SPOILER ALERT!! Official 'The Walking Dead' TWD Season 7 Discussion Thread

So I watched the premier a couple days after the fact on their website, I've still been trying to think on what can even be said about this episode…

One… it seems they have quite the need to keep ratings up as they are resorting to extremely brutal killings of characters people have grown attached to for years.

Two… I sort of found it to be like a train wreck where you couldn't really look away despite how awful the unfolding was to watch.

Three… I am not sure whether I will be keeping up with the series after this intro back into the show :foot:
 
People keep saying how brutal of a death they got but I keep thinking, they had it way better than Noah. I don't think it was to boost ratings. They were just evening up the cast to be more aligned with the comics.
 
People need to lighten up the show could be a lot more brutal. look up what happens to the Governor in the comics and thats nothing either. Michone didn't just take his eye and he had it coming
 
Maggot Brain said:
Possibly, I know nothing of what is in the comics. It just seemed in poor taste, personally anyways.
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I don't follow the comics either. I'm just going by some of the spoilers that some of the comic fans have dropped here on other TWD threads. Once it was already spoiled for me i went and looked it up online. It was their time to go. Abraham was past due and Glen got it exactly how they comics had it go down. Caved in melon, bulged out eyeball and all.
 
Jens Schuetz said:
That right there is the difference between tactical and strategical.
Both are important.
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Part of the definition of Tactical is a carefully planned event that will help to arrive at a goal beyond the immediate action. A tactical decision is also a strategic one. The definitions of these words really arent that different.

I dont think Ricks goal was to have Abrahams head bashed in.
 
Reign said:
Part of the definition of Tactical is a carefully planned event that will help to arrive at a goal beyond the immediate action. A tactical decision is also a strategic one. The definitions of these words really arent that different.

I dont think Ricks goal was to have Abrahams head bashed in.
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"The terms tactic and strategy are often confused: tactics are the actual means used to gain an objective, while strategy is the overall campaign plan, which may involve complex operational patterns, activity, and decision-making that lead to tactical execution."

If Rick does something successfully but ignored the bigger picture or failed to see the bigger picture then he was a bit heavy on the tactical side of things and lacked strategically. With Zombies that shouldn't be much of an issue but opposing thinking humans however they paid the price in the last episode.
Also if surprised it's hardly useful to change a strategy right then and there and any tactival action will be better than over thinking and blowing opportunities or expose oneself to further surprises.

What Ricks group did was a great example of tactics vs strategy, or lack of it.

Also if things do go wrong they don't have to be part of the plan and don't dictate if something was a strategy or tactic. A strategy or tactic cant account for everything.
I don't know if you've been in a military but things do go wrong no matter how much low or high level planning one does. Poo happens and in this case to Abraham. In hindsight of course it's easy to assign his death to lacking strategy or tactics.

As far as I know non of us armchair advisers who didn't read the comics or knew about Negan predicted the potential fallout just 4 Episodes ago. We all might have taken out some of Negans men and later paid the price for it.
 
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Full Definition of tactical
1
: of or relating to combat tactics: as
a (1) : of or occurring at the battlefront <a tactical defense> <a tactical first strike> (2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront <tactical missiles>
b of an air force : of, relating to, or designed for air attack in close support of friendly ground forces
2
a : of or relating to tactics: as (1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view
b : adroit in planning or maneuvering to accomplish a purpose

Strategy:

1
a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions
b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2
a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem
b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

Both can be defined as a plan with a big picture in mind.

Making up definitions for established words just leads to bad communication.

Yes I did serve in the military, and still do in the fire service. I understand Tactics/Strategy about as well as anyone.

Rick took one side of the story and ran with it. Killed a bunch of people in their sleep, and didnt keep the bigger picture in mind.

Negan kills 2 men, and people want to see him as the bad guy? Negan is the man. Plain and simple.
 
