So I received my SRM 710

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Gadfly22 said:
. If you think you're seeing a Sebenza -- which is the usual and silly accusation -- I suggest staring at a Bradley Alias or Boker Epicenter.
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I'm not going to say that the 710 is a ripoff of the Sebenza, frankly I don't care. But come on....the 710 looks A LOT more like a Sebenza than either of those two knives.....
 
Gadfly22 said:
Yeah, it's probably the "something else". Since Sanrenmu puts their own name on the 710 and doesn't pretend it's anything but what it is, it's no "blatant ripoff". Frankly, you have to stand back about 15 feet, squint your eyes and use a fertile imagination to see something other than a small, inexpensive pocket knife. If you think you're seeing a Sebenza -- which is the usual and silly accusation -- I suggest staring at a Bradley Alias or Boker Epicenter.
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Are you joking? I hope you are.

A bradley alias looks nothing like a sebenza, neither does the epicenter. The 710 is almost exactly like a sebenza in its form.

Hmmmm, I wonder why it's called the "poor mans sebenza?" Surely, not because it looks exactly like it, right?

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ThePharce said:
Anyone who thinks the 710 is a blatant ripoff of a sebenza has apparently never seen either knife.
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Chris Reeve apparently thought it looked enough like one to start stamping IDAHO MADE (yippee! :() on all of his knives and posted to watch out for knock-offs. The last batch (different model but clone of large 21) really look good in the pictures and have the engraving right etc.

Poor man's Sebenza for around $20 I can't find the thread now?? Maybe it was removed or in the General discussion? You're right 710s have got similar lines of a small Sebbie but clearly not the same!

I.E. like these new Chinese models that have showed up from Bee/Enlan (I believe). I'm not going to mention where to order them cuz they are blatant rip offs! They are an ambitious lot they have Strider knock offs too!

I have two of the original silver 710's and they're so solid after a year it's unreal for about $6.95. Mine have polished edges and I am recovering from a bad finger stab on Monday. Prying with the little bugger and got carried away. Bad idea. :eek:

I threw into my office floor so hard I thought it would shatter but it stuck about a 1/2" in. After tending to my bleeding finger the darn 710 was hard to pull out and still has a razor edge on it. No point scuff. No lock interface problems. Like new. Not bad.
 
I can see the confusion between the Sebenza and the 710. I mean, come on, they both have... metal handles, and both are made with... steel, along with a type of clipping method built into the knives to attach them to something like a pocket. If you are legally blind, then yes, they do look a little similar in a vague way. If you really want to, you could find ways that my Leek looks like a Sebenza, so is it a slightly less poor man's Sebenza?
 
I think we should get this straight. If you own a 710 but don't own a Sebenza then you are poor.

People seem to be okay with the term "poorman's whatever" and really you shouldn't be.
 
guys come one i dont think the mods want to go through another b!tch-fest about the chinese makers, theres already plenty of those from the past. The OP did not ask for any opinions of what people think knife A looks like/is similar to knife B, or who copied who. just say congrats to the OP and let the thread die. for any new members who are curious about these debates use the search engine
 
Bluesummers said:
I think we should get this straight. If you own a 710 but don't own a Sebenza then you are poor.

People seem to be okay with the term "poorman's whatever" and really you shouldn't be.
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I don't know why you call owners poor. Most semi or not real knife people think that about $15 on a small folder is the right price to pay. At least if they buy one of these, the handle scale won't break in half and be swinging by one pin the 1st time it's dropped. And it will give them good solid service if cared for. Heck I've abuse one of mine and it looks like the one I haven't used.

Poor's got nothing to do with it these SRM, BEE Enlan offerings are high value in several items I've seen (about 5 or 6 that I gifted to happy non-knife owners). Forget Leeks for a second and think ZT0560, now that's what a lot are calling a poor man's Hinderer XM-18.

At least that's not a CCC folder, but I can forgive the little 710. It's tougher than most Leeks I've checked out IMHO. :)
 
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I think they're right, my Boker and Bradley look more like a Sebenza than that Sanrenmu 710....I don't know what I was thinking....
 
dano said:
Praising and gloating over a blatant ripoff of a product, especially when the real knife is represented by a participating sub forum on BF, doesnt seem correct, iit's in bad taste, disrespectful, or something else.
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I fully agree. The complete lack of integrity doesn't stop, here, either.

