SOG's Official Response

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rramjet said:
Just curious...how many people posting on these threads have actually owned a SOG knife?... But all of your comments would carry more weight if you all were not already so negative about SOG from before.
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There are probably people working at SOG who weren't even born when I bought my first one. I've owned SOGs for nearly 25 years, does that give my opinion more weight than someone who doesn't own one but might have bought one before all this? I still occasionally carry a SOG Stingray I bought in the 80's, amazing little folder, built like a tank, but that doesn't mean that todays SOG isn't copying (sounds nicer than 'ripping off') others designs instead of coming up with their own new ones, or improving older designs.

They could have taken some of their old, well loved, lock back models and upgraded them with the arc-lock and people would have been happy. Much happier than seeing Spyderco etc copies with SOG logos.
 
I see no reason why SOG would disclose how much they pay for the right to copy. It would make it very difficult for them to fairly negotiate further copyrights from others.
 
ron_m80 said:
I see no reason why SOG would disclose how much they pay for the right to copy. It would make it very difficult for them to fairly negotiate further copyrights from others.
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What makes you think they are paying anyone anything? Guess you didn't read the 2 quotes from makers whose designs were copied? They aren't getting anything and seem upset.

I have never owned a SOG before. Does that mean I can't use my 2 eyes to see an obvious copy of another company/ person's work? What difference does it make if someone has or has not owned one of their knives before? That makes no sense. I was thinking about trying out one of their knives with the ARC lock but will stick with the original AXIS lock now.

If you don't like people bringing this to others attention then don't read the post. I am glad it was brought up because I don't want to support a company that can't come up with their own designs and copies others without permission. I may have never seen the copies and bought one of their knives anyway. But now I know better.

For those that say it isn't a big deal, I bet if it was your design they copied and it was money they were taking out of your pocket, you might have a different perspective. I would be willing to bet most in the knife industry would allow their design to be used if asked and credited. But that never happened apparently.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
Guess you didn't read the 2 quotes from makers whose designs were copied?
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What makers? You're the rights owner?

If you don't like people bringing this to others attention then don't read the post. I am glad it was brought up because I don't want to support a company that can't come up with their own designs and copies others without permission.
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I think your assuming too much about what i think.
 
I don't own any SOGs but I did notice Nutinfancy loves their assisted openers. I might have bought one because of his recommendation at some point.

However now, if I can get a SOGGYCO rip off copy for about $10 I might get one. It'll have to be real real cheap knock off to temp me away from a real innovative knife company, Spyderco. Sorry that a $10 SOGGYCO Endura might sway me but hey, I'm human. Been wanting to try an Endura for a while and a SOGGYCO would be better quality than a true Chinese knockoff.

For the record I only own one Spyderco, a Native, but follow thier product line. Great company.
 
ron_m80 said:
What makers? You're the rights owner?



I think your assuming too much about what i think.
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It was post 63 of this thread.

I never said I was anything? Don't know what "You're the rights owner?" means?

Only the first little paragraph after your quote was directed towards you. The second part I was not directing at you. It was directed at the others who don't seem to appreciate the thread. Sorry I didn't make myself more clear.
 
This just raises my curiousity because I was thinking that SOG might be, and I hope not, the next knife company to hit hard times. It seems like to me that they are trying to hit too many market segments from the highend to the lower end (Fusion) and does that mean they are trying harder to get more attention and potential customers?I own three SOGS, two fixed blades and a stingray, but I always wanted a Sog fixed blade recon in sk 5 steel and leather handle before they discontinued it. So does this mean that they are getting over extended?
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
It was post 63 of this thread.
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IMO, the only people qualified to speak on this issue, have spoken. And you linked it once again. There really isn't much else to add to it other than that.

I never said I was anything? Don't know what "You're the rights owner?" means?
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I didn't take offence, it was clarification. IMO the rights owners are the only ones entitled to a lengthy responce.

If the rights owners do not care to pursue this, than the rights have been forfited, and its a mute issue IMO. I guess thats only me.

I was done with buying SOG knives back on or around 1990 something. I just didn't find anything in the product line that i prefered.
 
ron_m80 said:
IMO, the only people qualified to speak on this issue, have spoken. And you linked it once again. There really isn't much else to add to it other than that.



I didn't take offense, it was clarification. IMO the rights owners are the only ones entitled to a lengthy response.

If the rights owners do not care to pursue this, than the rights have been forfeited, and its a mute issue IMO. I guess that's only me.

I was done with buying SOG knives back in 1990 something. I just didn't find anything in the product line that i preferred.
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Suddenly free speech is in danger. :rolleyes:

Aside from the multiple threads on this topic, why do you think that we as users can't be offended by plagiarism in knife design by a company?
 
Josh K said:
I was referring to your opinion. Your opinion is that if the wronged party doesn't make a stink about it, we don't have a right to.
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I know what you refered to, but you are implying that because this topic is "popular" I shouldn't have an opinion about an owners rights.

It is not that i say "you should not speak how you feel" thats your interpetation.

I thought i covered it, but since you need it again "IMO, if the rights owner doesn't pursue fault, than its a dead issue." Thats my opinion. I find it difficult to feel / understand how much damage one can claim by extention of liking another maker.
 
ron_m80 said:
I know what you refered to, but you are implying that because this topic is "popular" I shouldn't have an opinion about an owners rights.

It is not that i say "you should not speak how you feel" thats your interpetation.

I thought i covered it, but since you need it again "IMO, if the rights owner doesn't pursue fault, than its a dead issue." Thats my opinion. I find it difficult to feel / understand how much damage one can claim by extention of liking another maker.
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You said this.

ron_m80 said:
IMO, the only people qualified to speak on this issue, have spoken. And you linked it once again. There really isn't much else to add to it other than that.

I didn't take offence, it was clarification. IMO the rights owners are the only ones entitled to a lengthy responce.

If the rights owners do not care to pursue this, than the rights have been forfited, and its a mute issue IMO. I guess thats only me.
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You're free to have all the opinions you want, I'm saying I disagree that simply because a maker doesn't "care to pursue this" doesn't mean we are not "qualified" or "entitled" to a "lengthy response."
 
Josh K said:
... I'm saying I disagree...
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Well now you have. You hadn't until then.

Prior to that you asked questions which implied the need or desire for a responce.

You went even further when you highlighted my mispellings as if it said something about my character.

:D
 
ron_m80 said:
Well now you have. You hadn't until then.

Prior to that you asked questions which implied the need or desire for a response.

You went even further when you highlighted my misspellings as if it said something about my character.

:D
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I did ask a question, you still haven't answered it simply moving on to the "why can't I have an opinion" bit.

The misspellings were more glaring then a show of character.
 
Why didn't you guys start a thread like this when Case came out with the Trapperlock after Boker's Trapperliner?
 
TheGent said:
Why didn't you guys start a thread like this when Case came out with the Trapperlock after Boker's Trapperliner?
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SOG was much easier to notice because these knockoffs came out at the same time. Apparently some respected companies do make some very blatant copies, but some of them slip by. I personally would like to know which companies they are. For the record, I have no idea whether or not Case actually unethically copied Boker. This post is just a general statement.
 
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