Reign said:
Full Definition of tactical
1
: of or relating to combat tactics: as
a (1) : of or occurring at the battlefront (2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront
b of an air force : of, relating to, or designed for air attack in close support of friendly ground forces
2
a : of or relating to tactics: as (1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view
b : adroit in planning or maneuvering to accomplish a purpose

Strategy:

1
a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions
b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2
a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem
b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal

Both can be defined as a plan with a big picture in mind.

Making up definitions for established words just leads to bad communication.

Yes I did serve in the military, and still do in the fire service. I understand Tactics/Strategy about as well as anyone.

Rick took one side of the story and ran with it. Killed a bunch of people in their sleep, and didnt keep the bigger picture in mind.

Negan kills 2 men, and people want to see him as the bad guy? Negan is the man. Plain and simple.
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Thank you Reign. Nobody made up any definitions. What you quoted is exactly what is meant by tactic especially when compared to a bigger strategy this applies:

---a : of or relating to tactics: as (1) : of or relating to small-scale actions serving a larger purpose (2) : made or carried out with only a limited or immediate end in view---

When some people speak of tactics alone they might include overarching objectives as goals and bigger plans as part of tactics. But how then would that be different from strategy? If you want to focus on the overlap of those definitions and want to use those words interchangeably that's fine and after you clarified that everybody who discusses it with you will also know what you mean.
However since I was the one comparing tactics and strategy I'll stick with the definition which I quoted from you which shows a significant difference between the two words. ;-)
And Rick's group's operation would be a textbook case to demonstrate the different meanings.
 
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gadunz said:
Its beginning to look a lot like war. 90% boredom, 10% horror/terror/panic.
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The show? Or this thread? ;)

Just kidding!

Well, sorta.
Rick et al killed a bunch of their perceived enemy, in their sleep.

Negan was not evening the score by killing two in retribution. He was employing terror tactics and psychological warfare in what he did. There are, I believe, several other means to still quietly kill the one (or two) that he has decided to kill, although it was quite apparent by his blithering droning on just to apparently hear his own voice that he cared not a whit about the noise. So, quite simply, a random bullet to the back of the head would have exacted retribution, and shown how "merciful" he was by not killing them all. But he had to perpetrate a vicious bludgeoning with a baseball bat to make it as brutal as possible. He could have also used an 8" knife to saw their head off their shoulders, but that might hit too close to certain current events to sit well with a majority of the audience.

No, Negan isn't "the man," (although his droning did tend toward entertaining, in a demented sort of way). He's just a narcissistic common bully thug with an over-developed self-esteem acting as the current warlord terrorist. And it is unfortunate Rick and his band of misfits couldn't have found their way into the midst of the hive and killed them all in their sleep. That would be tactical and strategic. I think … I'm not military or a graduate of war or War College. Heck, I haven't even ever stayed in a Holiday Inn Express (or Select, or whatever the heck the saying is).
 
Definitely needs less jibber-jabber and more zombie killin'. These happy little settlements they keep finding really bore me. The heck with dealing with Negan. Go back out on the road.
 
Maggot Brain said:
It just seemed in poor taste, personally anyways.
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..... it is a story framed around a post apocalyptic world now inhabited by Zombies that will happily hold you down and eat you alive. I am truly not sure how taste comes into it mate.
 
dogboye said:
The show? Or this thread? ;)

Just kidding!

Well, sorta.
Rick et al killed a bunch of their perceived enemy, in their sleep.

Negan was not evening the score by killing two in retribution. He was employing terror tactics...







You mean terror strategies......

Bahaha
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Anybody else wondering what was going on with feeding walkers to the pigs? The one guy said that they wanted them to have stomachs "full of rot". Maybe an attempt at some form of biological warfare?
 
clampdaddy said:
Anybody else wondering what was going on with feeding walkers to the pigs? The one guy said that they wanted them to have stomachs "full of rot". Maybe an attempt at some form of biological warfare?
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Well the Saviors are going to eat them...put two and two together..
 
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