Spark crossed a line

Spark said:
You know, I love how I'm suddenly a snitch when all this stuff has been laying around in public view for however long. Seriously, wtf, this is the most bizarre thing yet. Since when did it become "snitching" to call BS on liars? Is this what's happened to society? That it's more honorable to let a liar spin his tales than to stand up and say it's wrong?
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not to get all philosophical, but this is the way that i see society heading. i was a teacher for the past four years and it was suprising to see people afraid of doing right if it meant that someone would get in trouble for their honesty. i don't like to think that it has spread to the adult population, or mean to imply that it has in this situation, but i find your comment interesting in light of what i've seen.
 
ron mathews said:
Make no mistake: The recent negetive publicity about Mr. Strider on Bladeforums has impacted sales of Strider knives, and the Strider "A Team" has not been able to achieve effective damage control. Since Mr. Strider has not addressed Sparks allegations (IMO for obvious reasons), it is evident to me he is hoping this controversy just burns itself out (The impact to sales on a continuing basis is directly proportional to how "fresh" the negetive publicity is). The problem now is the loosely organized Strider "B Team" has continued to rekindle the fire and the A Team is at a loss how to control this. Good luck, Team. You're going to need it.
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W..h..a..t........????
 
Spark said:
You know, I love how I'm suddenly a snitch when all this stuff has been laying around in public view for however long. Seriously, wtf, this is the most bizarre thing yet. Since when did it become "snitching" to call BS on liars? Is this what's happened to society? That it's more honorable to let a liar spin his tales than to stand up and say it's wrong?
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I commend you for calling attention to this shameful information.

Given the size of Strider's share of the market, it is important to the integrity of tactical knife industry as a whole.
 
Spark I only used the word "snitch" because it rhymes.
I served as well and do not condone what Burger has done at all.
The post was made with my tongue firmly in my cheek.
Dirk
 
Fair enough, thank you for that clarification.
 
As far as I am concerned, the only way that someone could consider what Spark did as crossing the line would be if they believed he was being malicious. I do not for one minute believe that what he did was done with malice.

There is nothing wrong with what Spark did if it was done to get to the truth of the matter. The fact that there are people that don't like what Spark did, doesn't make what he did wrong. It just means that there are people that want this stuff to go away. I have a feeling that no matter how much some people wish it wasn't so, it isn't going to go away. That will only happen when all the questions are answered. If the answers are not forthcoming, this topic is going to come up again, and again, and again. In that thread it was Spark asking for clarification. In the future it will be others, no matter how much damage control is attempted. If Mick isn't willing to, or doesn't feel that it merits explanation, he and his supporters are going to have to live with this being a recurring theme.
 
marginal, counterfeited, two cents provided by the OP of the this thread
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Not sure how marginal and counterfeited apply, but I must admit I couldn't get myself to read through all of your posts so maybe I missed a build-up to that. As far as my motivation, simple, as a member of this community I strongly felt that actions of Spark was an innappropriate use of his forum as I disagree with Keith, it is appears to me that Sparks intention was malicious. I am only a member, and felt obliged to make my opinion known as a member of the community. I must give credit where it is due though, I am impressed that Spark has let this thread continue.

I do not consider myself a Strider "loyalist", I just recognize the tremendous positive, though often controversial, influence Mick Strider has had to the knife community in the 4 or 5 years I have been frequenting knife forums and feel he deserves support from those who benefited from his efforts, generosity and enthusiasm. This debacle, in my opinion, is not the calm fact finding mission that Spark et al espouses, but an ill-natured witch hunt.

The reason for posting this thread many days after the original attack by Spark, was, as stated in the original post, because I had been almostly completely offline while traveling through Australia and missed it when it went down. It wasn't until a short time prior starting this post that I learned that a smear campaign was launched by Spark against Mick Strider. I've refrained from posting again since thinking the thread would die down as there is an understandable strong collective desire to stop going around in circles over this issue. However, since it is still getting fresh posts I wanted to address the questions about my motives.
 
Marginal and counterfeit in that you brought exactly NOTHING new to the controversy.

Maybe you should just resume your walkabout until you have something interesting to add.

Scab picking isn't in great demand on this topic.
 
dizos said:
As far as my motivation, simple, as a member of this community I strongly felt that actions of Spark was an innappropriate use of his forum as I disagree with Keith, it is appears to me that Sparks intention was malicious.
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Disagreement is okay, and you have been very respectful. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion. I felt that it would have been better for you not to have started this thread, but sometimes it is important to get things off your chest.
 
dizos said:
... It wasn't until a short time prior starting this post that I learned that a smear campaign was launched by Spark against Mick Strider. ...
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"Smear" campaign would imply that the points Spark made are false. No one has come forward to challenge the facts about Mick Strider's lies, only to attack Spark. Sounds more like a smear campaign against Spark.
 
eojk said:
It would convince me. As it stands now, I will never purchase a Strider product and do my best to dissuade everyone I know with even a passing interest from doing so. If Mr. Strider can address the well-documented issues, and perhaps apologize, I will reconsider my stance. I imagine a lot of others will too.
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he has addressed them, just not on this forum, apologised too IIRC, i would venture to say i am not the only one who has seen this, so, again, i dont think it would do him any good, is that what i would do?? well, no, but then again i wouldnt get myself into something like this.

just to clarify, i buy striders because they are heavy duty, interesting knives, i dont care one iota what the makers backgrounds are, when i got my 1st strider, a GB, back in IIRC '99 or so, i had no idea that the makers had a specops background, i buy the knife not the person making them.

