Spyderco Manix 2 and Benchmade Griptillian - Next 2 test knives

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razorburn said:
:thumbup: Of all the folders that were hard use tested this was the only knife that had an extremely loose blade.I still feel it should be retested and not babied in an way.
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The Griptillian was also very loose.

I tested and old Recon 1 off camera with the Ultra Lock and it rattled after I was done it was so loose, it was funny in a way, but was fine after I tightened it back up.

It was one of the knives I used to develop the new format for testing.
 
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Here is the knife here, it has gone though the process at least 4 times. It's taken at least 20 over strikes, Spine Whacks, pried a lot testing the tip and has been beaten on a tremendous amount. Now it has a lot of up and down play, but it's been through a lot so.

Like I said it was one of the knives that I used to develop the new testing process, there were also others, but I broke all of them in the development stages, don't ask me what they were because it wouldn't be fair to say. I took time to get a process that really would test the knife hard enough without breaking them on purpose and keep it under 5 mins, I tried a bunch of other ways to do it before I came up with the current process. The process is a Hard Use test not a destruction test so it took some doing to get it to the point that it was both fair and not really destructive to hard use knives.





 
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If the pivot being loose is such a major issue, perhaps it should have been shipped properly tightened. Especially with this knife being considered "hard use" and appearantly MBC capable.
Clearly the manix-2 doesn't have the same type of Ball-lock as others. Therefore, counting it amoung the statistics of thier other ball-lock knives is dishonest/deciving.
Also, although lot's of people seem to have true love and trust for Spyderco, they are still a business, and they want your money. That's why I don't trust anything they say including statistic. The video, on the other hand, does not lie. I'm also pretty sure Ankerson has no monitary reason to twist anything.
Spyderco needs to just stick with making thin-edged, thin-tipped knives with any old lock that fits. Then they need to quit making claims about how tough thier knives are. Most of thier fans will remain perfectly happy with that and keep loving them.

Also, that shiny footprint stuff has gone out the window.
 
Siggyhk said:
If the pivot being loose is such a major issue, perhaps it should have been shipped properly tightened. Especially with this knife being considered "hard use" and appearantly MBC capable.
Clearly the manix-2 doesn't have the same type of Ball-lock as others. Therefore, counting it amoung the statistics of thier other ball-lock knives is dishonest/deciving.
Also, although lot's of people seem to have true love and trust for Spyderco, they are still a business, and they want your money. That's why I don't trust anything they say including statistic. The video, on the other hand, does not lie. I'm also pretty sure Ankerson has no monitary reason to twist anything.
Spyderco needs to just stick with making thin-edged, thin-tipped knives with any old lock that fits. Then they need to quit making claims about how tough thier knives are. Most of thier fans will remain perfectly happy with that and keep loving them.
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Just like Emerson, Strider, CS, etc. advertise hard use knives maybe Spyderco should stick to No. 1 light use best slicing knives. After all, this seems to be the direction their going towards. Thinner, lighter, and smaller seems to be what they are going towards. Maybe this is what their customers want so they'll be happy with that.

Siggyhk said:
Also, that shiny footprint stuff has gone out the window.
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Oh, you noticed too? Or maybe the shiny footprints thing is just toward other knife companies and not towards people. :D
 
If you started developing significant lateral play in any folding knife you will increase your chances of lock failure. I always thought this was self evident. No lock is more resistant to preventing lateral play.
 
jill jackson said:
What's the use to test if you aren't going to determine why something tested failed? Hardly news at all when we don't know why. Maybe you don't care but I'm curious about the ball lock now.
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That's the reason why I PMed Sal right away before the Video was up and offered to send in the knife. Josh had suggested it also.

I know I blind sided him on that one. :o

Sorry about that Sal, but I didn't expect the knife to fail. :(
 
I have to admit that I'm disappointed with the direction this thread has taken.

The M2 failed. It's not Ankerson's "fault", neither is it a sign of any unfairness or anything. It simply highlights a design flaw that should be accepted, not overlooked, as Spyderco has done.

I'm not too pleased with Mr.Glesser's response to Ankerson; I found the comment on "obituaries" needlessly offensive, even if it were true. Disappointing from a company that has "shiny footprints" as its philosophy, and has a reputation for that kind of thing.

I am, however, happy that a design review is in process. If Spyderco is known for one thing it's constant model updating, and I'm sure the Manix 2 will be the better for it. Do remember that this is a relatively new lock and knife model, so some refinement will be needed.

For my personal take on the results, this test series hasn't been all that important to me; if anything, it cemented my belief that
-FBs for heavy use, folders for light
-But, it's good to have a folder that can handle it
-as long as you don't pay for it with overly heavy weight, poor blade geometry etc

All my personal opinion of course, in case it wasn't clear.
 
