SNG rant

It was actually Pee Wee Herman who said that and we all know how things turned out for him...



Yeah, I know it's off-topic, but this thread went off-track a while back.

Yeah you're right. I was going to say Pee Wee Herman but I was afraid my memory wasn't correct and it was some other TV kid that used to do it to. I thought I saw Bart Simpson do it too but i'm not sure.

After this thread I googled Mick Strider Somalia and apparently the guy is a compulsive liar. I mean there were all kinds of quotes from him on different forums and saying different things every time about himself and the Somalia "Sentence". I had never taken the time to read one of those but I had heard some things.
 
True, because that's different because it's Spyderco...... :jerkit:

Now if that was a Cold Steel or Strider then it would be more Dog Piling. :rolleyes: :jerkit:

I don't have any comment on what happened because I could care less about Spyderco. ;)


Oh come on now.....:D You're the one defending a Striders blade play as a "feature". LOL

How many threads rip SOGs for blade play. Thats a pet peeve in a $70 dollar knife. In a $500 one it's down right criminal.:thumbdn:

Why does every Strider related thread go south? Because for every fanboy who apologizes away every problem there's another knife fan who isnt buying the hype.

It's all good....we're all knife fans and everyone's opinions count.:thumbup:
 
True, because that's different because it's Spyderco...... :jerkit:

Now if that was a Cold Steel or Strider then it would be more Dog Piling. :rolleyes: :jerkit:

I don't have any comment on what happened because I could care less about Spyderco. ;)

I like how you left out the part in your quote about $30 and $500 knives.

Striders cost much more than Spyderco military but Striders in a lot of cases have worse f&f than the Spyderco Bargain line Byrd. I'd trust Sal over Mick Burger any day. Maybe mr.Burger should stop being so greedy and put some money and people in to his company where it's dearly needed.

If it makes you feel better to believe what you're saying then more power to you. It's kind of sad you're not dealing in reality but go ahead. Anyone with a brain functioning properly knows when so many people mention problems with a company, odds are most of them are not lying. And I have seen many more threads than this one where people were having similar problems.
 
Oh come on now.....:D You're the one defending a Striders blade play as a "feature". LOL

How many threads rip SOGs for blade play. Thats a pet peeve in a $70 dollar knife. In a $500 one it's down right criminal.:thumbdn:

Why does every Strider related thread go south? Because for every fanboy who apologizes away every problem there's another knife fan who isnt buying the hype.

It's all good....we're all knife fans and everyone's opinions count.:thumbup:

They don't have blade play when opened up, they are solid as a bank vault. ;)

And the movement that we are talking about is so minor you can barely feel it at all. We are not talking about sloppy blade movement.

I am talking about a lot less movement when not fully open than a lot of knives do when they are open and locked. ;)
 
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I like peanut butter, which brings up the question, does a Strider or Spyderco work better for spreading peanut butter?:p
 
Ankerson:

You can't change public opinion. I don't see this as Strider bashing...just a lot of unhappy buyers, including myself. It's obvious most of the negative comments are from past or present Strider owners.

I do admire your staunch defence of "it's designed that way"...poor mfg'ing and very poor QC.

I will admit that Strider blades are good, they just do not know how to drop the macho hype and build a good folder.
 
choice is up to you , take em or leave em....

in this house we take em.... one for each son , one for the wife , and 2 for me ( cause I am spoiled ).

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When a $30 knife has issues, you got what you paid for.
When a $500 knife has issues, you got kinda ripped off.
At least with the $500 knife you can get warranty work done, although admittedly you should not have to.
Of course, my brand new Spyderco titanium Military just had to be taken apart to spring the lock-bar further over to eliminate slight vertical wobble, which shouldn't have been necessary on my nice new $300 knife, yet you won't see me(or many other folks) bashing Spyderco. Lock wore in, reached ramped part of tang, not enough spring to contact hard enough(had it since last Tuesday; not a long time). Things happen in real life, even when by all rights they should not.


If you paid $300 for the new Spyderco titanium Military you got ripped off.
 
If you paid $300 for the new Spyderco titanium Military you got ripped off.

I live in Canada. There's no other way unless I want to deal with the idiots at Customs, or get dinged with enough duty to make it not much of a savings.
 
I live in Canada. There's no other way unless I want to deal with the idiots at Customs, or get dinged with enough duty to make it not much of a savings.

I didn't see you were in Canada. That does stink. So is that MSPR? Do retailers pay the same customs fee that individuals have to pay? And are the customs fee a percent of the cost of the item?
 
I didn't see you were in Canada. That does stink. So is that MSPR? Do retailers pay the same customs fee that individuals have to pay? And are the customs fee a percent of the cost of the item?

