Spyfanman - Where is the birthday card (certificate of Authenticity)? the Conclusion

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What amazes me most is that people hold to their speculations and opinions rather than embracing the evidence. Let's state the facts, that is of course for those who are interested in them still in this day and age:


1) Seller lists the item to the best of his ability and believes it is an honest listing

2) Buyer comes along and purchases the knife from him even sending a pm saying "Have you shipped that beautiful knife yet?"

3) Buyer sends money and he receives the knife

4) Buyer then expresses his disinterest with the knife and proceeds to head directly to Paypal to start a dispute before having given seller a chance to respond.

5) Seller responds and buyer disrespects him, trashing his sales thread with comments that were originally pm's whereby violating two Bladeforum's policies

6) By this time now both parties are upset. Buyer escalates to claim and Seller and accepts taking it there

7) Buyer starts Feedback thread designed to label the otherwise Perfect-record Seller a "swindler!"

8) Seller defends his reasons for believing his listing was created honestly and the vast majority disagree and some attack him for it

9) Finally, Seller makes a 180, after reading and pondering the different opinions and thoughtful posts of others and realizes he is in the wrong.

10) Seller decides the right thing to do is make it right by the buyer and also honoring the forum as a whole in the process. He is willing to put away his past feelings toward the buyer and start afresh, anew.

11) Seller then writes an apology and calls Paypal to drop his side of the claim and plead with the buyer. This is his first claim afterall and doesn't even think about the possibility he might have to prove he made the call.

12) Seller posts apology JUST after hanging up with Paypal on the phone and after sending the buyer a little extra via gift (not required btw in Paypal's refund process). He does this extra bit in keeping with a good idea from member's previous posts.

13) Everything is good and right now until Bam!...Buyer turns around ensinuating that the seller bluffed his apology and only decided to post it to claim credit for something he never did. Also cites that in fact he never made that call.

14) Seller is stunned, shocked, to say the least.

15) Again, seller sets out to defend his case, the case for the fact that indeed the call WAS made, the apology WAS sincere and all of this brought about by a genuine change of heart, a genuine hard look at the reality of the situation and the desire to make a wrong, a right.

16) The seller then actually calls back Paypal and has the kind lady (Cecilia) write him a letter so he can have "proof" that he in fact did make the call to set things right and do the right thing buy the buyer. This then confirms his apology was sincere in the first place, disproving the claim that this seller is indeed a "sociopath" and a "swindler"


Mr. Kaladztis, I say to you directly that you are lying when you say it was not I who initiated that call to set a change of events in motion last afternoon based on a sincere desire to do right. I say this because you were either not smart enough to call back the lady whom I mentioned sent my the letter of proof (Cecilia) or in fact didn't make that call. I would ask you, where is the proof you made that call? So, then all these members reading this thread and they still decide to believe the guy who doesn't show the evidence? Heck, they don't even have to. If they want to be certain they have the right position on the matter, all they have to do is call the lovely Cecilia, state the claim number, and find out themselves. That is, of course, only if they choose to base their beliefs on facts vs. speculation.

Mr. Kalandztis, I really have no harsh feelings toward you and I am sure you are probably a great guy. I really do feel bad how this all turned out and I know I did have a part in that. I apologize for that and really hope you accept my sincerity. I am not sure what else I can do to remedy this on my part as I did everything the other members suggested. I admitted responsibility and then took action to set it right. I really would like to move on from this whole thing but more importantly, I hope you can as well. I hope your future transactions go much, much better than this one has. No hard feelings, ok?
 
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Do you mind sending me said claim number? I'd be happy to confirm the facts here.

What amazes me most is that people hold to their speculations and opinions rather than embracing the evidence. Let's state the facts, that is of course for those who are interested in them still in this day and age:


1) Seller lists the item to the best of his ability and believes it is an honest listing

2) Buyer comes along and purchases the knife from him even sending a pm saying "Have you shipped that beautiful knife yet?"

3) Buyer sends money and he receives the knife

4) Buyer then expresses his disinterest with the knife and proceeds to head directly to Paypal to start a dispute before having given seller a chance to respond.

