So I received my SRM 710

[Cold Kill]

I don't own any Chinese folders but I suspect the SRM/Bee/Enlen knives are certainly worth the price of 2 Starbucks Grande Lattes. Being so inexpensive is just as much if not more the reason they are thought of so lowly by many. If they were $45 there wouldn't be half the threads there is. I lived in Japan for 3 years and saw this mentality all the time. If it was cheap, it was considered junk. The only people in thrift shops over there were indeed poor or Americans!

So they are worth like $50?

 

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[sarcasm]Yeah, hard to believe anyone would find a similarity there. [/sarcasm]

I have seen both knives. I think the SRM is a blatant ripoff of the Sebenza.

I don't fault anyone for buying inexpensive Chinese-manufactured blades. Jumping up and down and getting all excited because the mailman finally dropped off your long-awaited product of China's most prolific source of mostly junk, however, strikes me as unnecessary. It's like posting in an automobile forum to tell everyone that the base Kia Venga you ordered is finally at the dealer's lot waiting for you.

+1

What is next, posting up joy stories of $3 box cutters...they do work pretty good

 

[RetiredGuns]

So they are worth like $50?

With the price of coffee outpacing gold this just might be true!

 

[ThePharce]

Wow, jumping up and down? Really? I think some of y'all need to read my OP again. I just gave my thoughts. Wow, a year old necroed thread with same lame nercroed rhetoric. People, it's simple enough, if you have a problem with the 710 or Chinese products in general, avoid those threads. The arguments you bring have been repeated enough in this forum to where we all have them memorized.

 

[Shoki]

Wow, jumping up and down? Really? I think some of y'all need to read my OP again. I just gave my thoughts. Wow, a year old necroed thread with same lame nercroed rhetoric. People, it's simple enough, if you have a problem with the 710 or Chinese products in general, avoid those threads. The arguments you bring have been repeated enough in this forum to where we all have them memorized.

The same goes for the mindless praise of cheap Chinese garbage. The crappy knives you're extolling the virtues of are not now, nor ever will be, worth any amount of money. The fact that they're a rip-off of another design just makes them even more worthless in the eyes of a collector with any ethical sensibility.
I mentioned that this issue is a dead-horse and thread necromancy by newbs who can't be bothered to use the search function is certainly to blame for this particular train wreck but when the cat digs up an old turd, you can't expect people nearby to not mention how badly it stinks.

 

[Sep]

Honestly I don't believe a single bit of the praise that these ultra cheap chines knives get on this forum. Everyone seems to dog every other knife maker on this forum but the moment that SRM/BEE/Enlan gets mentioned the knife is suddenly on par with just about any knife on the planet. In one thread people will pine over whether the axis lock is strong enough and then in the next thread those five dollar chinese knives are 'rock solid'. In one thread people debate whether CPM154 is a good enough steel these days compared to S30V and then in another the steel on an SRM/BEE/Enlan knife is 'super sharp'.

Bottom line is that it all smells like BS.

Do you own any Sanrenmu / Bee / Enlan knife?

 

[Phil Elmore]

Wow, jumping up and down? Really? I think some of y'all need to read my OP again. I just gave my thoughts. Wow, a year old necroed thread with same lame nercroed rhetoric. People, it's simple enough, if you have a problem with the 710 or Chinese products in general, avoid those threads.

If you have a problem with others' bemusement at your starry-eyed wonder over purchase, at unremarkable market value, of a cheap Chinese copy of a more expensive knife, avoid the responses to these threads.

 

[Gadfly22]

The same goes for the mindless praise of cheap Chinese garbage. The crappy knives you're extolling the virtues of are not now, nor ever will be, worth any amount of money. The fact that they're a rip-off of another design just makes them even more worthless in the eyes of a collector with any ethical sensibility.
I mentioned that this issue is a dead-horse and thread necromancy by newbs who can't be bothered to use the search function is certainly to blame for this particular train wreck but when the cat digs up an old turd, you can't expect people nearby to not mention how badly it stinks.

I was going to post a snarky reply to this uninformed post. But then the mail came with my Sanrenmu 6261 and Enlan EL06. Either one of those is enough to put the lie to people railing against Chinese "crap". Both arriving together has me jumping up and down at the value I got -- i.e., the knife quality for dollars spent. So no reply necessary. The knives speak for themselves, as they always do.

 

[cziv]

I was going to post a snarky reply to this uninformed post. But then the mail came with my Sanrenmu 6261 and Enlan EL06. Either one of those is enough to put the lie to people railing against Chinese "crap". Both arriving together has me jumping up and down at the value I got -- i.e., the knife quality for dollars spent. So no reply necessary. The knives speak for themselves, as they always do.

Pics of you jumping up and down with your new CCC or it didn't happen! :yawn:

 

[Mtell1]

SRMs are nice knives...710 is awesome.

 

[Shoki]

I was going to post a snarky reply to this uninformed post. But then the mail came with my Sanrenmu 6261 and Enlan EL06. Either one of those is enough to put the lie to people railing against Chinese "crap". Both arriving together has me jumping up and down at the value I got -- i.e., the knife quality for dollars spent. So no reply necessary. The knives speak for themselves, as they always do.

