Spyfanman - Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity)? the Conclusion

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SPYfanman - Read more, post less. And learn to use the return key a little more often.

All you're doing now is adding fuel to the fire.

You'll probably want to stay off the exchange for a while too.
 
you would have saved a lot of time and your reputation had you just followed forum protocol and refunded dinokay his money when he was not satisfied with the knife. You didn't, but you could have still salvaged what was left of your reputation by refunding the money after it came out that the knife was cobbled together from parts of other knives and you knew that yet listed it as new....instead you posted a dictionary definition of "new" in an attempt to overrule the forum consensus of what actually constitutes "new."

Whether you were deceptive intentionally or not, your reputation is shot and your word means all of nothing on bladeforums. You were wrong from the moment you described that knife as "new" and everything after that was just you dismantling your reputation...your arrogant pseudo-intellectual posts do nothing to make you appear repentant, and your continued description of yourself as honest is just more nails in the coffin.

It amazes me that you actually thought that you were in the right from the start. You've been here for 18 months, have 167 posts (as of this typing) and most of them are in the for sale by individuals forums...in essence, you contribute nothing to this community and it appears that you only use it as a place to sell knives.

You come across as a scruple-less Ebay snake oil salesman in every post you have made on this subject. Your 200 plus positive feedback score on Ebay means absolute sh*t here...Even if you didn't know you did wrong (Personally I think you knew all along that you ripped dinokay off) when a dozen long time members in good standing on bladeforums tell you you did, chances are, you were wrong...You claim pride kept you from offering a refund ASAP? I don't think so. I don't think you had any intention of making this right until you realized you would never be able to sell another knife on any of the knife related forums again...

Every post you have made is self serving and an attempt to salvage the ability to sell knives on bladeforums. Hopefully dinokay posts your full name, address, email, paypal, and any other pertinent information to prevent you from ever doing business on any knife forum again.
 
I'm a long time lurker here, but as an overseas buyer of good standing on many international knife forums I don't understand why this blatant liar and fraudster is still allowed to post on BF?

There is no doubt he is a liar and a fraud, and that makes him a thief.

Surely BF still bans thieves?
 
The whole reason for this "continuation" thread was to make this wrong a right. To do the right thing and not leave Dino with a knife he A) doesn't want and B) sees no value in. Please tell me by bringing up the belief that I "lied" means people are insinuating that I intentionally decieve the buyer in the first place. I choose not to re-hash what was said in many, many previous posts on my part to give my reasons AT THE TIME for listing it the item as new as only to be seen NOW as in-defense. I will say again though now for the record, AT THE TIME, I whole-heartedly believed listing the item as I did was done so honestly. Please lets not re-debate this and re-post arguments on the other side as to why I was wrong in listing it as I did. Yes, now, looking back with help of all the posts which I listed above, I do get that. I will again and have acknowledged it in most recent past replies. The Pride part I was referring to was the part on mine of initially viewing Dino's actions towards me and wanting to hold on my stance despite later attemps by many members to point out I was in the wrong. My pride wanted to keep fighting it, wanting to insist I remain in the right and even when initially I believed whole-heartedly I was, the bottomline was not keeping with Forum Policies when the honest listing mistake was made real to me. I should have refunded him the money then REGARDLESS of how the buyer treats you just for the simple fact of "if both parties are not happy, then the deal is off". I apologize again, Dino for not doing so then. It is this change of heart that genuinely led me to want to make it right.

It is real easy to say words after condemning words. but I challenge anyone to call up Paypal themselves and ask them about about claims. Specifically ask them if you don't believe me. I could call them now and state the answer but not sure anyone would believe me. I challenge, put some action on your part and see for youself before you label someone a sociopath.

I think no further response in needed on my part until MULTIPLE people decide to do the only right thing on their part and make that call and HONESTLY state their findings. PROVE to everyone that those of you who doubt will stand behind it not only with words but with actions and fact based-evidence as well. I respect this forum and its members and is the ONLY reason I see it as important enough to take part on this issue.
 
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Interesting that someone clearly guilty of "Theft by Deception" (look it up and post the definition as you appear fond of doing) would have the word "Spy" as a descriptive term in their moniker.
As with any "thief" returning the property does not undue the theft act just the theft.
You are merely digging the hole you dug - deeper.
Reputations are ones for a lifetime and can be given away in a moment.
Yours is gone here, I just hope you will somehow be unmasked so unwary BF members can avoid becoming your next victim.
The knife community actually attempts to maintain an assemblance of what was once commonplace.
Integrity. (look that one up but no need to post, most are aware of its meaning)
 
Dude give it up I don't see dead people.

