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Wow, so you're a lawyer AND a philosopher?
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So I received my SRM 710
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Lawyer by vocation. Philosopher by avocation.
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I should have seen that one coming.
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after so many of these threads in my short stint here. all the same points and counter points have been hashed out. no one is going to convince the other side to change their mind....it is an exercise in futility. fun to read, though.
the end result is always the same. some like 'em for the price point and fit and finish quality, and some do not for being either chinese made, copying designs, average materials used rather than higher grade materials, or some other political reasoning, or all of the above. there it's hashed out.
i own a couple srm's including a 710. i like mine and they work well for me. others dislike 'em, so be it. too each their own......
the end result is always the same. some like 'em for the price point and fit and finish quality, and some do not for being either chinese made, copying designs, average materials used rather than higher grade materials, or some other political reasoning, or all of the above. there it's hashed out.
i own a couple srm's including a 710. i like mine and they work well for me. others dislike 'em, so be it. too each their own......
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How old are you? How long have you been a lawyer?
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I do not know what the fuss is. I have a Benchmade 710 and it is a great knife. Quality, American made, and comfortable in the hand, the 710 rocks! Life is too short to buy crappy tools. All kidding aside, it is very sad to see morality go out the window. I had more hope for the next generation, maybe I will be let down. Even my 14 yr. old twin boys have a taste for quality, rather than quantity.
I would have more respect for SRM Bee and Enlan if they came up with their own distinct style, trademark, and look. To me, it is simply parasitic, and it makes me sick.
One of the problems with economics and greed is that buyers of mass merchants are always asking the manufacturers to make their product cheaper to keep profit margins higher. The manu then finds ways to cut corners, making a great product good, and then finally not good at all.
Wal-Mart is a great example of that. I sold to Wal Mart in a previous job, the buyers all wanted cost reductions. Manufacturing has to end up in China because they can do it with 3rd world labor, inexpensively. Where am I going with this? I support quality manufacturers such as Kershaw, Spyderco, Benchmade, etc. because I want/desire/require a quality tool. We may all be speaking chinese in a few years.
I choose to vote with my wallet.
I would have more respect for SRM Bee and Enlan if they came up with their own distinct style, trademark, and look. To me, it is simply parasitic, and it makes me sick.
One of the problems with economics and greed is that buyers of mass merchants are always asking the manufacturers to make their product cheaper to keep profit margins higher. The manu then finds ways to cut corners, making a great product good, and then finally not good at all.
Wal-Mart is a great example of that. I sold to Wal Mart in a previous job, the buyers all wanted cost reductions. Manufacturing has to end up in China because they can do it with 3rd world labor, inexpensively. Where am I going with this? I support quality manufacturers such as Kershaw, Spyderco, Benchmade, etc. because I want/desire/require a quality tool. We may all be speaking chinese in a few years.
I choose to vote with my wallet.
Awfully personal questions. But I've been a lawyer for over 25 years, practicing in the tax, trusts & estates and corporate areas (including some litigation in those fields). I've accumulated over 100 knives in a fairly short time, along with a number of different stones and sharpeners. I'm a very light user, but I know a good knife when I touch one.
What I've learned from forums like this one and personal use is that you can spend a lot of money on a knife and get a very good knife, and you can send a lot of money on a knife and get just a pretty good knife. You can also spend a little money on a knife and get a pretty good knife and spend a little money on a knife and get a crap knife.
And I also know -- as someone suggested above -- that I'm not going to reason anyone out of a belief that they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. But evidence is better than belief.
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I read it like this:
I bow to your cat-turdless wisdom.I made my post without referencing cat turds.
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How does this ALWAYS turn into an argument??? Everyone here vouches that the Tenacious is the best bang for the money... which from what I understand is made by one of these so called CCC companies. Also Kershaws made in china. So if we're gonna shit on Bee, Enlan and SRM, lets shit on the Persistence, Tenacious, Resilience, and all of the Byrd line. All Made In China. To each his own. If 8Cr13MOV works for you, use it. If you need higher quality S30V, use it. Now how many people here REALLY use their knives that much in one day that they'll completely dull any non-supersteel blade? Or are the majority of the people bashing others who like these knives made in China just stuck up and can afford CRK's and Striders....
