Spark crossed a line

Danno4017 said:
He will not want to come back now 3 Guardsmen, good one.
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This stuff may be your life's blood here, it is not mine.

If we took a vote who has done more for the folks here on BFC, you would not fair well.

I also owned a Cold Steel and a Mad Dog once and I will of course deny that:D

Carry on Sir, I have about 4,000 posts. With the "bad" is the good so I expect you will of course be fair. If not, you are an idiot.
 
It would be if you would stay the phuck on task. If you look in the mirror and see a perfect human being feel free to keep running your mouth about me. But as I suggested start a new thread.

Your hijacking of this leads me to believe you are a secret Strider supporter!!!!!

But carry on, I will lose no sleep, no standing here, and certainly none where it truly matters; my home because you "outted" me.

Thank God I know how to plead out cases in Court.

Maybe I can go to Israel for a year and forfeit my salary!!!

Now, this one is the last post. I guess I LIED when I said the other was. Oh boy so sad..........................
 
wolfmann601 said:
This stuff may be your life's blood here, it is not mine.

If we took a vote who has done more for the folks here on BFC, you would not fair well.

I also owned a Cold Steel and a Mad Dog once and I will of course deny that:D

Carry on Sir, I have about 4,000 posts. With the "bad" is the good so I expect you will of course be fair. If not, you are an idiot.
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Why you having a shot at me mate?
I am intrested in both sides of the "debate" you throw that idiot tag around to much in my opinion.
 
wolfmann601 said:
This stuff may be your life's blood here, it is not mine.
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I'm just doing what you have bashed others, including Spark, for, pointing out inconsistencies.

wolfmann601 said:
If we took a vote who has done more for the folks here on BFC, you would not fair well.
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I'm not on here for a popularity contest. If I were, I'd lie and say I owned all kinds of cool, high-speed knives.;)

wolfmann601 said:
I also owned a Cold Steel and a Mad Dog once and I will of course deny that:D

Carry on Sir, I have about 4,000 posts. With the "bad" is the good so I expect you will of course be fair. If not, you are an idiot.
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I see you are now placing conditions on whether or not I'm an idiot, instead of just labeling me one as you did before. How nice.:D

So, are you are admitting you fabricated the posts earlier about owning the Strider folders, or are you admitting you fabricated the recent post about "buying your first one"? Oh, that's right, you didn't "buy it", it was "bought for you.":confused:

I look forward to reading your next, "last post" in the thread.:p

3G
 
wolfmann601 said:
It would be if you would stay the phuck on task. If you look in the mirror and see a perfect human being feel free to keep running your mouth about me. But as I suggested start a new thread.

Your hijacking of this leads me to believe you are a secret Strider supporter!!!!!
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Well, Noss4 did accuse me of being in their employ once.:D

wolfmann601 said:
But carry on, I will lose no sleep, no standing here, and certainly none where it truly matters; my home because you "outted" me.

Thank God I know how to plead out cases in Court.

Maybe I can go to Israel for a year and forfeit my salary!!!

Now, this one is the last post. I guess I LIED when I said the other was. Oh boy so sad..........................
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No hard feelings here, Sir.

Regards,
3G
 
Whew! Thanks for the reassurance, and I thought that USN was the toilet of online communities. I'm much relieved now- so in that case and without furthet delay...The Roman stands and proclaims..."LET THE RECRIMINATIONS CONTINUE"- "Bring on the next batch of Christians- The Lions Are Hungry!!":D

Keith Montgomery said:
I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. In thirty days this forum will have thousands of new members that aren't here today. As I have posted before, back approximately 7 to 8 years ago there were many threads about Kevin McClung and Lynn Griffith that were incredibly heated. Much of the same stuff was being posted back then that you see in the threads about Mick. There were people back then that were saying that those threads would lead to the end of Bladeforums. The controversy surrounding the threads about Mick are not going to affect the popularity of this forum, except in a very small group of people. Most of those people only joined to take part in the Strider threads and to comment about how much they thought Bladeforums sucked anyway. The fact that they think that Bladeforums is the sewer of the internet is not going to mean beans. However, I do admit that there will be some people that I respect very much that will no longer take part on this forum.

The other thread was up and running thirty days ago, and if anything, more members joined during and after its run. My guess is that in thirty days things won't be any different.
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I'll take your advise and allow me to suggest that you open a subthread titled "Department of Information and Background Checks" . I mean- after all this scandal, who knows who else has skeletons hiding in thier closet unless you, the forum owner, aprise us of the same?:D I'd like to know the complete background history of people I'm dealing with- all of them . I mean, how many other Strider Scandals are lurking on the sidelines?Why not nip them in the bud now before they get too good at making and marketing their wares and then letting us all down acouple of years down the road? Wow! BF been around since 1995- at the very BIRTH of the world Wide Web, no less! I'm impressed and bow deeply to that. I also appologize for fearing the demise of this great website- I see that my fears are unfounded.

