Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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Yup, a lot like the 'censorship' that librarians perform when they move a book from the wrong section to the correct section
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Use whatever analogy you want. But when a mod expresses love (his word, not mine) for his Manix 2, and then moves the thread after 17 pages... spin it anyway you want to. I'll stick to my opinion.
 
stormbird said:
Use whatever analogy you want. But when a mod expresses love (his word, not mine) for his Manix 2, and then moves the thread after 17 pages... spin it anyway you want to. I'll stick to my opinion.
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"a" mod? There's many mods that could have moved this review/testing thread to the Knife Reviews & Testing where it belongs.
 
Planterz said:
"a" mod? There's many mods that could have moved this review/testing thread to the Knife Reviews & Testing where it belongs.
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Well if the bitching doesn't stop, soon this thread will need to be moved again, to W&C this time. :grumpy:
 
Ankerson said:
I didn't beat it that hard. :D

There are no marks on the knives spine at all. :)

Other than the broken lock, missing tip and a few light scratches on the blade were I was cutting the wood it still looks new.
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I've inspected mine thoroughly and I can honestly say that I've no idea how you did it. It appears that the bearing is positioned in such a manner that the only way it can slip out is if you bend the back of the blade out of the way! Do you think it could have been because it got so loose? I saw that the blade was flopping around after about 5 seconds of cutting on your video. That was quite astounding!
 
NRaiano said:
I've inspected mine thoroughly and I can honestly say that I've no idea how you did it. It appears that the bearing is positioned in such a manner that the only way it can slip out is if you bend the back of the blade out of the way! Do you think it could have been because it got so loose? I saw that the blade was flopping around after about 5 seconds of cutting on your video. That was quite astounding!
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I really couldn't say... :confused:

It's going back to Spyderco today so we will find out I guess. :)
 
NRaiano said:
I've inspected mine thoroughly and I can honestly say that I've no idea how you did it. It appears that the bearing is positioned in such a manner that the only way it can slip out is if you bend the back of the blade out of the way! Do you think it could have been because it got so loose? I saw that the blade was flopping around after about 5 seconds of cutting on your video. That was quite astounding!
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I'm quite sure the loose pivot might 've been the reason here.I re-watched the vid and it sounds/looks to me as if the pivot was completely loose after the wood cutting session,like almost a few millimeters side to side.
 
knarfeng said:
I see Ankerson has his head "up and locked" about the validity of his steel rankings.
I noticed that Phil Wilson posted in that thread, so I stopped and read his post. Ankerson ignored it. I have to wonder if Ankerson realizes who Phil Wilson is.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8460986&postcount=143
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I did read it and Yes I know who Phil Wilson is. :D

I just haven't replied yet. :)

I have posted a number of times in my thread that my testing and ratings are not the last word in anything. ;)
 
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knarfeng said:
I see Ankerson has his head "up and locked" about the validity of his steel rankings.
I noticed that Phil Wilson posted in that thread, so I stopped and read his post. Ankerson ignored it. I have to wonder if Ankerson realizes who Phil Wilson is.
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Your post does not belong in this thread, and looks like a very deliberate attempt to derail it.
Not cool.
 
I can't believe Spyderco's compression lock hasn't been brought up yet.

I'd love to see Ankerson wear his arm out spine whacking that. I'd donate a Paramilitary, but I know it would fail miserably on the tip prying test, it's not designed for that kind of abuse, and I'm not giving up one of my babies. :)
 
The way I see it is that this test is not conclusive in either way. Maybe the Manix 2 CBBL design is faulty or maybe the particular knife was faulty. In either case, I am most curious to hear Spyderco's response and also interested to see if another sample of the M2 fares any better. I hesitate to damn any knife based on the failure of a single unit.
 
5.56 said:
I can't believe Spyderco's compression lock hasn't been brought up yet.

I'd love to see Ankerson wear his arm out spine whacking that. I'd donate a Paramilitary, but I know it would fail miserably on the tip prying test, it's not designed for that kind of abuse, and I'm not giving up one of my babies. :)
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They are nice. :D :thumbup:

But very fine tips don't do well prying. :eek:
 
Hey 5.56, the compression lock is good but the Para has a thin lock bar and pointy tip.

The ATR with the stronger tip and thicker lockbar would wear Ankerson out :)
 
Cotherion said:
Hey 5.56, the compression lock is good but the Para has a thin lock bar and pointy tip.

The ATR with the stronger tip and thicker lockbar would wear Ankerson out :)
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Good point.

Anyone care to donate their ATR? :p:D
 
I posted this over on another forum today and this pretty much sums it up for me. :)

The testing format that I developed was done over a lot of time testing different types of knives on and off camera. I finally came up with an across the board fair hard use test for folders that won't break all the knives. It's also short, repeatable and abusive enough to give them a real workout, but not too much to be unrealistic. This is a hard use test, not a break the knife test. If some fail then they fail, that's just how it is.

So far I have only had one complete failure and it just happens to be the M2, it's on it's way to Eric Glesser for inspection to find out why.

I have tested 7 folders using this new format so far and it looks like it's working very well.

Now if I had 3 of each knife, I would do the same test with each knife. :)

I understand that not everyone will be happy with every test that I do, but this is what I have and what I am doing. :)

A Hard Use Knife should be able to do some light prying, and a small amount of heavier prying, the pivot should be able to take some force without loosening up too much and the lock shouldn't fail the Over Strike and Spine Whacks. This should be able to be done with the same knife with no adjustments during the test.
 
5.56 said:
Good point.

Anyone care to donate their ATR? :p:D
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Where is the foot in the mouth smilie.

I'd donate my titanium atr, if someone could donate me 300 bucks in return :)

But I actually like the compression quite a lot cause even if the lockbar travels all the way, I cannot imagine failure still.

Actually the Cold Steel Pocket Bushman would be an affordable test. However it would be a clear it'll pass in my opinion.

Still, all these test made me start up an Ankerson Lawman fund. I'm thinking titanium liners and lowrider clip. 4 inch length and if possible in S30V. Maybe drill a little hole in the semicircle depress area of the lockbar so I can slip a small titanium rod into it. Kinda like the secondary lock for the Extrema Ratio lockbacks.
 
Ankerson said:
I understand that not everyone will be happy with every test that I do, but this is what I have and what I am doing. :)
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They are not scientific, as those by noss4 aren't. but they give me plenty indication of what a knife can and cannot do. Your test also shows the strong points of knives that fail the test or do poorly, like the M2. We all saw how well it cuts wood.
So depending on your requirements, the comparison with all the other folders could actually lead you inescapably to the objective conclusion that the M2 is the best folder of all those you tested.

I can live with that conclusion, even if my personal preferences lean another way. But I am lucky in that I can afford to buy folders that fit different purposes.
 
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