Spyderco "mislead" about price increases!!!

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Ganzofan said:
I simply question Tenacious went from sub 30 to 50-60, almost a 100% increase while Rat 1 actually decreased in price during the same time.

Ontario is also an American company, likely with all the overhead expenses you guys mentioned in previous threads. And Rat1 is made in the more expensive Taiwan.

Logic dictates something does not add up here with regard to Tenacious' price increase and by the Rat1 comparison I'm pretty sure it ain't due to increase to material cost.

Not a single person who posted so far have countered my original argument and have only bashed me for my screen name, bashed China, supported spyderco because they make great stuff and Sal is good to his customers etc...

This is simply a comparison of two similar American knife companies making two similar knives and likely the truth in their price discrepancy developed over the years have to do with acceptable profit margin each company is willing to accept.
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It was never sub $30. We can't "counter" your imagination because your imagination has proved to be vastly wrong so many times words fail us.

Do you ya get it now?
 
Go look at the pics I posted on the original thread.
91bravo said:
Again, use your 10 x $20 knives, folks will still pay for what they want in a Spyderco knife. I don't get the point of your rant, just you complaining about prices increasing over the years. Why not complain about milk? It's $3.50 a gallon now, when it was a just nickel way back in the day the milk man delivered it to your house.



I bought a brand new truck in 1991 for $10K, same brand new truck in 2006 for $28K, and the same brand new truck in 2019 for $36K. Funny how prices increase over the years isn't it?
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Danke42 said:
It was never sub $30. We can't "counter" your imagination because your imagination has proved to be vastly wrong so many times words fail us.

Do you ya get it now?
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Y’all are a bunch of trolls. Show some respek!

Also, everyone here should own at least one Para 3. Really great compact EDC. It’s like the Glock 19 of the knife world in a room full of full-sized handguns.

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Ganzofan said:
Go look at the pics I posted on the original thread.
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So because somebody paid (or claimed to pay) X amount of dollars for something 8 years ago and the price increased since then you’re saying Sal G. is lying about his material costs? :rolleyes:

I personally have never, EVER seen a Tenacious for less than around $40. There, Call me a liar too.

By the way, Amazon doesn’t count as a source for prices. They fluctuate DAILY, and it’s so full of fake BS when it comes to knives it’s ridiculous.

This whole thread reeks of haterade. I got news for ya pal - there’s a whole new world of knives out there once you scrape enough coins together to break the fiddy bones barrier.
 
knarfeng said:
Then you have no business arguing that a knife costs more than you think it should. You have no basis for understanding what drives the cost of a knife.
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I only discussed it with respect to what I do know. That's the market and what is available to the consumer. Since when does someone need to be an expert on manufacturing to talk about that?

I asked the question I did about Sandvik steels based on what you said about them. Even if I have no basis for understanding or no right to debate here, surely a qualified expert who does could engage that question.

The "overpriced" 8Cr13Mov knives I mentioned are all being made for Spyderco, Kershaw, CRKT, etc. by unknown Chinese manufacturers. I don't know the specifics of those relationships. I'm only familiar with the results. As far as anyone can tell, Ruike also has their knives made for them and most likely by Sanrenmu. Could somebody with a better understanding explain the possible reasons why Spyderco isn't getting better steel in their Chinese-made $50-knives? It may also be helpful to explain this relative to the less expensive Byrd knives in the same steel.
 
Ganzofan said:
Go look at the pics I posted on the original thread.
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At absolute best the pics only prove that some retailers were likely selling the Tenacious at a loss as part of a sale. Here's a link to the Spydiewiki with the actual MSRP data for the Tenacious.
http://www.spydiewiki.com/index.php?title=C122_Tenacious
You're attempting to cherry pick street price, but street price is a terrible representation of what the manufacturer charges for a knife, MSRP isn't perfect either as it's invariably inflated, but it offers a vastly more consistent picture of how the manufacturer values the knife and the MSRP in this case makes it absolutely clear that the Tenacious was ALWAYS significantly more expensive that the Rat 1. Is the Tenacious overpriced for what it is? Maybe, but that's not the accusation you made. You claimed that Spyderco was lying about how they determined their prices and the respective MSRP of each knife shows that your initial assumption, that the knives cost roughly the same 12 years ago, is baseless as is your argument.
 
I hate Spydercos so much, because of this unfair policy that I am going to throw away all of my Spydercos.
There are a few more laying around somewhere that I need to gather up. I know I have a big stack of mule trains in various steels.
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AntDog said:
G-10 vs FRN. Rocket science, it ain’t.
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No. Rocket science involves numbers and math. ;)

That said, I'm sure that's a factor. The question is how much of a factor. For instance, how much more expensive is G-10 at that scale of production? A point I made earlier is that G-10 and actions on bearings aren't as rare as they used to be. They can now be found on some real bargain-basement knives in 3Cr13 (etc.) that cost less than the price difference between a Meadowlark and a Tenacious.
 
vjb.knife said:
I hate Spydercos so much, because of this unfair policy that I am going to throw away all of my Spydercos.
There are a few more laying around somewhere that I need to gather up. I know I have a big stack of mule trains in various steels.
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Let us know the location of the dumpster you throw them in. :D
 
Chronovore said:
No. Rocket science involves numbers and math. ;)

That said, I'm sure that's a factor. The question is how much of a factor. For instance, how much more expensive is G-10 at that scale of production? A point I made earlier is that G-10 and actions on bearings aren't as rare as they used to be. They can now be found on some real bargain-basement knives in 3Cr13 (etc.) that cost less than the price difference between a Meadowlark and a Tenacious.
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Every piece of G10 needs to be cut and shaped and that requires a fair amount of PPE to do safely. Beyond the initial cost of molds, FRN is vastly less labor intensive and so it benefits much more from economy of scale.
 
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