Spark said:
You know, I love the term "character assassination" especially when it's used to incorrectly identify who's being harmed.

Thanks for your concern for BladeForums.com. Since this has Mick Strider BS began, registration, new posts, new threads, and other statistics are largely unchanged, despite predictions of doom and gloom and despair. The trends are all pretty much the same as I'd expect after almost 11 years of doing this.

The reason for this, I'd suspect, is because unlike certain posters claims of "character assassination" "non constructive / destructive" or "witch hunts" or people "being out to get" someone, the facts in this matter speak for themselves and have yet to be refuted by any of the "faithful" no matter how much they attempt to attack the messenger, which, as this thread so aptly illustrates, is about the only defense available.

So please, pretty please, leave the concerns for the well being of this site to me, since I pay the bills. If you want to worry about a community self destructing, worry about the people who are in bed with the type of person described ever so accurately in post #396 here
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4420419&postcount=396
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i'm still trying o figure out which line it is that Spark crossed...

maybe the truth is blasphemy to believers and hence the creation of a 'line'
 
Moodino said:
I'll take your advise and allow me to suggest that you open a subthread titled "Department of Information and Background Checks" . I mean- after all this scandal, who knows who else has skeletons hiding in thier closet unless you, the forum owner, aprise us of the same?:D I'd like to know the complete background history of people I'm dealing with- all of them . I mean, how many other Strider Scandals are lurking on the sidelines?Why not nip them in the bud now before they get too good at making and marketing their wares and then letting us all down acouple of years down the road? Wow! BF been around since 1995- at the very BIRTH of the world Wide Web, no less! I'm impressed and bow deeply to that. I also appologize for fearing the demise of this great website- I see that my fears are unfounded.
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Heh, I appreciate that suggestion, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline that as well. If you have specific allegations or questions about someone's background, especially in light of repeated claims that they've made spanning several years and forums, be my guest in compiling all of them in one spot and providing documentary evidence (with citations) as I've done. Google it up, but make sure you do your homework

I've been clear since the beginning:
Spark said:
The magazine articles don't make sense. The claims Mick Strider made don't make sense. The court documents state information that contradict what Mick Strider has claimed repeatedly, since 2000 until present.

I keep hearing comments about "oh, he made a mistake" and he "paid his dues" and "learned his lesson"

I have to wonder, when someone claims that they were to be sentenced to serve in Somalia 5 days ago, claims they were a combat vet in 2000, has multiple magazine articles describing them as Special Operations personnel, and none of this is born out by the facts... what lesson have they learned?

That it's ok to fabricate their history because people will defend them as long as they are charming enough?

That they can get away with it, because as long as they don't answer questions directly they can't be proven wrong? That being able to win in a fistfight negates backing up your argument? That there is no accountability for lying and pretending to be something you aren't?

What are we suppossed to believe here? What would a reasonable man believe?

I'll state this, straight up: I have never heard of a spinal damaged E1, who has been barred from reenlistment, being recruited into any Special Operations role. I have never heard of anyone ever being sentenced to Somalia with their pay kept as forfiet. It is my opinion that these statements are straight out lies, and anyone making these claims is lying throuhg their teeth. This opinion is shared by every other veteran I've asked thus far.

If it was anyone else making these claims, they would be ridiculed and excoriated. If I made claims like this, my reputation would be destroyed, and I would be rightly branded as a liar.

Anyone who disagrees with what I said can come find me at my shop, or through here. I'm not going to hide.
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That's pretty simple and straightfoward.

If you've got specific issues with someone else's self-claimed history google, research, and bring them up. I'd hate to see you get accused of "having it in for them" or perpetrating a "witch hunt" or "character assassination" or other less savory terms. I think you'll agree that people misrepresenting themselves as something they aren't, in order to pad their wallet, is something that shouldn't be encouraged. As I've stated before, I personally despise people who clad themselves in the the honor & valor of those who actually did serve, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, especially when it turns out the person in question is a complete poser.
 
Well, as it stands, it's perfectly okay to jump down Spark's throat for being honest and doing his homework - that crosses the lines of decency don't you know - but it's completely wrong to look for clarification when anyone else's words or actions seem off, unless he or she is an acceptable target like Spark, Mad Dog, or Lynn Thompson.
 
