Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

[wongKI]

Ankerson, any reply from Spyderco yet?

 

[Buffalohump]

Its amazing to me the furore this test has created here. If the Manix 2 was that delicate a folder, there would be plenty of people posting about failures with it here and on other forums. We all know how quick people are to post if they experience a fault or failures with their knives. There was a guy who posted a story about how he used his Manix 2 to successfully defend himself from an assault and his knife held up fine. Now that's a real world test if ever there was one.

 

[philwar]

Its amazing to me the furore this test has created here.

It is caused solely by the fact that most Spyderco fans react to criticism of their brand like a radical muslim to a mohammed cartoon. It's just not acceptable to say anything that can even remotely be construed as negative (present company excepted of course). Freedom of speech does not apply where anything less than 100% positive about Spyderco is concerned.
Gallows get erected. Pyres with stakes get built. The wagons get circled. Lawyers get phoned, and a dark drape gets thrown over the statue of Saint Sal so he doesn't have to watch the horror.

People. Spyderco doesn't need defending. Mr Glesser is fine, and can take it.

I like Spyderco a lot, as I've stated many times. I just don't understand why so many of you identify SO strongly with the brand that any criticism (right or wrong) feels like a Cold Steel to the gut. NOTHING changes for you by Ankerson making and publishing his video's.

There was a guy who posted a story about how he used his Manix 2 to successfully defend himself from an assault and his knife held up fine. Now that's a real world test if ever there was one.

No, that's about as meaningless a bit if info as I've ever seen. Did he brandish it? Did he stab a guy thru the side of a TU-82 tank?

Are you seriously saying that some vague story about a guy using an M2 for SD tells you more about that knife than Ankerson short test?
Really?

 

[Steven Andrews]

You're going to get it now..

 

[Josh K]

It is caused solely by the fact that most Spyderco fans react to criticism of their brand like a radical muslim to a mohammed cartoon. It's just not acceptable to say anything that can even remotely be construed as negative (present company excepted of course). Freedom of speech does not apply where anything less than 100% positive about Spyderco is concerned.
Gallows get erected. Pyres with stakes get built. The wagons get circled. Lawyers get phoned, and a dark drape gets thrown over the statue of Saint Sal so he doesn't have to watch the horror.

I think it's actually solely caused by you and others unable to take the constructive criticism of this test by anyone. When they do you label them as "Spyderco fans" even though in most cases it's not the M2 results they are objecting to.

 

[philwar]

Dear Spyderco fan,

I think it's actually solely caused by you and others unable to take the constructive criticism of this test by anyone.

Show where this is the case.

When they do you label them as "Spyderco fans" even though in most cases it's not the M2 results they are objecting to.

I haven't counted them, as I'm sure you haven't but let's have a bet: most objections ARE about the M2.
Because most Spyderco fans get very violent if you, well, you know.
But I call them that because I'm polite, and I am one as well. I could have (perhaps should have) called them Spyderco fanbois but that would be too polarizing.

 

[Ankerson]

Ankerson, any reply from Spyderco yet?

Yes I did, the knife was mailed out yesterday.

 

[singularity35]

It is caused solely by the fact that most Spyderco fans react to criticism of their brand like a radical muslim to a mohammed cartoon. It's just not acceptable to say anything that can even remotely be construed as negative (present company excepted of course). Freedom of speech does not apply where anything less than 100% positive about Spyderco is concerned.

My experience too, and I consider myself a spyderco fanboi.

Are you seriously saying that some vague story about a guy using an M2 for SD tells you more about that knife than Ankerson short test?
Really?

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[Buffalohump]

I dont think he brandished it, he just stuck the guy with it.

There wasn't a tank involved, no. Just some clothing and human flesh.

No, that's about as meaningless a bit if info as I've ever seen. Did he brandish it? Did he stab a guy thru the side of a TU-82 tank?

Are you seriously saying that some vague story about a guy using an M2 for SD tells you more about that knife than Ankerson short test?
Really?

Yeah, I do believe it does! And its not a vague story, its rich with detail. He was interrogated at length about what happened. You can read all about it in PracTac.

 

[Josh K]

I dont think he brandished it, he just stuck the guy with it.

There wasn't a tank involved, no. Just some clothing and human flesh.



Yeah, I do believe it does! And its not a vague story, its rich with detail. He was interrogated at length about what happened. You can read all about it in PracTac.

If I wanted my brain melted to jelly I would have just stuck me head in the microwave.

 

[Ankerson]

If I wanted my brain melted to jelly I would have just stuck me head in the microwave.

Now that was the best bit of info in this thread so far. :thumbup:

 

[philwar]

I dont think he brandished it, he just stuck the guy with it.