MSRP is $349, so it's a BIT cheaper here.
I don't know what dealers pay, but I hope they get some deal.
It seems to vary with what Customs fees are. Sometimes they charge nothing, other times it's just the GST(Goods and Services Tax), and other times I haven't been able to tell what the fees were based on at all. I think it's just supposed to be the GST on products manufactured in the States, but who knows what ends up happening. I don't.
 
Some say that if less expensive knives have poor quality, it's to be expected. I can understand that because every Buck I have owned had QC issues. The last two were in fact defective - and I have posted frequently about it - a Buck Tarani that would fail to stay locked, including the factory replacement, and Buck Mayo TNT I purchased from a disgruntled previous owner for less than $100. The detent was completely useless and did not work. It does not work to this day.

My SnG has been mechanically perfect.

That brings up what was mentioned before - that the BULK of complaints in most Strider threads aren't the few knives with a problem, but the impression that SKI itself does not meet their standards of conduct.

Add that many of the complaints about an actual Strider knife deal with questions of aesthetics, not function. To repeat a previous comment, a folding knife should 1) Unfold, and 2) Cut.

The OP had only one functional problem in that short list, caused by himself. It's now fixed.

As for everyone else, if they choose to continue applying standards to Striderthat they obviously don't embrace, then they who are less than cognizant of fact.

I will repeat - not just Strider, but every knifemaker, makes knives to THEIR standard, not the public's. In fact, I would say those that have a take it or leave it attitude do better than others who scrape in obeisance to every public whim.

There are those who point to knives and knifemakers who satisfy their every whim. It then seems they take extra care and particular detail to describe how stupid any one is who prefers otherwise.

They always insist the qualities they prefer are superior, and that the knives they select can do the same things better. I see the same attitude in automobiles and firearms.

One public statement to that effect cost a prominent writer his career when he disparaged AR 15 rifles in civilian use. No doubt enthusiasts of fine firearms might have little appreciation of combat rifles - but even they realize that no Kimber, Weatherby, or other could do the same job.

On the much smaller scale of using knives, a Sebenza, William Henry, or other $1500 art knife would not be suited to doing the mundane chores of a Marine's daily tasks - for which the SMF and SnG series were designed.

Satisfying unique cultural qualities and aesthetics is, if anything, precisely what SKI seems to thumb their nose at. To put it politely. The finer sensibilities of knife aficianados are largely a target to puncture, as most definitely seem to hold themselves above the rough and ready use of a tool. I rarely find anyone who will even post their use of a knive to do more than scrape soft plastic insulation or cut cheese.

If anything, cutting the cheese seems to be the most appropriate way to describe their ranting about Strider and their knives.

Spoiled brats and Children of the Mall, the supplicating merchants of the world will cater to your every wish and take every dime you own.

And you will proclaim it a proper and right display of character on your part.
 
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Some say that if less expensive knives have poor quality, it's to be expected. I can understand that because every Buck I have owned had QC issues. The last two were in fact defective - and I have posted frequently about it - a Buck Tarani that would fail to stay locked, including the factory replacement, and Buck Mayo TNT I purchased from a disgruntled previous owner for less than $100. The detent was completely useless and did not work. It does not work to this day.

My SnG has been mechanically perfect.

That brings up what was mentioned before - that the BULK of complaints in most Strider threads aren't the few knives with a problem, but the impression that SKI itself does not meet their standards of conduct.

Add that many of the complaints about an actual Strider knife deal with questions of aesthetics, not function. To repeat a previous comment, a folding knife should 1) Unfold, and 2) Cut.

The OP had only one functional problem in that short list, caused by himself. It's now fixed.

As for everyone else, if they choose to continue applying standards to Striderthat they obviously don't embrace, then they who are less than cognizant of fact.

I will repeat - not just Strider, but every knifemaker, makes knives to THEIR standard, not the public's. In fact, I would say those that have a take it or leave it attitude do better than others who scrape in obeisance to every public whim.

There are those who point to knives and knifemakers who satisfy their every whim. It then seems they take extra care and particular detail to describe how stupid any one is who prefers otherwise.

They always insist the qualities they prefer are superior, and that the knives they select can do the same things better. I see the same attitude in automobiles and firearms.

One public statement to that effect cost a prominent writer his career when he disparaged AR 15 rifles in civilian use. No doubt enthusiasts of fine firearms might have little appreciation of combat rifles - but even they realize that no Kimber, Weatherby, or other could do the same job.

On the much smaller scale of using knives, a Sebenza, William Henry, or other $1500 art knife would not be suited to doing the mundane chores of a Marine's daily tasks - for which the SMF and SnG series were designed.

