Spark crossed a line

I don't care about anyones finances, that is not what I cared about. I also don't know if Spark is on a mission to destroy Mick, or has some idea that he did something and wants it exposed.

The reason I still believe that Spark stepped over a line is the lack of evidence presented. There is a lot of "that couldn't have happened, so he lied" but no proof. What has been proven, has backed up claims made. So I have a hard time calling someone a liar when the "hard" proof backs up claims made, and the whole tower of "proof" to call them a liar is "soft" touchy feely stuff.

Someone posted a link to POWNET earlier, and even there, the parts they are pulling up of the service time is in agreement with statements made by Mick. There are still hearsay and speculation from some of the major players in this fiasco, but there is no evidence. No one who claims to have heard XXX from his lips.

--Carl


Look, I am not quoting you to single you out, but rather to make a larger point.

Why is everyone so intent on waving the red cape in front of each others' noses?

All of the easily assembled "proof" has been amassed. What that evidence says entirely depends on the weight the reader gives it. To some, it is damning, and to others inconsequential.

This topic had largely died down into a pile of ashes. It was clear that Mr. Strider was not going to engage his critics and at least one primary critic had agreed to drop his needling.;) Spark himself had locked the "offending" thread. There things were going to remain, eventually a curiousity only to those who'd search for it.

But no, we have people actively fanning the flames back into a conflagration.

If you can be described as such, (and I'd begin with the marginal, counterfeited, two cents provided by the OP of the this thread), what in the hell are your intentions? Whatever they are, they could probably use some close self-scrutinization.

It is amusing that anyone would think they were helping Mick Strider out by throwing brickbats at Spark after the fact. If you want him to drop it, I certainly fail to see how that objective is achieved by reviving the general rancor.

Anyone wheezing on about flimsy evidence is all but begging him, or someone even more motivated by whatever drive, to get stuff on Mr. Strider that would be way more definitive.

Again, how does that help Mr. Strider?

I have apologized for my over the top zeal in pursuing Mick Strider and his supporters in the earlier threads. A point was made and then transformed into an arsenal of rhetorical broadsides that exceeded the bounds of reasonable debate. Fortunately, many people agreed to drop this matter when I did. Some obviously cannot take a cue. Others can however.

From my read on it, Spark was going to let it lay. He and Michelle finally seemed to have agreed to disagree.

But now we see some sort of brain dead zombie of the original threads. I say brain dead because this thread lacks any sort of the zest of the original threads.

So why are people into death warmed over? If it is the case that the B-Team is coming in with their loose change well after the main action is over, that is simply pathetic.

If the end is to get Spark to apologize for ever bringing matters to a head, I think you'll sooner spontaneously combust as see that happen.

So again, what is the point of this thread?

Some have said it is to discuss the propriety of Spark's behavior or methods in daring to discuss Mr. Strider.

How is it that such can be done without embroiling Mr. Strider into the "discussion" all over again?

This topic was essentially over.

In all of my years on this planet, I've never heard of anyone envying a carrion bird picking over a rotting carcass, yet here we have seen a few people acting every bit the part.

What gives people?
 
I don't want to re-hash the Mick thing. Only reason I posted in this thread is I get tired of people jumping up and down yelling "libel" when they don't like someone's opinion. I then voiced my opinion on topic, that I believe that Spark crossed the line. I personally don't think that it involves Mick any more than that is where Spark crossed the line.

--Carl
 
Yep, and when this one dies down, someone else will come along and start another. This seems to be a topic that is going to hang around for a long, long time.

Rightfully so, when a company bases its marketing on a lie, it should be exposed and discussed until the knife community has absorbed the news.

Remeber when Mercworx was crucified for its "super secret squirrel" marketing campaign that turned out to be based on lies.

I do not think that Spark is attacking Strider unfairly. However, Spark does have a negative history with Strider. Therefore, do not base your opinion on what spark writes. However, read the registered legal documents. I have and it is damning.
 
Things would "die down" much faster if Strider made some public apologies for his lies and deceptions.
 
oh i dont know about that, allenC, imho it would just get everything rolling again, i dont have a dog in this fight but i dont see where it would do him any good to post on this site, everyone has already made up there minds one way/another and him posting isnt gonna change that.
 
Things would "die down" much faster if Strider made some public apologies for his lies and deceptions.

oh i dont know about that, allenC, imho it would just get everything rolling again, i dont have a dog in this fight but i dont see where it would do him any good to post on this site, everyone has already made up there minds one way/another and him posting isnt gonna change that.

It would convince me. As it stands now, I will never purchase a Strider product and do my best to dissuade everyone I know with even a passing interest from doing so. If Mr. Strider can address the well-documented issues, and perhaps apologize, I will reconsider my stance. I imagine a lot of others will too.
 
