Spark crossed a line

Oh, that's easy. I used my mystical mind control powers and controlled this entire series of events, including weather changes and alien abductions.

So that's it! Ooh am I steamed for you duping me! Now I see that your refusal to arbitrarily dump Maxpedition and Cold Steel from 1sks's product lineup at great financial loss and not ban Steven Dick for publishing a Ralph Mroz article praising Linton's line of knives which directly copy Striders' fixed blades and show considerable influence from their folders for the cynical actions they are. It all makes sense now! robble robble robble....

But that is a marsupial on his head. I am looking at it.

There is a marsupial and it is on a head, but you're just jumping to wild conclusions that the speaker owns his own head.
 
the thread started with "spark crossed the line"


that would be true

if

1. the information provided was factually incorrect...so far no one has disputed any of the major points spark presented....or really even most of the minor ones.

2. spark published confidential, classified, or private information... or he published information received privately that he was supposed to keep confidential. the information i have seen published are matters of public record (army record, court records), mick strider's own posts, or information posted on the tf.com website. i have seen no objection to any of it on that basis.

3. Mick has explained all this stuff satisfactorily in the past, dragging it out again is unfair.

this will of course be a point of contention. depends on your viewpoint i guess

i didn't really think to much one way or another about mick strider or strider knives in the past. the knives weren't my cup of tea. i found mick's online persona to be a bit obnoxious and his hyper-sensitivity to criticism to be a put-off. oh well

i saw the bit on tf.com about his past. honestly, i was suprised. asked a few people ...they said mick was a good guy...didn't think much more about it until the firestorm here.

missed the bit about the osman lawsuit until this all came up here

asked some knife folks their opinion again...same thing ...good guy

then i got curious and read some of the stuff. it is really hard to reconcile his accounts of things. i asked him direct questions on his forum, none of which were directly answered. that reply was followed later that night by the "infamous" mogadishu post. particularly ironic if you read the earlier post.


as i posted earlier...so what next?

i guess mick will not post now...at least that is what people have said here. probably a good idea if the consequences (intended or unintended) of some of his prior postings are taken into consideration.

so to his supporters and friends....(michelle, lifter4him, horned toad) i ask these questions again.

do you believe mick strider's account of his military time?
do you believe he was in combat?
do you believe his account of his arrest and the account of his plea bargain/sentencing?


these are relevant questions. they relate to issues of character both yesterday and today....and not just for a single person
 
But that is a marsupial on his head. I am looking at it. :D

What is your motivation for posting that?

Did you or did you not ask a notorious goat if he had any information about that marsupial?

Doesn't everybody have a marsupial on his head? If we're going to investigate everyone to see whether he has a marsupial on his head who should we investigate first?
 
But kangaroos are marsupials so this is obviously all just a plot between all of you to make the man reading the newspaper do....something.
 
I've heard that Spark crossed a line, and people asking what was he thinking as well as all the other comments, all of course private because the untold story of these threads is that there is also a wealth of talk going on privately about the same issues by those that read here but for reasons only known to themselves don't dare post their own opinions or views. Alls I can say is I find it interesting that most of the stuff Spark brought up is already out there because it was already available on several other forums and web sites, but now it is all in a convenient place together and because of this Spark crossed a line, or has lost it by putting it all together apparently. Its interesting and confusing because when I hear these comments I ask myself what people must be seeing to think any lines have been crossed or that anything is really any different than it was before other than fact that the information is perhaps easier to find.

I also have to wonder what people must see when they see anyone participating in this thread as making fools of themselves because they are being duped. I find this hilarious because if anyone is being duped its those at other locations whose cure for the ailments of these issues is to gather the loyal in a big huddle and ra ra ra their way into a yeah man, go bro, you tell em attitude and frenzy and that makes it all better with little two and three word posts to cheer on the righteous. Now thats funny!

Spark your post on white collar fraud links is classic. Almost a step by step handbook as if it was followed to the letter by some like it must be a book in their own private library.

STR
 
i also need to add to spark " crossed the line"

if

4. strider and spark were competitors, and bringing this up was for personal financial gain

this would be a legitimate grievence. digging up dirt on your competitors, even if true, is not very nice

clearly there is a lot of history between strider and spark:

a. 1sks.com once carried strider knives
b. bf.com once hosted a strider forum
c. some strider "pals"/dealers and clearly not buds with spark. that certainly adds to the background noise
d. it was posted in this thread that duane dwyer invited "spark to step outside" . this was well before this thread

interlude

what led to that?
is that a good way to settle disputes?
is duane dwyer currently a policeman, reserve or otherwise?
is he still with the special response team of the del ray oaks, ca police?

