Spyderco Southard Flipper

bld552, it is really not all that new any more, and you are correct that I do not have to like but must abide in it. But, for personal reasons, based in part in concern for future of my family's next generation, I am not required to bless it with my silence. I can observe. I can articulate my concerns, especially when I truly believe I see fallacies in the logical underpinnings. And, since you said Spyderco bought "infrastructure" for Taiwan, what was that infrastructure...beyond the machines that apparently some folks believe (and not necessarily you, I understand) that we cannot master?
 
rycen, I have read that thread before, and i skimmed again to refresh my memory. I will read it agin, carefully, tomorrow, when I am fresh, to make sure I am not mistaken, but my recollection is not that the company farmed out the manufacture to chopshops to make crap and reap high profits (like a lot of other comanies in all kinds of businesses) but, at least in part, to keep up with demand with a quality product, and I respectfuly conclude that we could install machines here just as quickly as there, and we would not need to ship the requisite steel overseas. i am not damning the company, but I am not closing my eyes and mind, either.

Yes, the Manix absolutely rocks. The one item with me at all times (except in the shower). It locks up perfectly, everything lines up right, and it fits like a glove. Some folks comment about the size, but, honestly, I do not notice it clipped in my pocket. The other day in court, a fellow prosecutor said "cover up your knife clip before the judge sees it and holds you in contempt"-its presence in my suit pocket made no discernible impact on my senses. maybe it is TOO perfect?
 
cwdotson said:
bld552, it is really not all that new any more, and you are correct that I do not have to like but must abide in it. But, for personal reasons, based in part in concern for future of my family's next generation, I am not required to bless it with my silence. I can observe. I can articulate my concerns, especially when I truly believe I see fallacies in the logical underpinnings.
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The global economy doesn't care about your family's next generation. It's going to do to them what it's already doing to us only worse. What we need to do is develop a strategy that will enable us to flourish in the new reality rather than waste our time tilting at windmills.

Life is a game. In order to have a game, something has to be more important than something else. If what already IS is more important than what ISN'T, the game is over. So life is a game in which what ISN'T is more important than what IS.

Let the good times roll!
 
I understand that a cumulative intangible entity doesn't "care": It is incapable of any emotion and immune to personification. Nonetheless, thank you for pointing that out. I also note the quixotic reference but do not entirely subscribe to its application. And, part of my reality, as trivial is it may be, is observing and discussing, including challenging conclusions. For example: "Nobody could afford that if it was made in America." At the risk of redundancy, my Manix was made here: It was not cheap. but neither was it vulgarly expensive. And, are you referencing Game Theory? Regardless, I respectfully reject a philosophy predicated on our existence as a game. While not ignorant of our banalaties, our shortcomings, our pettiness, and our failings, we are made of stars, and we can asipre to better. Thanks for the time, and what DID you mean by "infrastructure"?
 
The dictionary defines "infrastructure" as the underlying base or foundation especially for an organization or system. (Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infrastructure.) That definition applies pretty well to what I meant by "infrastructure". And apparently you missed my point with respect to my (or more accurately, Werner Erhard's) statement that "life is a game". Let me try to explain it to you this way:

Taiwan produces some of the best-built knives on the planet for prices people can afford and the Chinese produce inexpensive, reasonably well-made knockoffs of knives people cannot afford.

That's what IS.

Does that mean the game is over? I hardly think so.

Let the good times roll. :D
 
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I challenged his use of the term on one of my replies and he in turn pointed out that he was quoting you. May be part of the reason why hes been trying to get an answer as to why you used it. It aint that serious, I get the whole picture and what both of you are saying.
 
Good. :)

There's a lovely passage in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous that applies here, I think. It goes like this:

"And acceptance is the answer to all my problems today. When I am disturbed, it is because I find some person, place, thing or situation -- some fact of my life -- unacceptable to me, and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment.

Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in God's world by mistake. Until I could accept my alcoholism, I could not stay sober; unless I accept life completely on life's terms, I cannot be happy. I need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world as on what needs to be changed in me and in my attitudes."

Now where were we? Oh yes . . .

Let the good times roll! :D
 
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Cwdotson, I wish I could understand what you are saying. You obviously have a very diverse vocabulary, but I would have to google half of what you are typing because I simply don't understand the words you are using or the manner in which you are using them. Can you dumb it down for those of us that didn't ace the vocabulary section of the SATs?
 
Tony8179 said:
Cwdotson, I wish I could understand what you are saying. You obviously have a very diverse vocabulary . . .
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. . . or a dictionary on your lap. ;)

I don't think what cw is trying to say is that difficult to understand, hence my statement concerning the value of tilting at windmills.

Things have changed. We live in a global economy now. I'd suggest it's time we got used to it.
 
