Spyderco Fakes & Knock Offs Info

Are counterfeits on eBay only shipped out of China?

I ask just because I plan on buying a Sage 2 off the Bay soon and it's shipped from Missouri, I believe. And it's actually one of the same companies that sells the item through Amazon. The price is around where it should be and the seller has 99+ % feedback on eBay with over 200,000 feedback and a very positive Amazon feedback as well. This is all reassuring, though this thread makes me think twice. I prefer the Bay to use PayPal. Thanks!
 
Hi All
I am really not into the market for new Spyderco knives but I used to sell quite a few new Delicas and similar Spyderco knives back when they were fairly new at least to NW lower Mi. I always thought they were great knives and still always have one in my pocket. I really wonder how the counterfeits are affecting the market or is this problem not really known to average Spyderco buyer/user. I know I would be very hesitant to purchase one as I would have a very hard if not impossible detecting some of the knives shown in this thread. I have been buying and selling antique knives for 30 or so years but I do not have a chance to see in person many of the newer knives. Is this a big enough problem for Spyderco to do anything. It would seem to me it would be very hard to make a dent in the fake sales. As I have kind of kept up on prices of the older Spyderco knives I think they were a better investment than 90%of any other quality factory knives, especially user knives.If I see deals on older used Spyderco knives at shows I never pass them up, I can not say that of many other factory knives from the 80's on.
Dennis aka nifman
 
I wanted to update this thread with a more detailed comparison of the fake Southard to a real one, so here we go. First, the blades:

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Thickness at the spine is about the same on both, according to my calipers. The edges of the spine and the flipper are less rounded off than on the real deal, and the ends of the channel the stop pin rides in are more rounded on the fake. The detent hole is larger. While the external dimensions are almost exactly the same, the portion of the spine that remains full width along the top extends farther, around a quarter inch closer to the tip than on a real Southard (indicated by the small red line in the above image). Additionally, the blade tang ramp is much steeper on the clone.

The scale sides of the frame look like this:

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Note the obvious difference in the bearing rings. Also, there is an additional hole on the real Southard that is not present on the fake (see the red arrow above). The fake's bearing ring is hollow, open on the opposite side of what is shown here.

Next, the lock side of the frame:

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Again, notice that everything on the real Southard is stone washed, something that is not the case on the fake. There is an additional circular indentation on the real Southard near the pivot (see the red arrow). Also, there is a flat spot on each of the holes marked with arrows, including the pivot hole--this is not the case on the fake. On the real Southard the hardware (spacers, pivot center spacer) have matching flat spots that keep them from rotating with the screws, the fake is lacking these flat spots on the holes in the lock side.

To illustrate this a little better, take a look at the pivot center spacers:

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The real Southard's one, on the right, has a flat side where the arrow is placed.

The scale has some differences outside of the fake I purchased featuring CF:

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Notice the extra circular indentation and strange little pin on the real Southard scale.

There are some small differences in the external hardware as well:

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Notice the bigger start pattern on the real Southard's pivot screw. Also, the holes in the clips have different sizes.

One last note, the fake is slightly heavier, at around 4.25 ounces, than a real Southard.

Hopefully this will help anyone who is trying to tell if a Southard is the real deal. One the one I have here, the easiest things to notice would be the lack of stone washing, the slightly heavier weight, the longer full width section of the spine, the simpler pivot screws, and the missing hole on the scale side.

Taking the fake apart and reassembling it, I was able to fix the center and smooth out the action a bit, incidentally. Don't expect one of these to feel like junk, they're really quite accomplished as far as replicating the Southard goes.
 
It would be pretty easy to be fooled by those Southard fakes if you didn't have a real one next to it to compare. Ive been thinking of picking up a used Southard so I'm really glad I saw this first! Thank you for the great pics!
 
Hi Greg,

Thanx for the analysis. A bit shocking.

Dennis,

It hurts our long developed reputation. It dimishes our high quality reputation. It cheats the customer. It creates a question as to the integrity of an entire country. And in time it will surely hurt our sales, as it did in '99-2003 when the Endura and Delica copies were everywhere....and they didn't even say Spyderco on the knife.

sal
 
Hi Greg,

Thanx for the analysis. A bit shocking.

Dennis,

It hurts our long developed reputation. It dimishes our high quality reputation. It cheats the customer. It creates a question as to the integrity of an entire country. And in time it will surely hurt our sales, as it did in '99-2003 when the Endura and Delica copies were everywhere....and they didn't even say Spyderco on the knife.

sal

I have to admit that I was shocked myself. I could easily see someone who didn't have five real Spyderco Southards handy (I admit it, I have issues--I really like the knife, enough that I wanted to have multiple options to rotate through so I still have variety) being fooled by the counterfeit's appearance and packaging. :(

I hope these folks don't cause you too much problem. I'm sure most folks wouldn't willingly buy an outright counterfeit of something like this knife; a big part of the draw of the Southard model is the incredible fit and finish. I didn't see a big difference at all between the usual gold standard of production knives and the Southard, for example, and that was a comparison with a knife that cost a couple of hundred dollars more. I have a hard time imagining that anyone that wants a Southard would be happy with the copy, but maybe I'm naive in that belief.

The bigger concern to me is that unscrupulous sellers would buy these things and then resell them on the various secondary markets as if they were the real thing. :(

I can't do much to help, but if you keep making great knives I'll keep buying them. I'm not willing to join the cult just yet, but I will keep buying the knives ;)

Greg
 
Found a G-10 Dragonfly on the auction site, and bought it without researching first. It seems that Dragonflies have only been offered in the foliage green color in G-10. Well, here are close ups of what to look for - the big giveaway being that it is marked China on the blade. Real ones aren't Chinese made are they? The G-10 feels like the kind you would get on an Enlan or SRM knife, if you have one of those to feel. Beyond the markings, there is no lanyard hole and the screws are placed in different places than the real thing.

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Have you reported it to eBay as being fake?
 
The auction is gone now, about a day after it arrived, a notice came up that " This listing was removed by eBay. If you already paid for the item, we recommend that you wait 10 days from the expected delivery date to see if the item arrives. If you did not pay,you are no longer obligated to pay for this item."
 
"absolutely the best spyderco southard clone money can buy! get a real one next to it in your hands and you will never know the difference."

Seriously, that's Complete B$.
 
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