Satisfying unique cultural qualities and aesthetics is, if anything, precisely what SKI seems to thumb their nose at. To put it politely. The finer sensibilities of knife aficianados are largely a target to puncture, as most definitely seem to hold themselves above the rough and ready use of a tool. I rarely find anyone who will even post their use of a knive to do more than scrape soft plastic insulation or cut cheese.

If anything, cutting the cheese seems to be the most appropriate way to describe their ranting about Strider and their knives.

Spoiled brats and Children of the Mall, the supplicating merchants of the world will cater to your every wish and take every dime you own.

And you will proclaim it a proper and right display of character on your part.

Did you see my post with pics to back up my problems with my 2 NEW from Strider SNG's ??? I can live with a scratch on a knife, though I feel a $500 knife should be handled better during production. But the Un-Even Blade Grinds, The Un-Centered Blades are just plain Poor Quality. When they put this knife together and put it in that high quality zip lock bag to mail it to me, dont you think they should check to see if the blade is off centered ??? If the knife cuts into the G-10 on the opposite side ??? IF they Ground The Blade Correctly ??? ................ To read that " its designed that way " is a POOR Excuse. For a knife to leave the factory like my examples ( there are many many like mine ), is just POOR QC !!! ........... The Problem with the OP's knife Would have been found if Strider had any kind of QC. I think Wal-mart Greeter would do better QC than Strider Does...........There are WAY too many people out there with problems to say this is not a Major Issue from a Major Knife Company.
 
Many of the complaints are about the knives. My problems with the knife then turned in to a problem with their CS who won't return phone or email messages on top of delivering a bad product and this happens all the time.

There's nothing a sng can do that lg Sebenza or a ZT can't. Tirod you sound like a very Ignorant, clueless and out of touch person to call people brats because they're not stupid enough to accept a bad product for several hundred dollars.Most people may say you'd be a idiot to give Strider money and then smile while you submit to their sorry excuse for CS without saying a thing. I'm not that guy.

But Tirod I know I can't talk sense in to a person who is unwilling to listen. So go on believing we're brats while you sip the Strider koolaid.
 
Some say that if less expensive knives have poor quality, it's to be expected. I can understand that because every Buck I have owned had QC issues. The last two were in fact defective - and I have posted frequently about it - a Buck Tarani that would fail to stay locked, including the factory replacement, and Buck Mayo TNT I purchased from a disgruntled previous owner for less than $100. The detent was completely useless and did not work. It does not work to this day.

My SnG has been mechanically perfect.

That brings up what was mentioned before - that the BULK of complaints in most Strider threads aren't the few knives with a problem, but the impression that SKI itself does not meet their standards of conduct.

Add that many of the complaints about an actual Strider knife deal with questions of aesthetics, not function. To repeat a previous comment, a folding knife should 1) Unfold, and 2) Cut.

The OP had only one functional problem in that short list, caused by himself. It's now fixed.

As for everyone else, if they choose to continue applying standards to Striderthat they obviously don't embrace, then they who are less than cognizant of fact.

I will repeat - not just Strider, but every knifemaker, makes knives to THEIR standard, not the public's. In fact, I would say those that have a take it or leave it attitude do better than others who scrape in obeisance to every public whim.

There are those who point to knives and knifemakers who satisfy their every whim. It then seems they take extra care and particular detail to describe how stupid any one is who prefers otherwise.

They always insist the qualities they prefer are superior, and that the knives they select can do the same things better. I see the same attitude in automobiles and firearms.

One public statement to that effect cost a prominent writer his career when he disparaged AR 15 rifles in civilian use. No doubt enthusiasts of fine firearms might have little appreciation of combat rifles - but even they realize that no Kimber, Weatherby, or other could do the same job.

On the much smaller scale of using knives, a Sebenza, William Henry, or other $1500 art knife would not be suited to doing the mundane chores of a Marine's daily tasks - for which the SMF and SnG series were designed.

Satisfying unique cultural qualities and aesthetics is, if anything, precisely what SKI seems to thumb their nose at. To put it politely. The finer sensibilities of knife aficianados are largely a target to puncture, as most definitely seem to hold themselves above the rough and ready use of a tool. I rarely find anyone who will even post their use of a knive to do more than scrape soft plastic insulation or cut cheese.

If anything, cutting the cheese seems to be the most appropriate way to describe their ranting about Strider and their knives.

Spoiled brats and Children of the Mall, the supplicating merchants of the world will cater to your every wish and take every dime you own.

And you will proclaim it a proper and right display of character on your part.

