Spyderco vs Benhcmade

There is a place in every pocket for both!

Benchmade makes sexy knives, and the Axis lock works very well for me.

Spyderco has been around longer, and has been just as innovative as any manufacturer out there.

Sal does not care about sexy, he cares about performance. Les cares about making money, and having fun, not necessarily in that order.

I have a 710 that I carry on a daily basis. I also looove the two Police models that I have in carbon fiber, and G10.

They both have great warranty service.

There is no clear winner. I would simply say as a thought, that I think that Benchmade is more innovative when it comes to lock mechanisms, but Spyderco is more daring about trying out different designs, like the Manix.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Vinny, sorry Spyderco didn't work out for you. The cheaper Japanese ones are known to be more consistant.
A non tanto AXIS BM..I would try the 710 for a big 3.9" bladed utility knife, AFCK for the same sized blade with bigger handle or the smaller Ares
 
allyourblood said:
you mean Cliff's tests are enough to convince you of a lock's strength? wow.
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LOL!

yup, cliff be da man..

and i still want to see the axis lock cliff-tested.
 
Garlic said:
LOL!

yup, cliff be da man..

and i still want to see the axis lock cliff-tested.
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Maybe if we all pitched in passaround style and sent him one with a nice note.
 
Vinny

What's your agenda here?

You go on and on in a previous thread you started, trying to get people to agree that your Spyderco ParaMilitary has a number of whicheven your macro photos couldn't show. Then your try to get New Graham to take it back because you feel it's defective. Then your return it and they give you your money back. Now here you go with a "Who's best" post.

If you want microscopic perfection - give up now. Both Benchmade and Spyderco have lots of fans, but I doubt any would claim that either company gives perfection. If you want to know what the differences are, there's lots of info available. Most "Who's best?" threads just end up in arguments. If you still want to pursue the "Who's best" theme then I'll give you my best Sal Glesser quote "All good, just different"

David
 
In Australia we have the great debate Ford and Holden (GM), with T-shirts like;

'I'd rather push my Ford than drive a Holden'

We even have a great car race each year, the Bathurst 1000, which is essentially a contest between Ford and Holden despite the presence of other manufacturers. The fact that the races are between cars that are nothing like the cars we drive in the street and just have a carbon fibre mould thrown over the top to resemble the street car that they represent, means nothing to the fans of each brand. The winner gets 12-months of 'my car is better than yours' bragging rights. My brother is a holden man - I am a ford man - we will never change.

It's the same with knives. I just happen to be a spyderco man. I like em - I just do.

SO I'D RATHER SWALLOW MY SPYDIE THAN CUT WITH A BENCHMADE :D
 
vinny77 said:
I would like to know the groups decision on who makes the overall best knives.

Spyderco vs Benhcmade

Strength
sharpness out of box
How long the last
how good they look
what they can withstand
Warrenty
company and service

and anything else you guys can think of.
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Strength: Depends on the knife
Sharpness out of the box: I say Spyderco
How long they last: Depends how you handle them, but both should last you years.
How good they look: A personal preference, and depends on what kind of knife you're looking for. I got my Dodo, because of it's a great utilitarian knife, and has very different looks. People say it's ugly or freaky (with a :eek: ), but I was getting a little bored, so I decided to go with a different look. I'm :) .
What they can withstand: Depends on the knife
Warrenty: About the same
Company and service: I kina like Spyderco a bit more because it's a smaller company and the customer service seems a bit more upfront. Not that BM is bad or anything.


Get either, just get a knife you like. :)
 
Not sure I understand this, but you returned your Paramilitary as defective for having a burr on the edge of the blade? Sheesh, that could've been "fixed" with a couple of swipes with a rod or stone.
Spyderco makes great knives but they are production knives. If you want utter perfection you might want to got he custom route. Most custom makers will go over the blade with a fine tooth comb for imperfections to satisfy even the pickiest customer.
 
Both companies make excellent "user" knives, I own several from both manufacturers and they all have their pro's and con's pending the intended usage. The spydies were all sharper out of the box, but this means little to me as I sharpen all my knives as soon as I get them. How a knife looks is not important to me, how one performs at the desired task is the be all.
If you liked the Para, but weren't happy with the fit and finnish - buy another that you can inspect first hand.
 
I'll answer with: Both companies release knives with micro burrs on the blade somewhere. Not every knife mind you, but being production knives, it happens.
If you returned the para for a micro burr that only caught on paper towel, I doubt either company will make you happy as the para-mil is one of the top knives from either brand (premium steel, fancy lock, g10 handle).