5) Seller responds and buyer disrespects him, trashing his sales thread with comments that were originally pm's whereby violating two Bladeforum's policies

6) By this time now both parties are upset. Buyer escalates to claim and Seller and accepts taking it there

7) Buyer starts Feedback thread designed to label the otherwise Perfect-record Seller a "swindler!"

8) Seller defends his reasons for believing his listing was created honestly and the vast majority disagree and some attack him for it

9) Finally, Seller makes a 180, after reading and pondering the different opinions and thoughtful posts of others and realizes he is in the wrong.

10) Seller decides the right thing to do is make it right by the buyer and also honoring the forum as a whole in the process. He is willing to put away his past feelings toward the buyer and start afresh, anew.

11) Seller then writes an apology and calls Paypal to drop his side of the claim and plead with the buyer. This is his first claim afterall and doesn't even think about the possibility he might have to prove he made the call.

12) Seller posts apology JUST after hanging up with Paypal on the phone and after sending the buyer a little extra via gift (not required btw in Paypal's refund process). He does this extra bit in keeping with a good idea from member's previous posts.

13) Everything is good and right now until Bam!...Buyer turns around ensinuating that the seller bluffed his apology and only decided to post it to claim credit for something he never did. Also cites that in fact he never made that call.

14) Seller is stunned, shocked, to say the least.

15) Again, seller sets out to defend his case, the case for the fact that indeed the call WAS made, the apology WAS sincere and all of this brought about by a genuine change of heart, a genuine hard look at the reality of the situation and the desire to make a wrong, a right.

16) The seller then actually calls back Paypal and has the kind lady (Cecilia) write him a letter so he can have "proof" that he in fact did make the call to set things right and do the right thing buy the buyer. This then confirms his apology was sincere in the first place, disproving the claim that this seller is indeed a "sociopath" and a "swindler"


Mr. Kaladztis, I say to you directly that you are lying when you say it was not I who initiated that call to set a change of events in motion last afternoon based on a sincere desire to do right. I say this because you were either not smart enough to call back the lady whom I mentioned sent my the letter of proof (Cecilia) or in fact didn't make that call. I would ask you, where is the proof you made that call? So, then all these members reading this thread and they still decide to believe the guy who doesn't show the evidence? Heck, they don't even have to. If they want to be certain they have the right position on the matter, all they have to do is call the lovely Cecilia, state the claim number, and find out themselves. That is, of course, only if they choose to base their beliefs on facts vs. speculation.

Mr. Kalandztis, I really have no harsh feelings toward you and I am sure you are probably a great guy. I really do feel bad how this all turned out and I know I did have a part in that. I apologize for that and really hope you accept my sincerity. I am not sure what else I can do to remedy this on my part as I did everything the other members suggested. I admitted responsibility and then took action to set it right. I really would like to move on from this whole thing but more importantly, I hope you can as well. I hope your future transactions go much, much better than this one has. No hard feelings, ok?
 
Solution would be a disinterested third party "clearing house". Knife gets mailed there and verified. Funds transferred and verified. Once All is received, then the knife is returned and the funds released.
Sounds like a nice entrepreneurial endeavor for someone. "The Trusty Dusty Arbitration Canteen and Barber Shop". (Not you SPYman).
 
Solution would be a disinterested third party "clearing house". Knife gets mailed there and verified. Funds transferred and verified. Once All is received, then the knife is returned and the funds released.
Sounds like a nice entrepreneurial endeavor for someone. "The Trusty Dusty Arbitration Canteen and Barber Shop". (Not you SPYman).

I was actually mulling over the same thing. Though I am not sure what folks would pay for the service?
 
I was actually mulling over the same thing. Though I am not sure what folks would pay for the service?

Graduated scale but with options for additional add on services like certification and re-shipping.
Great way for someone like SPYman to rehab a reputation ALL transactions certified by trusty dusty.
In this situation I would say Dinos greatest assurance is how hard this guy is trying to rehab himself in the eyes of the forum. I don't see him taking it out and tromping on it again.
As for me, I got involved in one of these about 6-8 months ago. I followed the guy to every Forum there was until he went out of business. Lotta work but it was worth it.
 
Graduated scale but with options for additional add on services like certification and re-shipping.
Great way for someone like SPYman to rehab a reputation ALL transactions certified by trusty dusty.
In this situation I would say Dinos greatest assurance is how hard this guy is trying to rehab himself in the eyes of the forum. I don't see him taking it out and tromping on it again.
As for me, I got involved in one of these about 6-8 months ago. I followed the guy to every Forum there was until he went out of business. Lotta work but it was worth it.