Threads like this are what ruined being a knife enthusiast, for me. Everybody had integrity when the China-made knock offs were of poor quality, but now that the fakes and knock offs are of a high level of quality, you see the true nature of people. There is no pride in being a part of this community, anymore. Every time I log on, I see another one of these threads on the front page.

It's depressing.
 
J85909266 said:
I fully agree. The complete lack of integrity doesn't stop, here, either.

Threads like this are what ruined being a knife enthusiast, for me. Everybody had integrity when the China-made knock offs were of poor quality, but now that the fakes and knock offs are of a high level of quality, you see the true nature of people. There is no pride in being a part of this community, anymore. Every time I log on, I see another one of these threads on the front page.

It's depressing.
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I know. I'm so ashamed every time I pay $10 for a knife when I could have paid $50 or $150 or $450 for something very similar.
 
i hate to admit it,but it is a nice knife for the price,made to the standards of the spyderco & benchmades from china.i have a friend who loves them. havent got one myself,if it was bigger i just might. luckily i have a sebenza but if ididnt i might very well go with this. after getting an 8.00 rough rider stroke of luck stockman,it has changed my views of china made knives. they have come a long way.the rr is my only china made knife,but i admit its quality is very high for the price...
 
Honestly I don't believe a single bit of the praise that these ultra cheap chines knives get on this forum. Everyone seems to dog every other knife maker on this forum but the moment that SRM/BEE/Enlan gets mentioned the knife is suddenly on par with just about any knife on the planet. In one thread people will pine over whether the axis lock is strong enough and then in the next thread those five dollar chinese knives are 'rock solid'. In one thread people debate whether CPM154 is a good enough steel these days compared to S30V and then in another the steel on an SRM/BEE/Enlan knife is 'super sharp'.

Bottom line is that it all smells like BS.
 
You know what? I'll grant that a 710 looks "like" a Sebenza. But the more important follow-up question is: so what? Nobody is going to mistake a 710 for a Sebenza. Nobody is going to see any "CRK" name or logo on a 710 because Sanrenmu markets it under its own name. Nobody who wants a Sebenza and is in their right minds will think getting a 710 is remotely like getting a Sebenza.

Don't confuse any maker counterfeiting cheap knives and marketing them under the real makers name with making knives that look like other company's knives. Lots of knives look like lots of other knives. Patterns like a Sodbuster become classics and get copied over and over. Blade shapes like a clip point, tanto and wharncliffe get used over and over, as do locking mechanisms. There's no patent on looks and no copyright I'm aware of on the shape of blades or handles.
 
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I bought an Umnumzaan. I have no use for a Sebenza now that I have a SRM 710.

Why would I pay $400 for a knife when I can get an EXACT copy for $10? When SRM comes up with a copy of the Umnum...I'll sell my CRK and buy 40 of the Chinese knockoffs.

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These constant debates are laughable.
 
I purchased a 710 about 3 months ago. For the price, it is a good knife. However, it sits on my shelf in favor of other knives that make it into my pocket. I think it is a good first knife but at this point in my addiction it just doesn't do it for me.
 
ThePharce said:
Anyone who thinks the 710 is a blatant ripoff of a sebenza has apparently never seen either knife.
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[sarcasm]Yeah, hard to believe anyone would find a similarity there. [/sarcasm]

I have seen both knives. I think the SRM is a blatant ripoff of the Sebenza.

I don't fault anyone for buying inexpensive Chinese-manufactured blades. Jumping up and down and getting all excited because the mailman finally dropped off your long-awaited product of China's most prolific source of mostly junk, however, strikes me as unnecessary. It's like posting in an automobile forum to tell everyone that the base Kia Venga you ordered is finally at the dealer's lot waiting for you.
 
I've seen this thread before, this image comes to mind:
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Do a quick forum search and see just how severe a beating this particular dead horse has endured.
 
I don't own any Chinese folders but I suspect the SRM/Bee/Enlen knives are certainly worth the price of 2 Starbucks Grande Lattes. Being so inexpensive is just as much if not more the reason they are thought of so lowly by many. If they were $45 there wouldn't be half the threads there is. I lived in Japan for 3 years and saw this mentality all the time. If it was cheap, it was considered junk. The only people in thrift shops over there were indeed poor or Americans!
 
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