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Reputations are ones for a lifetime and can be given away in a moment.
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This is really good to pay attention to- very astute. And even more so today thanks to the Internet where your actions are readily avalable to everyone in a moments notice for perpetuity. Employers Google your name dude, it's beyond simple.
 
Brookhammer said:
I'm a long time lurker here, but as an overseas buyer of good standing on many international knife forums I don't understand why this blatant liar and fraudster is still allowed to post on BF?

There is no doubt he is a liar and a fraud, and that makes him a thief.

Surely BF still bans thieves?
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SPYfanman said:
The whole reason for this "continuation" thread was to make this wrong a right. To do the right thing and not leave Dino with a knife he A) doesn't want and B) sees no value in. Please tell me by bringing up the belief that I "lied" means people are insinuating that I intentionally decieve the buyer in the first place. I choose not to re-hash what was said in many, many previous posts on my part to give my reasons AT THE TIME for listing it the item as new as only to be seen NOW as in-defense. I will say again though now for the record, AT THE TIME, I whole-heartedly believed listing the item as I did was done so honestly. Please lets not re-debate this and re-post arguments on the other side as to why I was wrong in listing it as I did. Yes, now, looking back with help of all the posts which I listed above, I do get that. I will again and have acknowledged it in most recent past replies. The Pride part I was referring to was the part on mine of initially viewing Dino's actions towards me and wanting to hold on my stance despite later attemps by many members to point out I was in the wrong. My pride wanted to keep fighting it, wanting to insist I remain in the right and even when initially I believed whole-heartedly I was, the bottomline was not keeping with Forum Policies when the honest listing mistake was made real to me. I should have refunded him the money then REGARDLESS of how the buyer treats you just for the simple fact of "if both parties are not happy, then the deal is off". I apologize again, Dino for not doing so then. It is this change of heart that genuinely led me to want to make it right.

It is real easy to say words after condemning words. but I challenge anyone to call up Paypal themselves and ask them about about claims. Specifically ask them if you don't believe me. I could call them now and state the answer but not sure anyone would believe me. I challenge, put some action on your part and see for youself before you label someone a sociopath.

I think no further response in needed on my part until MULTIPLE people decide to do the only right thing on their part and make that call and HONESTLY state their findings. PROVE to everyone that those of you who doubt will stand behind it not only with words but with actions and fact based-evidence as well. I respect this forum and its members and is the ONLY reason I see it as important enough to take part on this issue.
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I will cheer outloud when they finally ban your lowlife from this place. You have my word on that, scumbag. :thumbup:
 
Brookhammer said:
I'm a long time lurker here, but as an overseas buyer of good standing on many international knife forums I don't understand why this blatant liar and fraudster is still allowed to post on BF?

There is no doubt he is a liar and a fraud, and that makes him a thief.

Surely BF still bans thieves?
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In due time, BF would like to see Dino get his money back first.


Leadfoot
 
Since many people here prefer to call each other names and throw out accusations without providing evidence and take one guy's word over another, I took it upon myself as I did in the creation of the continuation of the original thread designed to tarnish one man's reputation to take action and provide evidence on my part so that the truth be put in the light. Thus, the following statement is a copy of an e-mail letter just sent after completing a call to Paypal requesting proof of the decision on my part to do the right thing.



Subject: Regarding Case PP-001-634-866-309 (KMM47382002V3629L0KM) :ppk1
From: support@paypal.com (support@paypal.com)
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Bcc:
Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:06 PM



Dear Ryan Posey,





Thank you for contacting PayPal Customer Support.


Per your request you called in on 2/3/12 to request the closure Case PP-001-634-866-309 and the money be refunded back to the buyer with request that the item be returned.


Got more questions? You'll find answers at our improved Help Center. Click "Help" in the top right corner of any PayPal page to get started!