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...tm+itog.org/about&hl=en&client=safari&strip=1

is that the del ray oaks, CA (population 1600) that is in montery? roughly 400 miles from san marcos, ca?

so, are spark and strider knives competitors?
have past or present commercial disputes played a role in this?
 
So a Koala Bear walks into a roadside cafe and ordered up some ham and eggs. After scarfing down the food, he took out a gun and blew the guy away that was sitting next to him, after which he calmly opened up the newspaper and began reading.

The guy behind the counter comes up and asks him why the hell he just did that. The Koala Bear says " because I'm a marsupial ". When the guy asked him what the hell that has to do with anything, the bear told him to look up marsupial in the dictionary.

So the guy gets out his dictionary, checked the definition, nodded his head in agreement and went back about his business.

What did the dictionary say? :

"Marsupial (noun) - A mammal that eats shoots and reeds. "
 
Stop with the derails, folks. Seriously. It's not adding anything to the discussion.

Bandaidman - I am not a competitor with Mick Strider. I don't make knives. True, I used to be a Strider Knives dealer, but that has no bearing on any of the lies Mick Strider has told. If I "had it in" for Mick Strider, I wouldn't have hosted the Strider Knives forum for a year after our Strider Knives dealership was over, nor would I have ignored Strider's antics every time they came up on this site until now. Instead, I'd be trashing him at every opportunity, which hasn't remotely been the case.
 
You’re really reaching now. Your jealosy is showing. If you had a question to ask him why not ask him in private? Why post it on a public forum? I bet you wouldn’t dare say that to his face.

It could be a big tick. My sister-in-law’s cousin’s hairdresser’s babysitter had head lice bigger than that, and they threw her out of school until she washed her hair with Lysol but then they let her back in. So that proves someone could have an animal on his head and not be thrown out of school permanently, necessarily.

You people talking your technicalities whether a kangaroo is a marsupial – you are pathetic. You make me sick. Who do you buy your paper clips from? Do you know if he has a marsupial on his head or not? Who do you buy your thumb tacks from? Did you ever buy a boonie hat made in Australia? They have marsupials in Australia you know. If you ever bought anything made in Australia you are guilty!
 
Well, you certainly can add "reading comprehension" to your list of skills to develope.


You might consider learning to spell before giving advice concerning "reading comprehension". You spelled develop incorrectly. Mick can spell.......maybe thats why he does'nt respond to you. He's busy making great knives...no time to "dumb it down" for you. If you had any integrity or honor you would say all this crap to Mick's face instead of hiding behind your e-balls. Please remove my membership and I'll leave you to your spelling.
 
You might consider learning to spell before giving advice concerning "reading comprehension". You spelled develop incorrectly. Mick can spell.......maybe thats why he does'nt respond to you. He's busy making great knives...no time to "dumb it down" for you. If you had any integrity or honor you would say all this crap to Mick's face instead of hiding behind your e-balls. Please remove my membership and I'll leave you to your spelling.

OH SNAP I JUST GOT BURNED! Hey there Mr Bravery, if you had balls, you'd have said that to my face. Also, you forgot the apostrophe in "that's", screwed up the apostrophe in "doesn't", and in general added nothing to the conversation. Other than keeping it at the top of the screen, of course.

My integrity and honor are not in question. I've stood up, called a liar a liar, and face my challengers. I'm not hiding behind anyone, no one is fighting my battles for me, and last of all I'm not hiding from my statements. You want to question someone's integrity? Question those who've sold their's for a factory second production knife, or financial interest, or to curry favor with one who lies and is ashamed by the truth.
 
You might consider learning to spell before giving advice concerning "reading comprehension". You spelled develop incorrectly. Mick can spell.......maybe thats why he does'nt respond to you. He's busy making great knives...no time to "dumb it down" for you. If you had any integrity or honor you would say all this crap to Mick's face instead of hiding behind your e-balls. Please remove my membership and I'll leave you to your spelling.