This is certainly an eloquent post, but I still struggle to understand the niche that Strider occupies. Much as they purport to make knives for military use, their products are vastly more costly than what most GIs can afford or would have any interest in. For every military member with the inclination and disposable income to afford a Strider, there are 1,000 who would never consider spending $75 on a knife, and who manage their real-world deployment situations just fine without such costly "equipment." At the end of the day Strider's reputation for making military tools is as phony as its proprietor's military credentials. If they're going to make $500-$1,000 knives, they're going to be judged against that competition, and it seems to me they're not really prepared to do so.
 
Did you see my post with pics to back up my problems with my 2 NEW from Strider SNG's ??? I can live with a scratch on a knife, though I feel a $500 knife should be handled better during production. But the Un-Even Blade Grinds, The Un-Centered Blades are just plain Poor Quality. When they put this knife together and put it in that high quality zip lock bag to mail it to me, dont you think they should check to see if the blade is off centered ??? If the knife cuts into the G-10 on the opposite side ??? IF they Ground The Blade Correctly ??? ................ To read that " its designed that way " is a POOR Excuse. For a knife to leave the factory like my examples ( there are many many like mine ), is just POOR QC !!! ........... The Problem with the OP's knife Would have been found if Strider had any kind of QC. I think Wal-mart Greeter would do better QC than Strider Does...........There are WAY too many people out there with problems to say this is not a Major Issue from a Major Knife Company.

I'm not trying to get to heavily involved in this endless discussion but, I would just like to point out something. I am a fan of both Strider and Chris Reeve and happen to have both a Lg Sebenza in my pocket as well as a PT CC. My Sebenza has a perfectly centered blade, it is soooo buttery smooth to open and is sharp as hell, it also has un-even blade grinds. The PT CC doesn't and is damn near perfect except is isn't as smooth as the Sebby. I also have a SnG that is currently on it's way to the Spa because the stop pin fell out and it has un-even blade grinds.

Do I think any of these knives are poor quality.......No. Things happen, I had a Mnandi that was absolutly dull as a butter knife out of the box. I sent it in and CR fixed it. I expect the same thing for my SnG once I get it back.

These are almost custom knives with a lot of hand work on them. ANYTHNG made by man can be defective, it's just the way it is. Every Spyderco/Benchmade I've ever owned has been perfect but those are probably made mostly by machine.
 
If they're going to make $500-$1,000 knives, they're going to be judged against that competition, and it seems to me they're not really prepared to do so.

Once again , they are prepared to do so , evident by the fact that most dealers can't keep them in stock , active mil and LE do get a discount in case you weren't aware.

and just an fyi , it ain't kool-aid , it Guinness ;)
 
I'm not trying to get to heavily involved in this endless discussion but, I would just like to point out something. I am a fan of both Strider and Chris Reeve and happen to have both a Lg Sebenza in my pocket as well as a PT CC. My Sebenza has a perfectly centered blade, it is soooo buttery smooth to open and is sharp as hell, it also has un-even blade grinds. The PT CC doesn't and is damn near perfect except is isn't as smooth as the Sebby. I also have a SnG that is currently on it's way to the Spa because the stop pin fell out and it has un-even blade grinds.

Do I think any of these knives are poor quality.......No. Things happen, I had a Mnandi that was absolutly dull as a butter knife out of the box. I sent it in and CR fixed it. I expect the same thing for my SnG once I get it back.

These are almost custom knives with a lot of hand work on them. ANYTHNG made by man can be defective, it's just the way it is. Every Spyderco/Benchmade I've ever owned has been perfect but those are probably made mostly by machine.

The one I refered to with the un-even blade grind was horrible. Its not so much that it was un-even, its the fact that there was NO blade grind 1/8'' from the end. The main blade basically had a 1/8" "un-ground" space between the main blade and the tanto tip. I was quite shocked when it arrived. This was only on One side, the other side had a rounded tanto tip as you can see in the pic. The best I could do ws match it up. After a week of calls and emails ( never did get an email reply back ) I gave up and fixed it on the sharpmaker. I WISH I had taken a ''before'' pic.

My WHOLE point is Good QC would have caught this. And since Strider does not reply to calls or emails as Many have stated, They Simply Dont Care.

These are basically factory/custom knives. With Custom knives, there really is no excuse for poor QC. I used to make custom knives when I was younger and I would have Never put a lesser knife on the table to sell. So by a knife being semi-custom does not give it an excuse to be less than near perfect. Especially when the $$$ is high. If anything, a Semi-Custom should be even Better. Because it was made by the hands of a skilled professional..............Maybe I am spoiled by CRK quality and Customer service. BUT I see many lesser knives with Alot Less Problems than Strider puts out. It all comes back to Poor Quality, Poor QC, And Poor Customer Service.

My responces are solely based on My Personal Experience with Owning 2 - Poorly Made & QC'ed Strider SNG Tantos.
 
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