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Now, in light of this new information, I respectfully ask Mr. Kalaitzidis - did in fact you make that call and if not why did you say did? Or did you make that call and were you just misinformed? I am hoping the second question is the real case and you are not deeply embittered because of the way this turned out. If so, I sincerely apologize again and now that you know I took the steps to make it right, I hope you accept my apology for what it is and we can both move forward. Thanks
 
Dude, reading back over your posts (Why, I have no idea. I find the Human condition interesting) BF or selling knives should be the least of your concerns.

Read up on Borderline Personality Disorder and seek professional help. This is not meant to be derisive, it is intended to help all.

Nobody benefits from this at this point, other than ensuring a true and just conclusion really takes place.
 
rickc71 said:
Ok,so for my own entertainment(I'm a sick bastard and love a good fight)I've read everything connected to this thread tonight.The original sale post,the now closed dispute thread,this thread and even the ebay listing where SPY originally bought the Seb in question. I'll say this for this whole sorry mess,SPY your an ASSHAT and should have refunded Dino's $$ the minute he contacted you about not being happy with his purchase,for whatever reason he gave.I usually wouldn't wish such things on someone,but I hope paypal had to hit your bank account for the refund and it costs you no end in hassle and overdraft fees on top of the $575.You were wrong,you deserve it and it's probably the only way you'll learn your lesson.BTW as I write this I see you are online,on the forum and on this thread.I can only assume the MODS are waiting for Dino to get is full refund before banning you.
Dino,I'm glad you are getting your money back and I hope SPY refunds(or is forced to refund)to you every bit of your shipping costs as well,because $5 wouldn't cover the priority mail box,much less the delivery confirmation/tracking with signature requirement and extra insurance I would put on it,just to keep him from saying the knife wasn't returned and thereby further disputing a refund.
Nothing against Dino and everybody else who collects high end knives,but damn am I glad I don't have that problem.Getting this twisted out of shape and having to deal with this much BS over a "birthday card" or what scales or lugs or whatever are on a pocket knife seems like a mild form of insanity to me.Then again I never did understand the "knife as jewelry" mentality."Knife as art" I have an easier time understanding as a display of the makers craftsmanship,but I prefer the art on the face of a Gold Eagle or Krugerrand to what,when it's all said and done,is just a knife.But,like they say "different strokes" I guess.It's what makes the world interesting.
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Well said Sir.
Unfortunately for some snakebit knife lovers of the Mid-High end ilk, descriptive terms like "New, Unused, Original, UnCarried, UnSharpened, Original Packing, Loved not Groped, etc etc." means a great deal.
This "Passion" serves as fertile ground for opportunistic morally void "KnifeLovers-o-philes" like SPY.

Of Mr.SPY's 160 odd posts (many of which are in here) fully 120+ were simply transactional in nature. Clearly BF serves as nothing more than one of his Sales PlayGrounds.
This young man is doing nothing more than a hamhanded damage control dance in a feeble attempt to salvage an assemblance of an opportunity future here on BF.
His reputation is so unreviveable he could produce a 1/12 scale version of Jesus walking barefoot across a coffee cup and no one would stand in line to see the spectacle.
I have stopped at car wrecks.
To give aid.
To ensure help arrived.
I stayed to make sure the help did arrive.
The help here is the refund to Dino AND this $h!tBird getting BANNED.
 
This is what Mr Spyderco fan man said on 2/1:

"Well, to be honest, as much as everyone wishes to label me as a "swindler", I do like to do the right thing in any case. The answer to your questions depends on Mr. Kalandtis's conduct from here on out. By no means am I 100 percent perfect (far from it) but I do and have acknowledged my part in the whole situation whether people believe it was intentional or not. I, even if unawaringly, made those choices and now am having to live with the consequences (the constant piercing of the blade edges getting to be quite cumbersome and the blood dripping from them continuing to weaken my hope that their is a slight chance at redemption) and I accept that.

