Spark crossed a line

Slatts said:
........Bullshit is bullshit. If people don't know it when they see it, then I feel sorry for them. If they see the bullshit and still don't care, then I feel even more sorry for them.....
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...and this, students, is what we journalists call a succinct analysis. :thumbup:
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Hey, let's not confuse the discussion with a bunch of facts. Really though, this is a forum, and from what I have gathered over the years, innuendos, guesses, hopes and opinions are the mainstays of forum communication.
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As they say, facts are facts. Your comment is irrefutable. ;)
 
stevetexas said:
ok...I have an HONORABLE discharge....check it out.
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Folks, please keep this thread on topic.

Cookies have nothing to do with Spark or if he indeed crossed a line.
 
I do not think Spark crossed any line.
Who has the right to set a line.
Everyone has the freedom to have their say and if their point of view is factually incorrect it is up to others to point out where they are wrong.
 
OK, I haven't seen this posted here, although it appears that a number of individuals involved have viewed it. There is a document pertaining to the supposedly impossible idea of Mick being sent to somalia instead of prison. It is from the lawyers handling it the case. This shows that the statements made by Mick appear to be correct. Another of those points that are railed on as can't be true, that have turned out to be so.

http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4828

--Carl
 
pricecw said:
There is a document pertaining to the supposedly impossible idea of Mick being sent to somalia instead of prison. It is from the lawyers handling it the case. This shows that the statements made by Mick appear to be correct. Another of those points that are railed on as can't be true, that have turned out to be so.
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(Attributed to Knut S. Johnson) I do recall that we offered to have you go to Somalia for a year in order to settle the case, but unfortunately the prosecutor rejected that offer after some discussion.
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I think most people are scoffing at the idea that the prosecutor would offer such a deal, not that the defense would propose it. My guess is that the prosecutor rejected it because it is a patently absurd idea.
 
"(Attributed to Knut S. Johnson) I do recall that we offered to have you go to Somalia for a year in order to settle the case, but unfortunately the prosecutor rejected that offer after some discussion."

The "discussion" on the part of the prosecutor's office probably consisted of laughing out loud, or at least muffled giggles.
 
GronK said:
"(Attributed to Knut S. Johnson) I do recall that we offered to have you go to Somalia for a year in order to settle the case, but unfortunately the prosecutor rejected that offer after some discussion."

The "discussion" on the part of the prosecutor's office probably consisted of laughing out loud, or at least muffled giggles.
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I am certain they got a big laugh out of anyone even suggesting such a thing yes.

The original statement by Mick:

In the end…it was decided that I would serve for a year in Somalia, this service would act as my “cooperation” that the Feds are so fond of. I would then forfeit any money earned that year as a fine. In addition I would have a term of probation upon my return to the US.

While in the courtroom, during my sentencing…when the prosecutor was supposed to be saying “Your Honor, we recommend Mr. Strider be sentenced to one year service in Somalia…” what came out of his mouth was “we changed our mind…”

So rather than go to Somalia, I went to prison for 5 years. Luckily I only had to do 59.5 months of that five years….
Yes by the way….that was in mid 1993. I DO feel the deaths of my Ranger buddies, that I failed by sitting in jail during their fight, VERY heavily.

Now forgive me but what I read here is that a plea was discussed and agreed upon by all parties. In other words when they showed up in court the judge would already know about this and start things out by saying, "I understand we have a plea agreement?" Then as things normally follow suit based on courtrooms I've been in the prosecutor says yes your honor. My understanding is that once a plea agreement is made it cannot be backed out on easily without the help of a judge. If it is it can and has caused some major problems for those responsible.

Mick's statement here in the above bold paste indicates 'surprise' and yet I've been told that the system is set up up so there are not supposed to be any surprises. In fact if Mick and his defense team was surprised then indeed the judge would have been also and heads would roll once he said, "chambers now!" This didn't happen indicating that no plea was ever made let alone agreed upon. An offer is a far cry from a plea agreement.

Micks letter from his defense lawyer doesn't do him any favors in my opinion. In fact now he has to explain, at least in my mind how we got from an agreed upon plea to just an offer by his defense that was refused.

STR
 
You all are a hoot.

The whole "Mick's a liar" thing isn't working so well is it?

Any of you ever participated in a Federal Felony sentencing? Why do all you folks feel so compelled to comment or pass judgement on things you have no knowledge of?

If you are so skeptical still, call the attorney. His info is listed.

But still...
TorzJohnson said:
I think most people are scoffing at the idea that the prosecutor would offer such a deal, not that the defense would propose it. My guess is that the prosecutor rejected it because it is a patently absurd idea.
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That's not germain to the issue at hand. The issue at hand was "Mick's a liar that this even happened!"

No one gives a rats ass if you are scoffing at who proposed what. THE ISSUE is that you all said this entire scenario was "bullshit" and never happened. That "Mick's a liar!" Well..... That's not quite right now, is it? If I had a nickle for every post here on BF that says "Mick was NEVER a Ranger"..... now that we have several people from the USARA saying, yes, in fact, he was... ....

.....and if I had a dime for EVERY person in BF that said "He's making this Somalia crap up!"... when we all know now he wasn't.... well, quite frankly, I could buy something really nice for myself...

Lastly, I want to know why Spark as well as many other members of this forum were in BL over the course of the last 2 days ..... well after this information was posted, and neither Spark nor anyone else felt a need to post the information or clarify the record here?

Thank you Carl for posting the information here. I was waiting for someone else to do it out of honesty or integrity, but clearly that was never going to happen. The "good guys" here are seeming far more corrupt than those they perceive as bad.

m1
 
Actually Michelle it looks like Mick isn't telling the 'whole truth' and in fact looks like he did have a plea agreement. He didn't say his attorney made an offer now did he? He said in his post that it was decided but the way he writes it it comes across as if they made a deal. It was just an offer. Why didn't he just say that? I'll tell you what I think. I think those that are so close to Mick can't see it objectively for what it is. Thats what I think.

And by the way. I knew about it the other day and I didn't bring it up because as I said before. I don't think it does Mick any favors.

STR
 
Here is part of the reason I reject the Strider bullshit. I actually did serve in East Africa. My base was in Eritrea. I have served in Eritrea, Ethiopia, The Sudan, Kenya and Somalia. At no time did losers like strider/burger enter into what we were doing. I have seen men die. I WILL REPRESENT THEM.
 
STR said:
And by the way. I knew about it from Jerry Hossom and I didn't bring it up because as I said before. I don't think it does Mick any favors.

STR
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Steve, dude, I respect you a lot but don't EVEN try to say you didn't post it here becuase you were lookin out for Mick's best interest. There is waaay to much documentation in this forum that would make that allusion hilarious and impossible to swallow. Whatever your reasons for not posting it are yours. Lets just leave that alone.

m1
 
I've been very objective in all posts about this. In fact I have private messages from you as well as several other people all but patting me on the back for being so objective so don't you go there. I didn't bring it up publically because I don't think it does Mick any favors. You can believe it or not. I don't see why that is so hard to believe. I have said numerous times I'd love to believe Mick. The truth is I don't have a dog in the fight and could really stand back and make a more objective take on things. And if you or anyone else would have sent me that before it was posted on BadLands I'd have told you just what I said above. In fact I did just that and have the emails to prove it if he wants to share it with you.

STR
 
Michelle, sweet woman, My name is Steve too.

Try to prove anything that I said was a lie. I have killed a lot of people for the USA. I am pretty sure that I am not going to chicken out now.

Steve
 
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