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AKOperator said:
As suggested before, I don't think the value's there so I'll stick with Benchmade, ZT, Kershaw, Emerson, and *gasp* Cold Steel.
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The only company in that list that I would say could match Spyderco on any level is ZT. They are very close. I have had two Benchmades and they both had some side to side blade play, which was unacceptable to me. I have one Coldsteel fixed blade, which is good for the money, but nowhere near Spydies or ZT's F&F. As to Emerson, I have heard a lot about their F&F problems, it seems to me that their knives are overpriced for what you get. That said, I do like their designs and I'm sure I'll get one some day.
 
bld522 said:
. . . or a dictionary on your lap. ;)

I don't think what cw is trying to say is that difficult to understand, hence my statement concerning the value of tilting at windmills. :)
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I have no idea what he is saying because once I hit words that I need to google, I stop reading. I'm not saying that only single syllable words are needed, but "banalities"... Really? Is boring to banal of a word? I had to google that before I used it, by the way. :D
 
I know he's serious, but I cant engage it full on, it would take too much brain processing power. So I look for key points and roll with those. Lol try that.
 
cwdotson said:
I understand that a cumulative intangible entity doesn't "care": It is incapable of any emotion and immune to personification. Nonetheless, thank you for pointing that out. I also note the quixotic reference but do not entirely subscribe to its application. And, part of my reality, as trivial is it may be, is observing and discussing, including challenging conclusions. For example: "Nobody could afford that if it was made in America." At the risk of redundancy, my Manix was made here: It was not cheap. but neither was it vulgarly expensive. And, are you referencing Game Theory? Regardless, I respectfully reject a philosophy predicated on our existence as a game. While not ignorant of our banalaties, our shortcomings, our pettiness, and our failings, we are made of stars, and we can asipre to better. Thanks for the time, and what DID you mean by "infrastructure"?
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Good points, and I wish more people would bring points like these around.

What we mean by if it was made in the USA it would be more expensive is just that. The different in the currency, wages, taxes, ,etc makes USA more expensive to manufacture in.

You will find few answers here, or in many forums to be honest. Just accept the basic answers. USA is more expensive, Taiwan is less expensive. Personally what was quoted already was plain BS. I have Taiwanese friends whom left Taiwan precisely due to inexplicably poor wages, and practices still going on in many business despite their majors.
However it is most definitely not China, and people ARE better paid by far however to compare them to USA's cost of running a business... Not really. They're tax rate starts at around 7% and can go up as high as 45% according to my friends. 45% is reserve for incredibly wealthy individuals.
Business taxes are more lenient from what I gather, according to Wiki it sits at 17% as the top rate.

I've asked similar questions and was quickly booed away from a computer forum only to be given an equally and opposite reaction when I came back. People seemed glad.
 
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I know he's serious, but I cant engage it full on, it would take too much brain processing power. So I look for key points and roll with those. Lol try that.
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Yep. The gist of what he's trying to say seems crystal clear to me.

Luis G. said:
What we mean by if it was made in the USA it would be more expensive is just that. The different in the currency, wages, taxes, ,etc makes USA more expensive to manufacture in.
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Precisely. Now put that statement in the context of needing to compete in a global economy and it doesn't take a degree in rocket science to understand what's happening.
 
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If people tilt at a windmill long enough, it will fall. A bunch of people, together, constitute a trend with consequences. One, all alone, is an object of ridicule, an obese and antiquated excuse for a knight. I got that and I get it. I am still unswayed. And, for purposes of this thread, what China does and what Taiwan does are fine and dandy, and laissez les bon temps rollez and such, but that example of a paradigm falls well short of establishing why the US cannot receive "infrastructure" updates and make good and affordable (though not cheap) products...again, I am looking at my Manix from Golden right now as I "speak," and again, I am still unswayed.

Moreover, I have attended AA with a friend, and I have heard that mantra, and on our disputed points, I do not need to agree with you to reach harmony with God's plan. I disagree, at least as regards application, especially in the instant case, on sitting back and saying, "Well, God must have meant for this to happen." I do not know what He/She/It intends, but I believe we cannot sit around on folded hands and trust all will be done for us. Things do not get better: people must make them better. A kind of entropy, I guess.

And I know this thread, intended as a slam at a good company, one I can like while not capitulating to all their practices, has wnadered astray, in great part because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. i read a lot of stuff on this forum, and a lot of times I shake my head and move on. When I shake my head, I am not necessarlily right in thinking oters are wrong, but I guess I conclude that by withholding my metaphorical 2 cents worth for so long, I get to spend some of the interest now and then. So, in observence of the following, I will withdraw from the discourse.

Some time ago, some folks became concerned about whales beaching themselves on the California coast, and they started organizing groups to roll them back into the salty waves. Then, the California Condor, already in perilously low numbers, dipped even lower per population. Why? They relied in great part on the flesh from the ceteceans to feed their broods. The folks saving whales did not want to kill condors, but that was an unintended consequence. And, a lot of the discussion the past 12 hours or so probably falls under the realm of consequences unintended by the original post. Later, folks.
 
Your post about windmills, AA, whales and condors does absolutely nothing to help your argument, cw.

Bu bye!!
 
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