I suggest he re-read the second half of post #156 in regards to his conduct and take responsibility for HIS part of this transaction gone awry. It was always about principle and never about the money though looking back, not so overtly expressed. Why should the seller always be the one to take the blame for future transactions here on the exchange? CLEARLY seen on the bladeforums policies is a list of good conduct to maintain BOTH by the seller AND the buyer. Just because one member has seniority over another and large history of knife collecting doesn't make it right for him or her to treat the seller any which way he or she chooses and break numerous BF policies in the process. Mr. Kalandtis even states his own whole-hearted belief in putting full trust in members. Yet, when a member with a proven clean record proceedes to do business with him, he immediately abandons all that honor and trustworthiness. Just so happens I happen to be the one to receive it. When I call it out and specifically ask him about it, he avoids it and instead lists a general statement regarding "respect" on the forums and that he is trying to "help" me. What happened to that "respect" when he initially had concerns with the knife? If he was really trying to "help" me, wouldn't it of been more effective to have shown me that "respect" in the beginning and gave me some advice on how I could have done better next time? So for this and the fact that at the time I initially believed listing the item correctly and accurately, I leave it in the hands of a third-party, trusting their objective opinion vs. the subjective opinion of some/ most members here reading the thread (no offense intended). Afterall, by the buyers, words and actions this is where he preferred it to be."





Just got off the phone with paypal again and they informed me that they had decided in my favor and that the seller agreed to refund my money only after I ship back the item first. They also informed me that I was covered through their insurance to receive my money even if the seller didn't have the funds available. The Third Party (paypal) Made the Decision that I was going to get my money back, Mr. Spyderco only laid down the terms on how it was going to happen before they did. It's interesting on how he can go from the post above to the post below in 2 days. This guy is trying to get credit for something that was decided for him by the third party (paypal).






This is what Mr.Spyderco fan man posted on 2/3

I would like to offer you a sincere apology on behalf of myself for the part I played in resulting where this transaction went awry. I won't clutter up this thread with re-stating my mistakes but please know that I take responsibility for my part in the matter. I never had any intention, ever, when the listing was placed or afterwards to decieve, "swindle", "scam" or what-have-you by untintentionally listing or not listing something. Not to you personally or any other potential buyer. All this talk of honor on my part and yet I would postpone the initiation of displaying it until the next transaction? How then could it be true honor. It was true "pretzel logic". So with everything said, I would also like to set this right and do the right thing. Not for the sake of redemption from inofficial banishment on the Exchange nor for any chance to preserve a reputation. Reputation, shmaattion! The change of heart symbolically expressed in the intro above came from a true realization of being true to one's self. I couldn't be happy with my self if I didn't step up and do the right thing, regardless if I felt mistreated initially. I hope we both learned a little something for this in that we both had a hand in how it turned out (my argueably more than you). Nonetheless I already expressed my views about it in the previous post so my peace is said. Regardless, the more proper course of action honoring the Forum Policy Rules and in a sense, the blade community as a whole, would have been to offer a refund in the beginning when you first requested (ahweeem demanded' it. In all honesty, I can understand how you were just reacting possibly to what you believed was someone trying to "swindle" you. Maybe you have been swindled in the past as I have once.

By now you should be getting an e-mail saying funds are being deposited into your account (or something to that nature). Also some extra money was sent to cover the return shipping of the knife to me as well. I hope you accept my apology. I would like to apologize to those new or even longwithstanding members who viewed this thread and somehow as a result of it had any additional hint of doubt as to the security of buying and selling on Bladeforums. Is it the most safe and secure forum with the most trustworthy, honorable members? Not sure, but from my past good experiences, they have been nothing but positive. Best of Luck and I wish no ill' will.
 
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dinokay said:
Just got off the phone with paypal again and they informed me that they had decided in my favor and that the seller agreed to refund my money only after I ship back the item first.
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Can you imagine shipping the knife back to this wiener before getting your money? lol.

Like I said, after this boob gets banned, I'll cheer.
 
RWS said:
Can you imagine shipping the knife back to this wiener before getting your money? lol.

Like I said, after this boob gets banned, I'll cheer.
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Thanks for calling me a boob again btw.) Who am I to make fun of Paypal's policies? When I told them I wanted to settle this in favor of the buyer, they asked me if I wanted the item sent back to me. My answer was yes. If you particularly don't like how they have their policies you might want to take it up with them. Secondly, I would suggest taking a look at the most commonly used model practiced by online retailers when handling returns: Consumer purchases an item and sends money. Consumer doesn't receive item until he or she first sends payment. Consumer turns around and wants a refund, consumer must ship item back FIRST before retailer issues a return. So now Paypal is being critiziced for adopting a rather wide-practising standard MOO.
 
I hope Dino photo documents the condition of the knife and post the pictures here so Spy can't say he sent a different or damaged CRK.

In fact video it being boxed up at the post office and being handed to the clerk, because nothing else will keep Spy from playing more child games.


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