Spyderco "mislead" about price increases!!!

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Hurrul said:
I was not referring to Donald Trumps twitter feed, which receives hundreds of thousands of tweets a week - he's not responding to all of those, even with technology.

I was talking about taking your thoughts to the head of a business who actively responds to members of this forum. Who makes himself open to the communications of others on this site.

Companies are not an individual. Yet, you can tag the spyderco owner and ask him what you want to ask, to get a valid response not some contrived response from a public relations department or a policy formulated response from an employee.
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Sal is also moving ahead with an Ayoob sprint run, thanks to a member of the spyderco forum who got the ball rolling. What other head of a company does that? All because the fans wanted it, not market research.

Sal responds, and Sal delivers if he can. I'll continue to support him and Spyderco because of that.
 
Just doing some idle checking and the MSRP of the Tenacious when it was introduced was $54.95. The MSRP of a Rat 1 TODAY is $36. So the claims of a $25 Tenacious are either entirely fictitious or someone selling at a loss given that they would be selling at LESS than half MSRP. Given Spyderco's current MAP model the Tenacious at that time would have been about $35.70 or so, in other words, extremely comparable to the current price gap between the two. So we can pretty obviously tell that in 2008 the Tenacious was the more expensive knife and in 2020 the Tenacious remains the more expensive knife. So much for this little conspiracy.
 
If you wanna complain about Syperco's prices thats fine. You'll probably find many around here who agree with you.

But you won't get very far calling Sal a liar. That man has a better reputation around here than you ever will, and he has earned 100% of it. Plus you have no actual evidence to back up your claim. Just give it up dude.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I meant your documentation of prices, not the documentation of your extremely obvious agenda. Show us the respective prices of the two knives in 2008.
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Ahhh I see what you are saying, simply look at all the reviews of the two knives from that time on YouTube. I bought both knives multiple time back then too. I'll update a link later when I find the time.
 
Ganzofan said:
Ahhh I see what you are saying, simply look at all the reviews of the two knives from that time on YouTube. I bought both knives multiple time back then too. I'll update a link later when I find the time.
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Don't bother. I actually found hard evidence in the form of the MSRP of the Tenacious upon release. The $25 Tenacious was either an incredible sale or a figment of your imagination as that would have made it 55% OFF MSRP, which is absolutely not a standard street price.
 
knarfeng said:
I am.





The knives are not comparable.
  • Tenacious has G10 handles
  • $25 RAT has FRN handles with no liners.
G10 is much more expensive to form and machine than the FRN handles of the RAT.

And you want to be real careful throwing around insults at the moderator. "Fanboy" is an insult.
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knarfeng said:
The knives are not comparable.
  • Tenacious has G10 handles
  • $25 RAT has FRN handles with no liners.
G10 is much more expensive to form and machine than the FRN handles of the RAT.
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Spyderco makes some great knives and has been driving innovation in the industry for a long time. That's not in question. Commenting just on the Tenacious being overpriced, is that really a question? It's a $50 knife in 8Cr13Mov and it's 2020. The non-steel material differences on the RAT might have mattered once upon a time but these days, features like G10 scales and actions that run on ball bearings can be found on ultra-cheap Chinese knives in junk steels like 3Cr13.

Here are some more clear-cut comparisons:

The Tangram Santa Fe from Kizer costs less than $30. Fit and finish is good. Their Acuto 440 holds a better edge and is more corrosion resistant than 8Cr13Mov without being difficult to sharpen.

The Petrified Fish 818 costs less than $30. It has G10, bearings, and an incredible action. Their Chinese D2 holds a much better edge than 8Cr13Mov. My only complaint with this one is that the inner scale edges (nested liners) benefited from a little filing. Of course, the same can be said about the Byrd Meadowlark, which costs about the same and uses 8Cr13Mov.

CJRB has a lot of knives that cost less than the Tenacious. Some, like the sub-$40 Feldspars, have received widespread acclaim. In my own experience, fit and finish is okay, action is decent, and their Chinese D2 holds a nice edge.

All of the sub-$50 Civivi knives...

I haven't tried any of these but Ruike has a good reputation. Here are all of their knives that cost less than a Tenacious on BladeHQ. They use either 12C27 or 14C28N:
https://www.bladehq.com/cat--RUIKE-Knives--2547#/filter:price:*:49

The point is that in 2020, the Tenacious in 8Cr13Mov is ludicrously overpriced at $50. Heck, the Byrd Meadowlark in 8Cr13Mov is ridiculous at its current price. Competition has really ramped up in the sub-$50 category. Companies like Spyderco, Kershaw, and CRKT have fallen way behind the times with overpriced knives in 8Cr13Mov. I'd love to see that change.
 