Did you write that by yourself or is this just copy&paste, because I'm pretty sure that I've seen the same post a few dozen times before...
 
so to his supporters and friends....(michelle, lifter4him, horned toad) i ask these questions again.

do you believe mick strider's account of his military time?
do you believe he was in combat?
do you believe his account of his arrest and the account of his plea bargain/sentencing?


these are relevant questions. they relate to issues of character both yesterday and today....and not just for a single person


Well I did ask Mick about his military time a while back. I asked him all the questions we would ask someone applying to our site. He gave me all the info with no hesitation. I think his account of his military time is accuarte.


On his combat stuff. Most of the quotes that are posted here are the first time I have seen them. My internet forum activity really on started in mid 05 a lot of this stuff I haven’t read and some of the places he posts or did post I am banned. I think it’s possible he did go abroad. I have never discussed it with him, because prior to this thread most of the quotes listed I had not seen. I have only met him once in real life and that was in March of 2000 I think. I had some other things going on in my life and by the times he showed up where I was at, I was a good halfway through a bottle of Wild Turkey. The rest of the weekend I spent with friends out doing stuff, we swung by the gun show where they were selling knives at but its not like we stayed huddles up there all weekend.

On his arrest, plea bargaining and sentencing. I would bet the arrest went like he said, people here got all but hurt when he said “lick my sack”. I could see someone with that sort of attitude, especially when 14 years younger, telling some investigator to pound sand.

On the plea bargaining, that sounds a little iffy. I think a lot of folks here are reading into statements what they want to see. Once all this started up again, I thought I read Mick saying that his deal there was not going to be in a military capacity, everyone else assumed he meant he was getting sent back in the military. I really don’t know enough to say one way or the other though, that’s not my filed and that’s not a circle I am familiar with.

I think we all know how the sentencing went.

Now there seems to be a lot of other folks here that have court knowledge. Who here has seen a guy get 5 years for a carjacking? Mind you this was in what 93. Mick’s version of what happened and others are very different, but even meeting somewhere in the middle 5 years for a 1st offence. I had a guy here failure to yield, smuggling, endangerment x 5, assault on a federal agent and some other stuff, that got plead down to 2.5 years, with his time waiting to go to court counting as time served.


Now just for grins since no will believe this anyway, but, just an FYI. There have been times our military has deployed without CNN being there waiting with cameras. All the haters in the other thread can say the Rangers aint nothing special, but bottom line they have the funding, and the training, and they do go places you don’t know about. Even at the level I was at I have only heard of this happening a few times. Now I am NOT saying that Mick was on one of these trips, I am just throwing that out there because the locked thread was full of wrong info on the Rangers in general.
 
Horned Toad, that was a well worded and well reasoned post.

So let's analyze some of the things you've brought up.

You said Mick Strider told you about his military service time without hesitation and you feel you believe him. Tell us, does it match what his records show in the other thread?

If Mick Strider wasn't going to go to Somalia in a military capacity, but as a civilian contractor, that is a whole new ball of wax. Why, when he's already going to go to jail for 5 years, would a Federal Judge decide to sentence him to Somalia where he'd be armed, a flight risk, and under zero supervision, especially with zero special skills? At least under military service, he'd still be accountable and supervised under UCMJ, as a contractor he'd be essentially a civilian without even so much as a monitoring anklet. Furthermore that still doesn't address the removal of troops from the region and the funding cuts. Finally, if a judge was going to do this back then, where are the similar "special case" sentencing agreements?

As for him making an unspecified trip out of the country on an special operations mission or two, when? During the 65 days he was in C 2/75? Between 86 and 93? If that's the case, he should be able to easily back that up or find someone with actual credentials that can verify he was there; if he can't back it up, he shouldn't be talking about it in the first place. Sorry, but I'm not trusting anything he says without verification; given the runaround we've been given just on stupid things like his service dates, combat time, and the rest it's going to be a tough one for him.
 
Don't forget the docking of pay to pay the fine. Re reading the excerpt it sounded like it was more military reference than civilian to me. I'll be the first to admit I'd love to believe it. Really, I would love to see it all come out spot free and clean when the wash is done but its very hard to see it without some nasty spots left at this point.

STR
 
Compare my actions to Mick Strider's. Every challenge made against me, I've met head on. I've explained everything in clear, concise, unchanging detail. No avoidance, no equivocation, no long winded excuses, nothing. No legions of fanboys attacking the messenger. No calling attention to my other good deeds. No bullshit. Compare and contrast.