Moodino said:
Whew! Thanks for the reassurance, and I thought that USN was the toilet of online communities. I'm much relieved now- so in that case and without furthet delay...The Roman stands and proclaims..."LET THE RECRIMINATIONS CONTINUE"- "Bring on the next batch of Christians- The Lions Are Hungry!!":D
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The Christians were unjustly fed to the lions. I can't say that I feel that Mick has been treated in the same manner, though from what I have read, there are many that disagree with me.

My comments were made for all those that think that what they perceive as unfair treatment of Mick will lead to the ultimate downfall of Bladeforums. I don't want their concern for this forum to cause them sleepless nights.
 
Toad, Sif, the others who can have an adult conversation- I enjoy talking with you guys, I think we have shown that we can have intelligent conversations here without being disagreable to one another- I hope we can continue.

Spark, I appreciate you bringing all this forward- I'm sure that many others here are like myself- we have neither the time nor the inclination to search every website on the 'net.

I think what we have here is the disappointment that many of us feel when we see that seemingly so many of the sellers in the "tactical" community, who make their living by selling products to those for whom words like honor and integrity mean something, use those words to sell their products and yet they turn out to be felons and/or liars, embellishers, etc... I think it is a universal human weakness and creates much discussion. Certainly when a man is caught in a lie, those around him begin to question his veracity in everything that he says and does.

And that leads to wolfman, I'll respect Spark's wishes by not making this thread about you, as hard as that is to do with your attention whoring. I can't have a discussion with you because you have no credibility anymore, you have been caught out in lies about buying knives and you have REPEATEDLY said that you were done posting about this and yet everyday you do. Apparently you have been complaining about this site since at least 2003 and you repeatedly come back for more. It reaches the point that one can not trust anything that you say and you have taken on the aura of the petulent child who must be the center of attention. It has become quite tiresome and annoying. I'm not a mod, so I can't tell you to stop posting, I can, however,ask you to man up, stick by your word, and stop posting in this thread. Some people here can conduct civil discourse and those are the ones whom I will enjoy talking with in the future.

Ira, I bid you peace and my apologies to Spark for the sidetrack.
 
Speaking of lies. Is it any wonder we have issues with this. Here is one of our aids to one of our leaders convicted of just that. We'll see how he gets dealt with for his 'minor infractions' shortly I'm sure. Will it be a slap on the hand, or will he get more? The jury is still out on that I guess stay tuned.

Seeing the examples being set by our leaders its no wonder our youths grow up thinking its ok to just say whatever you want without worry about consequence.

STR

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17479718/?GT1=9145
 
You guys are starting to make Jim Zumbo look like Charlton Heston. Keep up the great work for the knife industry!

Chris
 
CPR said:
You guys are starting to make Jim Zumbo look like Charlton Heston. Keep up the great work for the knife industry!

Chris
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. By all means, speak clearly.
 
CPR said:
You guys are starting to make Jim Zumbo look like Charlton Heston. Keep up the great work for the knife industry!

Chris
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A year and a half ago you ask to have your membership removed, but you return one more time to pass on to us this great insightful message. Thank you.
 
jthomas said:
I keep reading statements to the effect of "lock this thread, it serves no purpose", and I quite frankly disagree. There are apparently many people wanting to defend Strider, and this thread gives them the opportunity. There are some who want to debate his 'sins', and again here they have the opportunity. Some people are looking for reasons to keep, or sell, or buy Strider knives... Some people are here solely for amusement I would imagine, and again the thread delivers. The fact that it is continuing tells me that it is meeting needs somewhere.
Any personal feelings that I have about the debate aside, I am glad that the information is here. I am glad that Spark put it together, and I am glad that he allows dissenting viewpoints to be posted. As for the name calling and whatnot, that sort of behavior is human nature and is echoed in broad strokes throughout our society, so why should we expect this forum to be immune? It is sad, but c'est la vie.
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Well stated. Speculation about Spark's motivation(s) and/or Strider's integrity (or lack thereof) aside for a moment, I must say that I'm quite impressed with the fact that Spark has stood unflinchingly tall in the face of whatever criticism has been directed at him for his decision to raise the issues in question. Everyone that has wanted to take their shot has had a chance to do so with only the most ignorant, unproductive, rude and crude getting a one-way ride on the auto-bann. Otherwise, he hasn't backed down or hid from the controversy "sparked" by the compilation of the info in the original thread. Don't see that very often and I admire his commitment to his ideals and to the larger issue of respecting the right of the members of this forum to express their many and varied opinions without fear of getting das boot.

jthomas said:
Spark's behavior in this thread was the deciding factor in my decision to pony up some money to support the forum.
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I like that idea. An internet community like this one is surely worth its weight in "gold." :thumbup:
 
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