Just a few "overpriced" gems that have taken good care of me over the years:

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Insipid Moniker said:
Just doing some idle checking and the MSRP of the Tenacious when it was introduced was $54.95. The MSRP of a Rat 1 TODAY is $36. So the claims of a $25 Tenacious are either entirely fictitious or someone selling at a loss given that they would be selling at LESS than half MSRP. Given Spyderco's current MAP model the Tenacious at that time would have been about $35.70 or so, in other words, extremely comparable to the current price gap between the two. So we can pretty obviously tell that in 2008 the Tenacious was the more expensive knife and in 2020 the Tenacious remains the more expensive knife. So much for this little conspiracy.
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I added some pics on the OP. Looks like most people people got Tenacious for between $15 and $29.

Rat 1 is actually cheaper today than it was eight years ago.

And when you talk about Spyderco MAPP, that only started a few years ago.
 
Chronovore said:
Spyderco makes some great knives and has been driving innovation in the industry for a long time. That's not in question. Commenting just on the Tenacious being overpriced, is that really a question? It's a $50 knife in 8Cr13Mov and it's 2020. The non-steel material differences on the RAT might have mattered once upon a time but these days, features like G10 scales and actions that run on ball bearings can be found on ultra-cheap Chinese knives in junk steels like 3Cr13.

Here are some more clear-cut comparisons:

The Tangram Santa Fe from Kizer costs less than $30. Fit and finish is good. Their Acuto 440 holds a better edge and is more corrosion resistant than 8Cr13Mov without being difficult to sharpen.

The Petrified Fish 818 costs less than $30. It has G10, bearings, and an incredible action. Their Chinese D2 holds a much better edge than 8Cr13Mov. My only complaint with this one is that the inner scale edges (nested liners) benefited from a little filing. Of course, the same can be said about the Byrd Meadowlark, which costs about the same and uses 8Cr13Mov.

CJRB has a lot of knives that cost less than the Tenacious. Some, like the sub-$40 Feldspars, have received widespread acclaim. In my own experience, fit and finish is okay, action is decent, and their Chinese D2 holds a nice edge.

All of the sub-$50 Civivi knives...

I haven't tried any of these but Ruike has a good reputation. Here are all of their knives that cost less than a Tenacious on BladeHQ. They use either 12C27 or 14C28N:
https://www.bladehq.com/cat--RUIKE-Knives--2547#/filter:price:*:49

The point is that in 2020, the Tenacious in 8Cr13Mov is ludicrously overpriced at $50. Heck, the Byrd Meadowlark in 8Cr13Mov is ridiculous at its current price. Competition has really ramped up in the sub-$50 category. Companies like Spyderco, Kershaw, and CRKT have fallen way behind the times with overpriced knives in 8Cr13Mov. I'd love to see that change.
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I don't think you have proven your point. Especially with the 12C27 and 14C28. Those alloys can be blank formed, an inexpensive process. They are just stamped. You have to machine 8Cr13MoV. Machining a blade is significantly more expensive.

Price is much more a function of manufacturing process plus fit, finish and design than one of materials used.

Plus Spyderco knives are designed in the US and their marketing department is also in the US. That adds to the costs that Chinese firms do not have.

I can't speak to fit and finish, since I don't have any of the knives you mention. But I do know that Spyderco holds high fit and finish standards and they ensure that the blades receive an optimal heat treat.

The original argument presented was ridiculously flawed. Yours is not much better.
 
Ganzofan said:
lol obviously D2 can't touch Rex45 or M4, but how much are those Rex45 and M4 again? was it $20?
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Again, use your 10 x $20 knives, folks will still pay for what they want in a Spyderco knife. I don't get the point of your rant, just you complaining about prices increasing over the years. Why not complain about milk? It's $3.50 a gallon now, when it was a just nickel way back in the day the milk man delivered it to your house.

Ganzofan said:
Lol I don't want anyone to go off on anyone's credibility. Please look at facts! How much was Rat 1 & Tenacious 12 years ago and how much is it today? That's a fact dude.
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I bought a brand new truck in 1991 for $10K, same brand new truck in 2006 for $28K, and the same brand new truck in 2019 for $36K. Funny how prices increase over the years isn't it?
 
Can't agree or disagree with the Tenacious comments as I have little interest in that knife. I think many knives are over priced including Spyderco's. In part that is why I have geared down my buying. I seldom buy a knife anymore just to try out on pure impulse other than something like a Rough Ryder slip joint. We're talking sub-$20 normally. I have little interest in most Chinese made knives with a few exceptions in the past 3-4 years. I don't care if they have ball bearings, G-10 or are gold plated. I just don't have any interest.

So, I really don't care one way or the other about the OP's initial post. My "cheap" Spydies are the Delica and Endura.
 
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