Hahah!! Do tell!
 
8) Seller defends his reasons for believing his listing was created honestly and the vast majority disagree and some attack him for it

For the record, it was not the "vast majority" that disagreed with you, EVERYBODY did, every single person that commented said you were in the wrong. Your version of reality is bizarre.
 
I hope Dino photo documents the condition of the knife and post the pictures here so Spy can't say he sent a different or damaged CRK.

In fact video it being boxed up at the post office and being handed to the clerk, because nothing else will keep Spy from playing more child games.


Leadfoot

You know what's coming. When this idiot gets his Frankenbenza back, he'll be making all kinds of claims. I wouldn't expect anything less from a complete and total sociopath.
 
You know what's coming. When this idiot gets his Frankenbenza back, he'll be making all kinds of claims. I wouldn't expect anything less from a complete and total sociopath.

Haha I was thinking the EXACT same thing. This is why I asked for the PP info to verify that he volunteered the PP payment. Also, I don't think his "claims" are worth anything (on the forum atleast.)
 
Do you mind sending me said claim number? I'd be happy to confirm the facts here.

I think he gave the case number in post #71 if that is what you are looking for:

Since many people here prefer to call each other names and throw out accusations without providing evidence and take one guy's word over another, I took it upon myself as I did in the creation of the continuation of the original thread designed to tarnish one man's reputation to take action and provide evidence on my part so that the truth be put in the light. Thus, the following statement is a copy of an e-mail letter just sent after completing a call to Paypal requesting proof of the decision on my part to do the right thing.



Subject: Regarding Case PP-001-634-866-309 (KMM47382002V3629L0KM) :ppk1
From: support@paypal.com (support@paypal.com)
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:06 PM



Dear Ryan Posey,





Thank you for contacting PayPal Customer Support.


Per your request you called in on 2/3/12 to request the closure Case PP-001-634-866-309 and the money be refunded back to the buyer with request that the item be returned.


Got more questions? You'll find answers at our improved Help Center. Click "Help" in the top right corner of any PayPal page to get started!

Add your mobile number to your PayPal account so we can reach you right away if we ever need to verify account activity with you. Simply log in to your PayPal account, click "Profile" near the top of the page and then click "Update" beside "Phone."


You can also make and receive payments with your mobile phone when you add it to your PayPal account. After you confirm your number and create a PIN, you'll be able to get money, send money, check your balance, or manage your account from your phone using simple text messages.



Sincerely,

Cecilia
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



Now, in light of this new information, I respectfully ask Mr. Kalaitzidis - did in fact you make that call and if not why did you say did? Or did you make that call and were you just misinformed? I am hoping the second question is the real case and you are not deeply embittered because of the way this turned out. If so, I sincerely apologize again and now that you know I took the steps to make it right, I hope you accept my apology for what it is and we can both move forward. Thanks
 
Hahah!! Do tell!

Proud to say he (a knife maker) got BANNED here and now when you Google his name you see posts "has anyone heard from Jim his site is down and he isn't on any Forum" he was a crook (too) and with organized effort he was run out on rails. Tried to screw over a BF member and got "Corrected".
BooYah!
 
I think he gave the case number in post #71 if that is what you are looking for:

So I spoke to PP. They won't discuss another users case with me (correctly I might add) but they did say that the buyer (Dino) would have received an email stating "The buyer has decided to resolve this in your favor" (or something to that effect) if Spy had in fact dropped his opposition to the claim. Now, its purely a function of what emails Dino/SPY received as there is no way to confirm without actually getting into their accounts.
 
Well, Dinos last post was "Done with this....." He certainly has a tough decision to make. I would be leary of boxing up a $575.00 FrankenBenza and sending it back (Now out the $$ AND the Knife) and "Hope" the SPY does the right thing.
Past performance is a pretty good indicator of Future performance.
PP backs the Funds issue if NSF etc., but don't know how they handle games like "The box was empty when I got it".
Tough situation. Trust is a fragile thing.
I still advocate a Private third party maybe provided via PM real names/address/phone number/etc. Just to ensure nobody disappears.
 