There wasn't a tank involved, no. Just some clothing and human flesh.



Yeah, I do believe it does! And its not a vague story, its rich with detail. He was interrogated at length about what happened. You can read all about it in PracTac.

Well why didn't you say so? Do I have to go find it or do you have a link?
(I still think stabbing a human is less stressful (for the knife, that is ) than batoning, but it's good to hear the M2 is effective as a weapon :thumbup: Not that I doubted it for a second.)

 

[philwar]

My experience too, and I consider myself a spyderco fanboi.

Sorry but you can't be unless I am on your personal hitlist.

 

[Buffalohump]

Ask and ye shall receive

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753472

Well why didn't you say so? Do I have to go find it or do you have a link?
(I still think stabbing a human is less stressful (for the knife, that is ) than batoning, but it's good to hear the M2 is effective as a weapon :thumbup: Not that I doubted it for a second.)

 

[greater]

I have to say I believe with good reason that there was something wrong with the Manix tested for it to fail like that.

Those were very mild spine blows and although the lateral stress presented during carving was not very mild I still don't see how it could lead to lock failure unless the ball was prevented from sliding all the way into locked position.

 

[philwar]

Ask and ye shall receive

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753472

Wow. What a story. I hope I have that presence of mind and those reflexes if something like that ever happened to me.
I like to think I always see sh1t coming, but this was REALLY unexpected.

Anyway. His M2 sure did the job. :thumbup:

 

[FlaMtnBkr]

I have to say I believe with good reason that there was something wrong with the Manix tested for it to fail like that.

Those were very mild spine blows and although the lateral stress presented during carving was not very mild I still don't see how it could lead to lock failure unless the ball was prevented from sliding all the way into locked position.

You might as well give up. You are just going to be labeled a 'fanboy' and everything you say is negated because you are a 'Spyderco lover'.

Even though there is a very good reason why the Manix failed, and I am confident a Manix 2 would pass with flying colors without a loose pivot, there are those that now insist it is not up to heavy use and is not at the same level as the magical Triad lock. Even back locks are now being declared superior when back locks have never been very strong as even Ankerson's tests show. They can be over built to be pretty strong, but the design just does not deal with the forces in a efficient way. Smaller pins have to be used that take all the force and mating surfaces are used that can easily slip. Nothing will change some people's view of the Manix 2 and CBBL now that they view it as a lesser lock. And if you have these types of thoughts you will immediately have a label slapped on your back because it's impossible to have an open mind about the situation.

 

[stabman]

Even back locks are now being declared superior when back locks have never been very strong as even Ankerson's tests show.

So, Ankerson's tests do not reflect the strength of the ball bearing lock, but DO reflect the strength of back-locks, even though only one knife of each was tested?
Odd.

 

[Ankerson]

You might as well give up. You are just going to be labeled a 'fanboy' and everything you say is negated because you are a 'Spyderco lover'.

Even though there is a very good reason why the Manix failed, and I am confident a Manix 2 would pass with flying colors without a loose pivot, there are those that now insist it is not up to heavy use and is not at the same level as the magical Triad lock. Even back locks are now being declared superior when back locks have never been very strong as even Ankerson's tests show. They can be over built to be pretty strong, but the design just does not deal with the forces in a efficient way. Smaller pins have to be used that take all the force and mating surfaces are used that can easily slip. Nothing will change some people's view of the Manix 2 and CBBL now that they view it as a lesser lock. And if you have these types of thoughts you will immediately have a label slapped on your back because it's impossible to have an open mind about the situation.

OK here is the bottom line:

I nor anyone else knows why the M2 failed at this point and anything is pure speculation until the Eric Glesser inspects the knife.

The truth is whatever Sal or Eric Glesser says it is after the knife is inspected.

 

[philwar]

You might as well give up.

Don't be so sensitive man. You respond to yet ANOTHER person who claims the tested M2 must have been defective. What are the odds of that? What would THAT say about Spyderco. They don't MAKE defective stuff. I'd say that is a positive quality.
Sheez.

Even though there is a very good reason why the Manix failed

You accuse others of taking positions when nothing is known for certain, yet here you go (AGAIN) claiming to know the truth.

and I am confident

Yep, confident, based on the same info we all have, yet you're confident when AFAIK everybody else reserves judgment on the cause of the M2's failure. Who knows, it might have been defective...

Even back locks are now being declared superior

Give it up. You're so angry now you lost the ability to make sense. Calm down, take a few deep breaths.
Then tell us how you really feel.

when back loc<snip silly rationalization why backlocks must suck>

A cheap and simple linerless FRN backlock withstood a treatment that the M2 couldn't take. The Voyager was ruined in the process but at least it didn't fail.
And you get upset.
So what is this really about?