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Spyderco's Bushcraft in 2009 Catalog

psy-ops said:
Well, I might as well continue this thread. I love Spyderco and they are one of the best production companies out there, if not THE best.

That all said, their fixed blades are....well...missing something. What ever it is that their folders have their fixed don't. If you look at them and take everything into consideration regarding price, design, and looks. The fixed blades fall behind their folders in all categories.

Critically looking at the Bush crafter one already sees some issues. They are using traditional materials at HIGH prices and it is made in Taiwan. They should stick to what brought them there. Innovation. When I heard they were branching out into the bushcraft market, I thought, Wow, VG10 with mod scales at a reasonable price. When I saw the blade along with the price I was disappointed. Why not buy a custom? This knife will be discontinued pretty quick no doubt.

Sal, Imagine an Aqua with a VG10, flat ground, 3/16th thick blade and orange zytel handle plus a kydex for around $100. Now that is something! I will always admire your boldness in trying new ideas out. You are a true innovator. :D
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yep, i agree with you to
 
zenheretic said:
psy-ops

Ya can't get more high tech than H1. :) Ironically, if they had made this model as you wished "VG10, flat ground, 3/16th thick blade and orange zytel handle plus a kydex" this thread would be negative about it not being in tool steel and natural woods instead taiwanese/price. ;)



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Zen, you might be right about the wanting traditional materials but in sales I bet the mod would sell more. I love the aqua but hollow ground and 1/8" is not what I want in a woods knife. Plus I am not sure about the tang and the false edge.
 
Oooooh I like it. ALOT.
I also dig that Jason Breeden C111 too...I mean, really dig it. I could come up with a lot of uses for that baby.

edit to add: Holy shit...200 to 300 bucks? I think I'll back away slowly....
 
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i love the fact that spyderco take so much time and look after their customers- here in the uk we have the ukpk developed with british blades and now this bushcraft knife developed with BCUK, the only problem i see in the bushcraft knife is that here in the uk you can get a custom made knife with exactly the same materials from a hobby maker for £100. With taxes and postage etc. The us prices tend to work out £to$ over here- and for £300 you can get an original woodlore from Alan Wood, or any number of customs from the UK or US.

spyderco is a company that i so want to support, but somehow lots of their designs just don't work for me
 
psy-ops said:
Zen, you might be right about the wanting traditional materials but in sales I bet the mod would sell more. I love the aqua but hollow ground and 1/8" is not what I want in a woods knife. Plus I am not sure about the tang and the false edge.
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Yeah I don't know which would sell better. My guess is Spyderco is just aiming at the tool steel users as a target market for the piece in question.

I also don't know how deep the tang goes into the handle, but I do know in past FRN knives Sal and Co. have stood behind their product. I'd imagine you would really have to nossify it to get it break in the handle. :eek: :D

What is your concern about the false edge?
 
zenheretic said:
Yeah I don't know which would sell better. My guess is Spyderco is just aiming at the tool steel users as a target market for the piece in question.

I also don't know how deep the tang goes into the handle, but I do know in past FRN knives Sal and Co. have stood behind their product. I'd imagine you would really have to nossify it to get it break in the handle. :eek: :D

What is your concern about the false edge?
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When batoning it really chews up the baton which is not a huge problem. I guess it is mostly aesthetically unappealing.

Don't get me wrong it is a great knife. I would just modify the design to make it fit into the criteria of what we call a bush craft knife. Kind of what the Endura and Delicas are to folders. Pure function:thumbup:

Before the Aqua came out I bought a used but very new Temperance :grumpy: That knife is a safe queen. It is so thinly ground that I am afraid to use it. That is why i would love an Aqua with a 3/16 thick blade but not so thinly ground.

Of course orange zytel would be a big hit. It seems like a no brainer design. Another knife that came close is the ABC Hammond by CRKT. But they marketed it to a mall ninja crowd. That knife design could also be easily modified to fit the functional bushcraft blade criteria at a workingman's cost.

Luckily, Fallkniven is doing exactly what I expect in production fixed blades.
They make a highly functional no BS knife with excellent materials at a decent price.
 
psy-ops said:
Don't get me wrong it is a great knife.
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I can't get you wrong as I'm getting information, not judging the informer. :)

Is it just batonning that you afraid to use the Temperance for or is there other craft skills as well?
 
My opinion; Lose the hole (obviously), lose the ricaso, lose the wood, lose the unnecessarily high fit-and-finish (i.e. it costs too much), lose the stupid-high price, give me a practical, purely functional knife.

As it stands it appears that your pandering to the wrong market; the collectors. Your folding knives seem like devices of function, this however looks more akin to a naive attempt to push ones way into the “Bushcraft” market without a clue as to what is actually practical.
 
I think you guys are looking at this incorrectly.

I have been doing a lot of research on bushcraft knives made in the U.K. You cannot find anything made in the UK of good quality for under 200 pounds.

This is a similar knife with (I am guessing) a similar sheath for a far less price.

If you look at a Koster, for instance. His knife costs about 200 dollars and does not have the finish the Spyderco is looking to have. If Dan took his edge down to a more mirror finish, I am sure his price would reflect that. Furthermore, Dan has none of the overhead and availability that Spyderco has - yet the knife is nearly a similar price. You cannot beat a Koster, in my opinion, but you have a tough time getting your hand on one. Spyderco would solve that problem for about the same price.

If the sheath is of JRE quality and the fit and finish is good - a price of about 180 dollars, I think, is about right. This would be a Bushcraft knife of good quality, made for the masses at a similar price than we are used to on this board.

I am not riding Spyderco's jock - I don't own a single Spyderco knife - but I think the opinion of, 'it costs too much' has been voiced loud and clear.

Let's let it come out, let the price settle, and see if they are quality blades.

TF
 
I expect that this will be a short lived model due to the small market and high price = low sales. Pick one up at a good price and hold onto it.
 
Ever Spyderco, I have owned, has been a heck of a good knife. I would expect this one to be the same. One thing, no one is making you buy it. Also, I think we have plenty thick blade knives. I would rather have a slicer, than a prybar.
 
I saw a thicker version at SHOT and it looked great!!
 
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