Spy, I feel for you and the position you got yourself into. In the past, I have dealt with people that like you try to use logic ( flawed or not) to justify their stance. At this point, (actually many many posts ago) your logic and hardheadedness has evoked an extremely emotional response from the group. Your logic proved unsound. Your emotional appeals have now met with the negative emotions your stubbornness evoked. You are now going back to trying logic again but your logic has already been proven false.

I understand the need to try and salvage your reputation (anyone would) but at this point I don't think you can do it in regard to this transaction. You may want to get the knife back, put it the way it came and send it to Dino free of charge. You may want to offer up a knife for auction with proceeds going to the forum. There are ways you may still salvage your reputation but at this point it will cost you. You can not argue or appeal your way out of it. Actions will speak much louder than words! Good luck.
 
Well, Dinos last post was "Done with this....." He certainly has a tough decision to make. I would be leary of boxing up a $575.00 FrankenBenza and sending it back (Now out the $$ AND the Knife) and "Hope" the SPY does the right thing.
Past performance is a pretty good indicator of Future performance.
PP backs the Funds issue if NSF etc., but don't know how they handle games like "The box was empty when I got it".
Tough situation. Trust is a fragile thing.
I still advocate a Private third party maybe provided via PM real names/address/phone number/etc. Just to ensure nobody disappears.

I'd volunteer but I am not sure I want to go thru the risk of this guy deciding to defame me next.
 
You know what's coming. When this idiot gets his Frankenbenza back, he'll be making all kinds of claims. I wouldn't expect anything less from a complete and total sociopath.

"Frankenbenza"? brilliant. im gonna have to use this one. :cool:
 
Spy as a free service Spark, the owner of Blade Forums, provides a free service when a member want's to change their nick name.

As a favor to the rest of us, could you change your handle to Spin Doctor?



Leadfoot
 
Then I think it would be best if SPY took it upon himself to close his account here and exit quietly,stage left,to seek fortune and friendship elsewhere.My only fear is that SPY,like some before him(ARMYOFDRONES/IMGOINGPREPARED/PONDERING PANTHER comes to mind.Who it seems,just keeps coming back.Always with bad intent.Yes,I do my homework in the G,B & U),after burning a good citizen and getting banned,changes names,emails,etc. and comes back to perpetrate more fraud.

Did AOD get caught with yet another name?
 
Since many people here prefer to call each other names and throw out accusations without providing evidence and take one guy's word over another, I took it upon myself as I did in the creation of the continuation of the original thread designed to tarnish one man's reputation to take action and provide evidence on my part so that the truth be put in the light. Thus, the following statement is a copy of an e-mail letter just sent after completing a call to Paypal requesting proof of the decision on my part to do the right thing.



Subject: Regarding Case PP-001-634-866-309 (KMM47382002V3629L0KM) :ppk1
From: support@paypal.com (support@paypal.com)
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012 5:06 PM



Dear Ryan Posey,





Thank you for contacting PayPal Customer Support.


Per your request you called in on 2/3/12 to request the closure Case PP-001-634-866-309 and the money be refunded back to the buyer with request that the item be returned.


Got more questions? You'll find answers at our improved Help Center. Click "Help" in the top right corner of any PayPal page to get started!

Add your mobile number to your PayPal account so we can reach you right away if we ever need to verify account activity with you. Simply log in to your PayPal account, click "Profile" near the top of the page and then click "Update" beside "Phone."


You can also make and receive payments with your mobile phone when you add it to your PayPal account. After you confirm your number and create a PIN, you'll be able to get money, send money, check your balance, or manage your account from your phone using simple text messages.



Sincerely,

Cecilia
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



Now, in light of this new information, I respectfully ask Mr. Kalaitzidis - did in fact you make that call and if not why did you say did? Or did you make that call and were you just misinformed? I am hoping the second question is the real case and you are not deeply embittered because of the way this turned out. If so, I sincerely apologize again and now that you know I took the steps to make it right, I hope you accept my apology for what it is and we can both move forward. Thanks

The first sentence really threw up a red flag for me... The wording, and lack of punctuation really doesn't appear to be written by someone who does it every day for a living.

It has characteristics of your earlier postings. Maybe I'm wrong, but I tend to go with my gut instinct
 
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