Having worked in two retail knife stores and sold literally hundreds of examples of CCC knives to people just like you, I'd say I'm pretty informed on the subject. You go ahead and enjoy your naivety, I encourage you to jump up and down and get all kinds of super-excited about your purchase, it's an endless source of amusement.

 

[Gadfly22]

Having worked in two retail knife stores and sold literally hundreds of examples of CCC knives to people just like you, I'd say I'm pretty informed on the subject. You go ahead and enjoy your naivety, I encourage you to jump up and down and get all kinds of super-excited about your purchase, it's an endless source of amusement.

That's interesting. But did you sell Sanrenmu, Bee, Enlan, Navy or Ganzo brands within the last year? Because those are the only brands I'm talking about and the only time period (which is relevant since I understand that the quality has been improving drastically within the last few years).

And it's hard to be naive when I have 20 or so Spydercos and about the same number of Kershaws to compare them to (plus other assorted brands). And, as I always point out in these threads, the Chinese knives are NOT comparable to the better knives by makers like Spyderco or Kershaw. But they are on par (or are nearly on par) with the value folders that use 8Cr13MoV steel (or similar) produced by those brands. At a fraction of the price.

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

I can see the confusion between the Sebenza and the 710. I mean, come on, they both have... metal handles, and both are made with... steel, along with a type of clipping method built into the knives to attach them to something like a pocket. If you are legally blind, then yes, they do look a little similar in a vague way. If you really want to, you could find ways that my Leek looks like a Sebenza, so is it a slightly less poor man's Sebenza?

I bought an Umnumzaan. I have no use for a Sebenza now that I have a SRM 710.

Why would I pay $400 for a knife when I can get an EXACT copy for $10? When SRM comes up with a copy of the Umnum...I'll sell my CRK and buy 40 of the Chinese knockoffs.

.................:jerkit:



These constant debates are laughable.

The two above posts seem to contradict each other. So, do the lovers of the CCC 710 believe that it's NOT a copy, or that it is? Hmmmmmm.

 

[Pete2s]

TThe fact that they're a rip-off of another design just makes them even more worthless in the eyes of a collector with any ethical sensibility.

This is a terrible argument. Patents, and the protections they afford, expire to encourage competition and innovation. Patents expire so that the cost of goods remain competitive. Even if Chris Reeve had a new patent, the legal test for a ripoff is basically would a knife enthusiast mistake the SRM for a Sebenza?

Imagine the expense of goods and lack of innovation if only one company had exclusive rights to make a product. A knife enthusiast should be encouraging SRM.

 

[RetiredGuns]

Why pay $10 - $20 each for Snap-on wrenches

When you can get this whole combo set with pouch for $6.99!

Both take off nuts & bolts and are shiny...

Which do you want in your toolbox?

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

This is a terrible argument. Patents, and the protections they afford, expire to encourage competition and innovation. Patents expire so that the cost of goods remain competitive. Even if Chris Reeve had a new patent, the legal test for a ripoff is basically would a knife enthusiast mistake the SRM for a Sebenza?

Imagine the expense of goods and lack of innovation if only one company had exclusive rights to make a product. A knife enthusiast should be encouraging SRM.

You seem to have not taken into account ethics and morality. Just because the patent may be up and the design is free to be copied, doesn't make it the ethical or moral thing to do.

 

[Pete2s]

You seem to have not taken into account ethics and morality. Just because the patent may be up and the design is free to be copied, doesn't make it the ethical or moral thing to do.

I see nothing immoral about following the law, creating competition and lowering the cost of goods. The government gives the patent holder years of exclusive rights to create the product in exchange for disclosing the product to be copied at the end of the exclusivity period. Trying to extend the exclusivity period after enjoying years of exclusive rights is immoral.

 

[stabman]

I rememeber buying a $10 razor at a store and thinking "Wow, what a deal, an electric razor for $10!!!"
Then I used it...it managed to cut my skin and rip out random tufts of beard while not actually shaving me.
Then I realized the truth; "Oh, a $10 electric razor."
You get what you pay for.

 

[Shoki]

You seem to have not taken into account ethics and morality. Just because the patent may be up and the design is free to be copied, doesn't make it the ethical or moral thing to do.

Exactly. Profiting from a blatant ripoff of another person's design is the only thing that I have an issue with.


On the quality issue, there is nothing that will ever convince me that CCC knives are worth their cost of shipping. I don't care if they're quality is ''nearly on par' with the crappiest knives a major manufacturer produces because I don't buy Spyderco's or Kershaw's crappiest knives. You don't pay for a name, you pay for quality of materials and workmanship and the knives discussed in this thread simply have neither.

 

[Gadfly22]

If you have a problem with the "ripoff" of a design, that's fine. I can understand your ignorance of the law and ethics. I just hope you're consistent. If you see an opening in a blade that looks like it "rips off" the Spyderco hole -- maybe it's a slightly different shape and not perfectly round -- I hope you're just as indignant. I think a lot of those Chinese knives are pointy at the end too. Rip off.

And if you don't like the lesser offerings of the name brands and confine yourself to their better knives, that's fine too. But since you're offering your opinion on the comparison apples and oranges, it would have been nice to know earlier that you only like apples and hate oranges. The rest of us knew we were only talking about oranges. (Mandarin ones I guess.)