And still the uncontrollable urge to compare yourself to Mick Strider......
 
Now there seems to be a lot of other folks here that have court knowledge. Who here has seen a guy get 5 years for a carjacking? Mind you this was in what 93. Mick’s version of what happened and others are very different, but even meeting somewhere in the middle 5 years for a 1st offence. I had a guy here failure to yield, smuggling, endangerment x 5, assault on a federal agent and some other stuff, that got plead down to 2.5 years, with his time waiting to go to court counting as time served.

Toad, I think what perplexes myself, and I'm sure some others, is this type of attitude of Strider supporters to try and find all sorts of reasons to go back and come up with weird reasons to explain away events that have already happened and try and spin them to question if they did actually occur. If you go to Spark's locked thread you can read the docket sheet. Mick was charged with 4 federal felonies, 2 carjacking, use of firearm during that carjacking, and transporting stolen property across state lines. Fact. He entered into a plea agreement. Fact. One count of carjacking was dropped and he got 5 years of prison time and probation, the terms of which were modified after his release, but the docket sheet covers all the events up to the end of the probation. It all happened so how can you question it? I'm don't mean this to sound bad, but both you and wolfman, both of you claiming to be LEO, have tried this and quite frankly your opinion on the sentence doesn't mean squat because IT ALREADY HAPPENED!

And I really don't mean that to be any sort of attack but that part is not disputed and there is clear documentary evidence of it. I think that is what is so frustrating for people who are looking at this dispassionately- the lengths to which some people what to BELIEVE with all their hearts in coming up with some conspiracy theory that Mick is a hero and all the mean Fibbies and AUSA's and all the evil people on the internet have somehow all conspired to take down their hero when he is the one who created all this. No one held a gun to his head or the head of anyone else that embellishes on the internet.

And really, this whole stretching and trying to find some way that he could possible have gone into combat at sometime with some unknown organization-why- the guys makes knives, he is not a religous figure that needs to be propped up at any expense. It really hits a level of ridiculusness that is incredible. People lie and they do it frequently, I'm surprised as a cop that you haven't accepted that. We have seen here in the last couple of pages where someone got caught lying and tries to come up with dumb excuses. That is just human nature. Unfortunately the internet had made it possible for the lies to increase in size and spread much farther, but it also has made checking up on facts much easier.
 
If Mick Strider wasn't going to go to Somalia in a military capacity, but as a civilian contractor, that is a whole new ball of wax. Why, when he's already going to go to jail for 5 years, would a Federal Judge decide to sentence him to Somalia where he'd be armed, a flight risk, and under zero supervision, especially with zero special skills? At least under military service, he'd still be accountable and supervised under UCMJ, as a contractor he'd be essentially a civilian without even so much as a monitoring anklet. Furthermore that still doesn't address the removal of troops from the region and the funding cuts. Finally, if a judge was going to do this back then, where are the similar "special case" sentencing agreements?

Spark,

I see you restate this comment in so many ways it is almost hard to keep straight what you are saying.

To clarify, it was never said that a Judge offered this. What was said was it was offered by a prosecutor. Other places you say it was a written offer.

Please show anywhere that Mick Strider claimed that a Judge had agreed to this or that it was a written offer. You keep stating these things as if it was a fact Mick put forth. What he said was it was offered. I have not seen it stated that a Judge ever knew about it or that it was ever written. I personally do not put it past a prosecutor to "offer" something like this just to get what they want.

This, to me, is another instance of the point about this thread, Spark crossing a line. You have sidetracked that, but you keep crossing it, you keep attributing statements that you can't show were made.

To another point on this thread. Would there be a stink for an unkown person.

Person claims to have been a ranger, discharged honorably.
World claims he is a lair without proof.
Proof is found that shows he told the truth (some wanted more info that person was not willing to give, came out that they didn't serve "long enough" for certain people, so he is still no good).

Next the people who still don't like him, take other statements, and with just a "feeling" go and call all of these statements a lie. Because the person attacked does not wish to communicate with these people, they jump up and down waving their "feelings" and yelling "see, he lies". No proof needed.

The problem, there is no proof to point to one lie. There are things people wanted to be a lie, that were then shown not to be. There are statements by others that are not accurate, but none linked to the individual.

In this case, I would hope that the haters would be told to put up or shut up. However, since this case is about a "name" maker, he as to prove things.

--Carl
 
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