey of Elite Tactical carry systems.
There are attachements available that go from you kydex sheath to the rig. Its a very simple system that works great.
The knife hangs upside down under your arm.
We have done rigs with folders, neck knives and with 7 in fighters.

The Arc Lite is set up for the small tech lock spacing. Just buy a tech lock and it will attach in several different positions.




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[This message has been edited by Darrel Ralph (edited 11-19-2000).]
 
Here is the link to the thread where you can preorder one.
www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000434.html

The suggested retail is as mentioned above. We are offering in introductory special which is why the price is at the $20 price point. It may stay at the price, we are not sure ::
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[This message has been edited by 1SKS (edited 11-20-2000).]
 
Back on topic:

I was eyeballing this knife and I think I'd like to have one for SCUBA and snorkeling. I flycast too, when I can, and think I could use one of these on the stream. I can never find a knife when I need one (with waders on.)

Besides "self-defense," what else do you guys carry neck-knives for?

[This message has been edited by samwereb (edited 11-20-2000).]
 
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