Ankerson said:
Here is the knife here, it has gone though the process at least 4 times. It's taken at least 20 over strikes, Spine Whacks, pried a lot testing the tip and has been beaten on a tremendous amount. Now it has a lot of up and down play, but it's been through a lot so.

Like I said it was one of the knives that I used to develop the new testing process, there were also others, but I broke all of them in the development stages, don't ask me what they were because it wouldn't be fair to say. I took time to get a process that really would test the knife hard enough without breaking them on purpose and keep it under 5 mins, I tried a bunch of other ways to do it before I came up with the current process. The process is a Hard Use test not a destruction test so it took some doing to get it to the point that it was both fair and not really destructive to hard use knives.





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:thumbup: I agree Jim.I have an older Recon 1 with the ultra lock which had no blade play but after a few spine whacks on a carpeted concrete floor,it had a very noticeable amount of vertical blade play.I am still very confident the knife will not close during use because of how the lock is designed.

To just clarify,I didn't mean to say that you were babing the Manix 2 when it was first tested but meant if it were to be retested,it should be in the exactly the same manner.There were others like Jill who were suggesting that it be babied if the test was redone.

I do appreciated how you developed your hard use test but I still feel that if the blade pivot is excessively loose, it should be promptly tightened before further proceding with the test.That's just my feeling about it.

Lastly,I was looking at the last pic and it seems the blade is slightly bent to the right side.
 
razorburn said:
Lastly,I was looking at the last pic and it seems the blade is slightly bent to the right side.
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You can see a tiny bit of the G10 texture on the right side of the handle that you can't see on the left, so it could just be the angle of view.
 
razorburn said:
:thumbup: I agree Jim.I have an older Recon 1 with the ultra lock which had no blade play but after a few spine whacks on a carpeted concrete floor,it had a very noticeable amount of vertical blade play.I am still very confident the knife will not close during use because of how the lock is designed.

To just clarify,I didn't mean to say that you were babing the Manix 2 when it was first tested but meant if it were to be retested,it should be in the exactly the same manner.There were others like Jill who were suggesting that it be babied if the test was redone.

I do appreciated how you developed your hard use test but I still feel that if the blade pivot is excessively loose, it should be promptly tightened before further proceding with the test.That's just my feeling about it.

Lastly,I was looking at the last pic and it seems the blade is slightly bent to the right side.
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It's slightly bent, but after the total hell this knife has gone though that's really nothing.
 
I just finished testing the next knife in the series, the CS Hatamoto, it's a Ti Liner Lock.

Like I stated any knife that is labeled as hard use can and will possibly be tested, it's the 10th knife tested in the series.

Video will be up in about 5 hours.
 
Ankerson said:
I just finished testing the next knife in the series, the CS Hatamoto, it's a Ti Liner Lock.

Like I stated any knife that is labeled as hard use can and will possibly be tested, it's the 10th knife tested in the series.

Video will be up in about 5 hours.
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Were you able to tighten it up again?
 
philwar said:
Were you able to tighten it up again?
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Yep, it's just like new after I tightened it back up. :thumbup:

ZERO play. :D

Some Lock-Tight added during manufacturing would be nice, it is a $250 knife and pillar construction.
 
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Well I have one more knife that is mine to test yet, the Rajah 1 then I am out of Hard Use Knives that I own to test. I have 2 others, but it would be redundant to test them as others like them have been tested already. We have seen knives that cost from $50 all the way to $500 tested so that's not too bad. :)

So that will be 3 that were donated so far and 8 of my own. :thumbup:
 
I did not realize that you had risked that much $$$ with these tests. Good work once again. These tests will add quite a bit to the body of knowledge about our passion.
 
singularity35 said:
I did not realize that you had risked that much $$$ with these tests. Good work once again. These tests will add quite a bit to the body of knowledge about our passion.
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I would say a few $$$. :eek:

Not including the 4 others that I broke and threw away developing the format.
 
You know Ankerson, with that much moolah that you have :) perhaps you can get another Manix 2 and subject it to the same test but with one exception, you keep screwing tight the pivot screw to make the side to side play disappear. Yeah it ain't fair but let's see how it performs after being given this handicap.
 
Cotherion said:
You know Ankerson, with that much moolah that you have :) perhaps you can get another Manix 2 and subject it to the same test but with one exception, you keep screwing tight the pivot screw to make the side to side play disappear. Yeah it ain't fair but let's see how it performs after being given this handicap.
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Eric Glesser implied that it won't take the over strikes etc so it would be a waste to test another one. ;)
 
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