You might just need to just go and get a sebenza, custom knife of some flavor or go out to a store and see if the knife will snag paper towel in person and buy it on site.

N2
 
Personally i'm a Benchmade man as I believe they make the better product on average (and i'm not a big fan of pinned rivots) However, I have to say spyderco does have some great values. I'm a big fan of the Spyderco "Native", 3 1/8" blade of S30V and an ambi-clip, all for only $60 is a great deal that I haven't seen any other companies beat yet. I guess if I was looking for a beater, something I could use, abuse, and maybe break and not be out a lot of money I would go spyderco, if I was looking for something I could use often and attach some sentimental value to it (maybe pass it down to my kid one day) then Benchmade would be it. Spyderco being kind of a pure work knife, while Benchmade kinda combines classic looks and function.
 
they are both good knives, right now the BM skirmish is one of my favs, but spyderco has a better selection imho right now. as far as the axis lock, it rocks, all BM;s should have it imho, but the compression is also good, as long as it has a strong detent, which not all do. i think right now today that spyderco wins by a SMALL margin due to a better selection of products, but between the 2 there isnt a loser imho.
 
Listen I returned the Knife becouse it was defective. Why should the end user be left with a knife that he/she has to work on. It shouldent happen. They could easily hire somebody to check for Burrs. I could do 30 knives in 5 minutes. Maybe even more. Its called quality control and whether it is factory or custon it still shouldent happen.

would you buy a Tv if the case of it had all little plastic peices coming off from where it was shaped and cut.?

would you buy a book with ruff pages on the outside instead of smooth?

a Tv that the CRT tube was not straight in it, would you open it and try to fix it?

you buy a DVD and the Print on the top is not centered and it looks like crap?

All of these are quality control issues which are and can be solved. I dont have these stones to sharpen my knife or to get a Burr off. Spydercos turn around time acording to others on this forum is 25-45 days. That is a little bit, to long to wait.

I mean I am a Business student at NYU Stern and we are tought in economic's quality should remain constant. and measures should be taken with quality control.

so no matter how cheap a product is or how expensive. Quality should be of the best, that that company can produce.

If there are Burrs then the knife is not perfect. as in spyderco has not done there job.

It is the communities fault for not stopping this. The reason companies like sony and almost every other company in all other industries have quality control is to prevent this. These companies do not have the time to deal with defects so they up there quality control. So they dopnt deal with it. if they lacked in the quality control then they would get alot of returns. Which coasts more money and time in the end. and also upset customers who have to wait.



I got the para, returned it now I am looking at benchmade and re-evaluating my options on what to buy next.
 
Your suggestion that Sony never puts out a unit with a tiny flaw is false. Sony does get returns, I assure you. Perhaps you haven't been taught this yet in your class.

Spyderco does employ quality control personnel, the extremely high level of their QC evinces this.

You received a single item with a single tiny imperfection and you now attempt to broadbrush an entire company's products. You have thus far demonstrated only unmitigated gall and ignorance-fueled audacity. It is my hope that this is simply a case of youth and that time, experience and maturity will prevail for you. If you remain at BFC, you will one day look back on these posts and cringe. That will be a good thing.

If it is your belief that you can purchase a Benchmade (or any brand, Chris Reeve included) with absolute assurance of perfection, then I invite you to do so. With luck you will find what you are seeking. Unfortunately, life will teach you that there are no absolute guarantees, and what will you do if the Benchmade you purchase has an uneven grind or less than hair-popping edge? -Smear them here, I suppose.

Conversely, if you get a good one you can come back and tell everyone that you are vindicated! Through your unbiased and scientific survey methods you will have proved, once and for all, that Benchmade is superior to Spyderco. The inevitable collapse of the facility in Golden will follow, of course. Perhaps Sal can apply for a sales position with Benchmade. -Whatever, he did it to himself by not hiring a young wiz-kid to inspect Para tips all day long. :yawn:
 
vinny77 said:
(...) I dont have these stones to sharpen my knife or to get a Burr off.

(...) I got the para, returned it now I am looking at benchmade and re-evaluating my options on what to buy next.
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Before you think about getting a new knife, get yourself a sharp maker, some crock sticks, or some benchstones, if you can spend hundreds on knives, you can spend $20-$90 on some sharpening tools. It's not hard to sharpen, it takes a little practice, buy a Ka-Bar Dozier 4065 to practice on, it's only $20 so if you ruin it (which you won't!) who cares. If you had the tools you wouldn't need to send your knife back and wait a month or so for a new one.
 
tortoise said:
Your suggestion that Sony never puts out a unit with a tiny flaw is false. Sony does get returns, I assure you. Perhaps you haven't been taught this yet in your class.

