So if Busse is gonna use SR101 and the Yard is gonna use 5160...

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Cobalt said:
Uhh, not it's not 52100. It is different.
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I have heard this in the past but I have yet to see anyone post what the difference is. Even the Swamp site states its 52100 with added Kryptonite but from what I have gathered that is simply a dialed in HT not necessarily anything added to the steel mix itself. If it something added to the mix I would love to know what it is because it really is a very good performing steel.

number41 said:
Sorry man but I am not trying to be funny or anything..... I had 2 x EJ from Fehrman and compaired edge impact toughness to my 911 chopping into a 12 mm hardened bolt 20 times with each blade. The Fehrman had a massive chip and the 911 did not. That's just a fact. I'm still a Fehrman fan and enjoy the knives. I were very surprised when this happened.
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I had no issues at all with my First Strike but I didnt ever try to chop a bolt in half. One thing that may have happened is you hit a carbide in the 3V because it does have may more carbides in it than SR101 which is why it holds its edge longer.

Again guys I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with SR101 it is easily one of my favorite user steels EVER. I absolutely love this stuff it is imo the best jack of all trades steel currently in use.
 
number41 said:
Sorry man but I am not trying to be funny or anything..... I had 2 x EJ from Fehrman and compaired edge impact toughness to my 911 chopping into a 12 mm hardened bolt 20 times with each blade. The fehrman had a massive chip and the 911 did not. That's just a fact. I'm still a Fehrman fan and enjoy the knives. I were very surprised when this happened.
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I would strongly suspect a difference in edge geometry or another variable as the culprit. 3V is just loads tougher than 52100.
 
Do you people know who you're arguing with? Get serious. If Jerry puts SR101 up against 3V, I'm backing Jerry . . . period!
 
Ask the boss! Meanwhile, I've seen SR101 do some things that would boggle your mind including being bent at ridiculous angles without fracturing or taking a set. That alloy is so good in so many different configurations (small, medium and large) that I've never felt the need to go to INFI. In fact, I only own one INFI knife and the only reason I bought that one is because it just seemed like the right thing to do. ;) But when it comes to fixed-blades, I could happily live the rest of my life with nothing but SR-101 knives.
 
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bld522 said:
Ask the boss!
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Well, my RatManDu is an exceptional knife, but the steel sure acts like 52100. Maybe I'm missing something, but putting the pieces together it sure seems like SR-101 is very nice, optimally heat-treated 52100. Mine certainly doesn't hold its edge like 3V, though that could be from a variety of factors. And if it is 52100, of any stripe, 3V at comparable hardness is just going to be a whole lot tougher.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
. . . if [SR101] is 52100, of any stripe, 3V at comparable hardness is just going to be a whole lot tougher.
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Maybe yes, maybe no . . .

number41 said:
Sorry man but I am not trying to be funny or anything..... I had 2 x [Extreme Judgements] from Fehrman and compared edge impact toughness to my 911 chopping into a 12 mm hardened bolt 20 times with each blade. The fehrman had a massive chip and the 911 did not. That's just a fact. I'm still a Fehrman fan and enjoy the knives. I were very surprised when this happened.
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You can conjecture as much as you want to, but there's just no substitute for empirical evidence.

PS: I still say you need to take your doubts up with the boss! Here's how to reach him: (419) 923-6471.

Have fun! :)
 
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Neither do I. But Jerry's results speak for themselves. You can buy the best or you can buy the rest. :)
 
bld522 said:
Maybe yes, maybe no . . .


You can conjecture as much as you want to, but there's just no substitute for empirical evidence.

PS: I still say you need to take your doubts up with the boss! Here's how to reach him: (419) 923-6471.

Have fun! :)
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If you think that's empirical evidence I have a bridge to sell you.
 
If you call yours empirical evidence, I'll make an offer. ;) And I'll also make a phone call if you go first. :)
 
PatrickKnight said:
I have heard this in the past but I have yet to see anyone post what the difference is. Even the Swamp site states its 52100 with added Kryptonite but from what I have gathered that is simply a dialed in HT not necessarily anything added to the steel mix itself. If it something added to the mix I would love to know what it is because it really is a very good performing steel.



I had no issues at all with my First Strike but I didnt ever try to chop a bolt in half. One thing that may have happened is you hit a carbide in the 3V because it does have may more carbides in it than SR101 which is why it holds its edge longer.

Again guys I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with SR101 it is easily one of my favorite user steels EVER. I absolutely love this stuff it is imo the best jack of all trades steel currently in use.
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I know, you are correct, numbers have never been posted. SR101 is(was, can't say for sure anymore and I have not verified this information either, but the source of the information was very reliable and would have had no reason to lie) 52100 with a higher Chromium content. A lot higher.
 
I personally think SR101 is simply 52100 with a dialed in HT some people may feel different but I think we can all agree it is one hell of an alloy and its one I would bet my life on without hesitation.

In fact all of my kits (BOB and GHB) that I would call upon in an oh crap situation have SR101 blades in them which speaks volumes to how I feel about the alloy.


Cobalt do you know the % of chromium in it by chance?
 
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Cobalt said:
I know, you are correct, numbers have never been posted. SR101 is (was, can't say for sure anymore and I have not verified this information either, but the source of the information was very reliable and would have had no reason to lie) 52100 with a higher Chromium content. A lot higher.
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I remember your original post concerning that. And you stated back then that SR101 was 52100 with a higher Chromium content. So your information remains consistent.

PatrickKnight said:
. . . all of my kits (BOB and GHB) that I would call upon in an oh crap situation have SR101 blades in them which speaks volumes to how I feel about the alloy.
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My kits as well! :thumbup:
 
bld522 said:
I remember your original post concerning that. And you stated back then that SR101 was 52100 with a higher Chromium content. So your information remains consistent.



My kits as well! :thumbup:
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5% to be exact...and I may attempt to verify that this year.
 
Yep. There aren't many alloys out there if any that can match SR101's extreme toughness and strength with its ability to take and hold an incredible edge. If Jerry had never developed INFI, I'd have been a Busse fan based on SR101 alone.
 
I may be wrong here but at 5% that would make it an air hardening steel. So if we know for sure if its oil or air hardened we can determine if it is 5% or lower. 5% is a ton more than standard 52100 which would account for why the Rats hold such a nice edge but I still don't think that addition would put it on the same edge holding or toughness plane as 3V.

This thread has now caused me to take my RMD out of my urban oh crap kit and sharpen it!!!!

Also I wonder if the addition of more chromium was after they stopped doing DHT? That much chromium would likely make DHT near impossible since it helps to harden the alloy also I am fairly certain you cant DHT an air hardened steel which at 5% chromium SR101 would be.
 
bld522 said:
If you call yours empirical evidence, I'll make an offer. ;) And I'll also make a phone call if you go first. :)
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I'd actually love to get the evidence on it. The Swamp gets you great performance for your money, but if SR-101 can really outperform 3V in almost every aspect then they're almost criminally underpriced!
 
I dont know about outperform but I can tell you that SR101 will hold its own against 3V (take this with a grain of salt as I don't really care for 3V all that much). 3V does hold its edge longer but its such a pain to sharpen compared to SR101 the trade off isn't worth it for me.
 
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