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I'm one of those people who REALLY use my knives enough to dull them in one day, just look at my USA-made Kershaw Cyclone ( ± $40) on any given weekday around 3pm. I'm not bashing frugal knife shopping, I've got a $9 Mora on the way, but I will bash forgeries, ripoffs, knock-offs, and clones.
I read it like this:
I bow to your cat-turdless wisdom.
Unfortunately, what you mean is that I argue better than you and that you still think that your baseless opinion is better than an informed opinion. You'll recall that you never answered my question about your recent experience with Sanrenmu, Bee, Enlan, Navy and Ganzo. I'm guessing that your evasion means that you have none -- or at least none with the better products from those companies. Ergo, your opinion about the knives that others have actual experience with isn't a very educated opinion at all.
Enjoy your false feeling of superiority. Those of us who buy value knives will enjoy our knives. Along with the better knives that I (and I bet everyone else who has a 710) also buy.
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Many of us our disappointed with reputable manufacturers contracting these companies and producing more Chinese products with American logos on them. That is just as upsetting as the influx of inexperienced knife users that are wowed by low prices on knives shaped like established designs that don't fall apart when you open them like China knives used to do.
Some companies felt they did not have a choice. They needed to compete with the low cost China knife market or lose significant profit. Now these companies like Spyderco, Kershaw and Benchmade have shown the manufacturers a lot about how to manufacture a nice knife, and, in true China fashion, there manufacturers are abusing this new-found aptitude as blatantly as possible.
And here are these threads full of these people, ignorantly lapping it all up. Enjoy your cheap knives, guys. I'll be sitting here with my face buried in my hands, mumbling sour lamentations.
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Fine, I'll bite. My first physical introduction to Sanrenmu happened this summer when I was browsing a flea market in Vermont. I stop at any and all tables with knives because there are often gems among the junk and one table in particular caught my eye. There, amongst the S&W and M-Tech offerings was a Sebenza!
''Couldn't be!", thought I. Closer inspection validated my doubt as I approached the table. My feelings on rip-offs aside, I was not impressed with the knife and I felt it was right at home nestled in with the rest of the junk. It didn't strike me as any more special than any of the hundreds of other examples of cheap Chinese junk that I've handled (and had the misfortune of using on more than one occasion).
For the record and as mentioned above, I am one of those people who buy value knives. My EDC cost me $20 and my next will probably be around the same price.
So let's be clear: a forgery is making something and pretending that it's produced by someone else. Sanrenmu et al. don't do that. What's a "rip-off"? That's some kind of vague term for taking something that doesn't belong to you. I don't know how it applies in a business where lots of products look like lots of other products, but you just keep blithering on about it.
A "knock-off" again is a counterfeit put out under a brand name that's not your own -- or is just an innocent copy. A very common occurrence in, say, fashion, where off-brand makers might market a jacket or shirt or dress based on a far more expensive design. And the market likes that because it gets good quality to buyers who can't afford the top-line designers.
And a "clone" is a term that was applied to computers that emulated the IBM PC design back in the day. But I guess you're using it loosely again to refer to a thing that looks like another thing. Kind of how cars will start looking like other cars from different makers because the design is nice and people buy it.
It seems like it all boils down to not liking something for whatever pretextual reason you can throw out there. That means -- to me -- that you're someone whose opinion is worthless since it's a crapshoot as to whether that opinion will be based on reason and experience or just some blind prejudice and knee-jerk reaction.
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If all you're going to do on this forum is "argue" then I hope you don't stay here very long. Your holier than thou lawyer attitude is extremely abrasive, knives aside.
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You just do not get it do you? It is the fact that the designs are ripped off, not as much as where they were made. I buy Spyderco, but not Byrd. Howver Byrd is still a Spyderco design, and I respect that even though I don't desire one. There was ingenuity in the design, that took time, design, and engineering efforts. The other companies (not sure if all 3) rip off designs to make their knives look familiar with known quality brands. That is the problem Bernie. My jack stands in the garage are made in China, and I am ok with that. Chris Reeves did not design those jack stands.
So you touched a 710 once in passing without knowing if it was new or used, never used it or sharpened it or did more than fondle it at a table. And from that minimal experience, you are trying to educate other people about it. That's about what I thought.
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