Things would "die down" much faster if Strider made some public apologies for his lies and deceptions.


Agreed. Strider is capable of making good knives. An apology and rebranding of the high speed operator mythos is in order.

Marketing to the high-speed low-drag operator market, does not require the maker to be a high speed operator.

The maker should be an artist, engineer and a craftsman. Mick has all that.

Being less than truthful, just robs the value of the good qualities.

Mick should come clean in order to save his company. If he is a covert operator, then he cannot affirm or deny the allegations.

However, if that is true, he cannot base his marketing on facts that he cannot "affirm or deny". Either way, SKI needs to respond and adapt to this new development.

Doing nothing will serve to alienate those who feel they have been lied to and reduce the number of SKI collectors abound. That can only hurt sales and valuations of collector pieces.

This unfortunate development is just a sign of the capitalist system at work correcting valuations and governing itself. If SKI was publicly traded, the stock would plummet until management address the issues to the buying public.
 
I also agree. If he just comes out and clarifies any and all information, apologizing along the way for any hand he may have had in spreading that information (or misinformation), it would clear the road ahead of him to sell his knives without any of this cloud over him. Will he lose customers in doing so? Maybe, but he will also gain some.

Kinda like the Jason Giambi thing in New York (Yankees). He was derided and scoffed at when it came out that he took steroids, but as soon as he owned up to it and apologized and then hit a few good home runs after owning up, he was accepted again. Maybe not by all, but by most.

A good knife is a good knife. It's a shady maker that turns a lot of the buyers of good knives away. Correct the shady part and it would seem that he's got it made. But then again there are the old sayings about old dogs and new tricks, and leopards and their spots.

All of this is *assuming* Mick Burger has anything to apologize for. It seems that he does.
 
None of us know why Spark started that thread, but everyone here should realize by now that impugning his motives in this thread has only served to highlight Mick Strider's reputation. Not entirely for the best, either. The more his loyalists arrive to defend him, the worse he looks.
 
*snipped
Also my name is not Arnie. It's Arne. What name is on your drivers license? "Lifter"?
:)

No, he uses his name Dave all the time.

I use Ira but not for the same reasons as Dave.

I am a very secret American secret agent, it is very very secret and everyone knows it!!!!:eek: :D

When I leave the Farm for parts unknown I carry cow patty stars, veal chips (Mac and Windows types), and sometimes a Strider (cannot tell you the model. it's secret stuff damnit!!!):cool:

And I am not a Doctor either, NEVER said I was, I just slepped at a Holiday Inn Express.

So in closing, Lifter's a buddy and can kick my Ass even if he developed Polio but never will because,

I am a secret Agent for the US Government but cannot tell you what Country, it's secret!!!:p :D


Life's too short, enjoy what you have. I just came home after having my 57th surgery and Mick strider being or not being full of shit means nothing when there's so much bigger shiit in life to deal with.

AND I do suffer PTSD but not from sleeping at the Holiday Inn:grumpy: ;)
 
Originally Posted by DocArnie
What name is on your drivers license? "Lifter"?

Originally Posted by wolfmann601
No, he uses his name Dave all the time.

I use Ira but not for the same reasons as Dave.

I am a very secret American secret agent, it is very very secret and everyone knows it!!!!

You mean he's the same guy as Lifter's Leather, the one who starts his home page with "Hi, my name is Dave ..." ? :D

Anyway, Ira, your secret is out. WE know you're the man they named the I.R.A. after. Millions of Americans owe their Individual Retirement Accounts to your brilliance!

Thank you. :cool:
 
Somethin' worth talkin' about:

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Make no mistake: The recent negetive publicity about Mr. Strider on Bladeforums has impacted sales of Strider knives, and the Strider "A Team" has not been able to achieve effective damage control. Since Mr. Strider has not addressed Sparks allegations (IMO for obvious reasons), it is evident to me he is hoping this controversy just burns itself out (The impact to sales on a continuing basis is directly proportional to how "fresh" the negetive publicity is). The problem now is the loosely organized Strider "B Team" has continued to rekindle the fire and the A Team is at a loss how to control this. Good luck, Team. You're going to need it.
 
A word from the Poet of Knives:

"In the dark and dingy world of knives,
there are secrets that may change our lives.

Some say secret squirrels are around...
but are they wolves, or is one a hound?

What is true and what is not?
Is the integrity that you see what you got?

One thing is for sure - Spark may be the snitch,
but that does not change the other's false pitch." :p
 
You know, I love how I'm suddenly a snitch when all this stuff has been laying around in public view for however long. Seriously, wtf, this is the most bizarre thing yet. Since when did it become "snitching" to call BS on liars? Is this what's happened to society? That it's more honorable to let a liar spin his tales than to stand up and say it's wrong?
 
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