no i dont think what he did was right, dont agree with that at all, a silly thing to do imho, but what can he say now? there is only a few options, think about it, none good imho, nothing for him to gain here.

if i understand correctly, he doesnt figure he owes anyone on this forum anything, and he doesnt post on the 'net anymore (or isnt gonna for a while)
 
ron mathews said:
Make no mistake: The recent negetive publicity about Mr. Strider on Bladeforums has impacted sales of Strider knives, and the Strider "A Team" has not been able to achieve effective damage control. Since Mr. Strider has not addressed Sparks allegations (IMO for obvious reasons), it is evident to me he is hoping this controversy just burns itself out (The impact to sales on a continuing basis is directly proportional to how "fresh" the negetive publicity is). The problem now is the loosely organized Strider "B Team" has continued to rekindle the fire and the A Team is at a loss how to control this. Good luck, Team. You're going to need it.
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I wonder where you got this information? Do you have any figures to verify this claim?

Neil Ostroff / TNK
Authorized Strider Dealer
 
SIFU1A said:
he has addressed them, just not on this forum...

if i understand correctly, he doesnt figure he owes anyone on this forum anything, and he doesnt post on the 'net anymore (or isnt gonna for a while)
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He kind of addressed them.

He is correct, he doesn't owe anyone on this forum anything.
 
Neil Ostroff said:
I wonder where you got this information? Do you have any figures to verify this claim?

Neil Ostroff / TNK
Authorized Strider Dealer
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Following is but a small sampling from this thread of a much larger group that lurks and doesn't post. There have been over 12,000 views of this thread alone. The thread that Spark locked is even more telling. Many people are now firmly entrenched in one camp or the other, but there are also "fence sitters" and potential Strider knife buyers that will stumble on these threads in the future. THOSE are the people that are being targeted here. Why do you think the A Team has mounted such a massive defence? It doesn't take a genius to figure out sales have been and most likely will continue be impacted.

Barrabas said:
I bought my Striders partially because of the Mystique of them being made by someone who was in the special forces etc. I don't regret buying them, I like the products, but I wonder if I would have been as quick to buy them, if all the cards were on the table.

I don't know..

sp
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MisterSat said:
As far as Strider knives, I don't own one and never will. That is a simple matter of honesty and integrity. Dishonest is dishonest. I do not knowingly give my money to dishonest people and especially not to those who falsly pump up their products on ficticious honor.
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fedaykincmndr said:
. I got rid of my Buck/Strider knives and I'll never buy anything with the "Strider" name on it ever again. It's incomprehensible and detestable that a man would live a lie like that and continue to live it even after being called on it. It shows a lack of moral character and cowardice and I want no part of it. These things that I've said are my own feelings and it's not solely based on Sparks' expose; I can do my own research, thank you. That's the way I feel as a veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps and as an American. Lying about your service is the same as treason to me.
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allenC said:
As an old Soldier myself, I find Strider to be a dispicable fraud.
And as a forum member, I find Strider to be a pathetic loser.:thumbdn:

I'll never give him a penny.
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eojk said:
As it stands now, I will never purchase a Strider product and do my best to dissuade everyone I know with even a passing interest from doing so. If Mr. Strider can address the well-documented issues, and perhaps apologize, I will reconsider my stance. I imagine a lot of others will too.
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ron mathews said:
Following is but a small sampling from this thread of a much larger group that lurks and doesn't post. There have been over 12,000 views of this thread alone. The thread that Spark locked is even more telling. Many people are now firmly entrenched in one camp or the other, but there are also "fence sitters" and potential Strider knife buyers that will stumble on these threads in the future. THOSE are the people that are being targeted here. Why do you think the A Team has mounted such a massive defence? It doesn't take a genius to figure out sales have been and most likely will continue be impacted.
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Just as I thought- (insert jerkit Smilie here).

Now... back to work.

Have a nice weekend all,

Neil
 
(insert jerkit Smilie here).
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Not fair, Neil. He took a sample that does show people otherwise inclined to buy Striders are no longer interested. That doesn't prove Strider sales will be seriously impacted, but it isn't wrong of him to point it out when he finds one example after another.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Not fair, Neil. He took a sample that does show people otherwise inclined to buy Striders are no longer interested. That doesn't prove Strider sales will be seriously impacted, but it isn't wrong of him to point it out when he finds one example after another.
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Not fair? Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I always did (and still do) respect you on these forums.

Who is this guy? All private and no PM and no email- yes, that is his right to remain anonymous, but he is just a fellow who is making up grossly inaccurate BS accusations about what "he" perceives as fallout from all this.

Look at what he said;
The recent negetive publicity about Mr. Strider on Bladeforums has impacted sales of Strider knives,
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Then the A team, B team etc. What a bunch of crap.

Based on his statement that I quoted, I asked him to provide some proof of this above absurd claim re the impact of "sales"- etc. He came back with forum quotes..... not very conclusive and unimpressive, in my opinion.

I am a private company and would not ever divulge my figures re Strider or any other company/knife maker with whom I do business.

However, nobody has asked me, a large Strider dealer, how this has impacted my business.

Rather, ron mathews, comes out of nowhere with spurious claims and more pointless drama.

Anyway, enough- true everyone has a right to speak their mind on this forum- no disputing that. It's just that false and unsubstantiated statements like this one quoted makes me wonder what the motives are- that's all.

I am surprised that you, Esav, who is typically a voice of reason on this forum cannot see my point here.

Have a nice weekend all,

Neil Ostroff
AUTHORIZED STRIDER DEALER
 
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