Spyderco does employ quality control personnel, the extremely high level of their QC evinces this.

You received a single item with a single tiny imperfection and you now attempt to broadbrush an entire company's products. You have thus far demonstrated only unmitigated gall and ignorance-fueled audacity. It is my hope that this is simply a case of youth and that time, experience and maturity will prevail for you. If you remain at BFC, you will one day look back on these posts and cringe. That will be a good thing.

If it is your belief that you can purchase a Benchmade (or any brand, Chris Reeve included) with absolute assurance of perfection, then I invite you to do so. With luck you will find what you are seeking. Unfortunately, life will teach you that there are no absolute guarantees, and what will you do if the Benchmade you purchase has an uneven grind or less than hair-popping edge? -Smear them here, I suppose.

Conversely, if you get a good one you can come back and tell everyone that you are vindicated! Through your unbiased and scientific survey methods you will have proved, once and for all, that Benchmade is superior to Spyderco. The inevitable collapse of the facility in Golden will follow, of course. Perhaps Sal can apply for a sales position with Benchmade. -Whatever, he did it to himself by not hiring a young wiz-kid to inspect Para tips all day long. :yawn:
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I never said that sony didnt have defective products. But a very minimal amount which they understand is unexceptable and they take care of it. The community and spyderco found this burr to be aceptable. Nor am I "broadbrushing" spyderco. I think they make awsome and fabulous knives. Just that the knife i got wasent of the quality I thoght i would get.

and you are telling me that 1 single tiny imperfection is acceptable. if it is then this is truly sad.

and I have no itention of saying who is bettert becosue that is and will be my opinion.
 
nelsonmc said:
Before you think about getting a new knife, get yourself a sharp maker, some crock sticks, or some benchstones, if you can spend hundreds on knives, you can spend $20-$90 on some sharpening tools. It's not hard to sharpen, it takes a little practice, buy a Ka-Bar Dozier 4065 to practice on, it's only $20 so if you ruin it (which you won't!) who cares. If you had the tools you wouldn't need to send your knife back and wait a month or so for a new one.
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or I could save thet $90 and get a near or perfect knife anmd not have to worry and then just send it in to be sharpened when it is needed.

why should I as a consumer have to have the tools to fix a product which I bought that was not even acceptable.

Think about what you are saying



Like I said before. if you Bought a TV and it came defective and the CRT tive was not aligned and staright. you are telling me that you would go out and buy the tools to fix it. or would you just drive back to best buy or any other reseller and get a replacement Tv. becouse that problem was a lack of quality control from the company. Why should this burden be put onto the consumer.
 
I have several Spydercos and several Benchmades and have been generally happy with all of them. My Benchmade 710HS came with a dull uneven edge, but I reprofiled it to 30 degrees and now it's a great cutter. Anyway, both make excellent knives.

Having seen your earlier threads, I think the biggest issue you are going to come up against is that both companies' knives are often less than absolutely perfect in one way or another. (I think my Manix is perfect, but it might have been a fluke!). Seriously, you're just as likely to find some small flaw that will bother you from either company. Aside from the Manix, I have found some trivial flaw in each of the 6 Spydercos I own, and each of the 4 Benchmades I own. Little things like the blade not being perfectly centered, something else not being aligned perfectly, very slight play in the lock, etc. But none of the flaws affect function. Given your standards, you might go through 10 Spydercos or Benchmades before you find one that's acceptable to you.

If you want perfection, save yourself the frustration and get a new Sebenza. Yes, it will cost you more than $300 to get a truly flawless new knife. :eek:

I also agree that you should get a sharpening system. The burr on the Paramilitary would have taken seconds to remove on a sharpener. You would waste a lot of time and postage sending your knife in to be sharpened. Even with super steels, knives need to be touched up more often than you think. In the long run it will save you money and enhance the performance of your knife because you won't be using it "almost dull" as it would be before you send it in, but maintaining a hair popping edge all of the time. A Spyderco Sharpmaker is less thasn $50 IIRC.

Good luck!
 
Vinny I hope you don't take this as offensive but I think you lack a certain amount of wisdom.

Very very few anythings will be "perfect", it's just the way of the world. For 90$ you expect a perfect knife, that's not going to happen.

"what knife is best?" is not a valid question to ask, unless you can accept the answer of "It depends."

In all the argueing over what's better and what's perfect, you have spent more time then it's worth you could have accepted the knife and lived with it or fixed it yourself.
 
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