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Doogoon

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Is it just me, or does it feel like no matter how tough the folding knife is, it feels like it will close on you if you stab something hard with it? Ever since I stabbed an old Schrade lockback into a piece of plywood that closed on me (lucky for me it didn't catch my fingers and only closed to 90 degrees) I've felt like every knife I stab will close on me. I've even stabbed with the Recon 1 tanto by cold steel and I still felt like it would fold. I stabbed my Benchmade Adamas and I felt like I was going to have it close on me.

Am I just paranoid? Or should I be concerned about the knife closing even with these two models?
 
Shrade Lockback is by no means a good average. Try a liner lock or compression lock with thick gloves. Start light with the stabbing and gradually stab harder.

Is a fixed blade out of the question?

If you really have a need to stab often you should have no issue explaining to others why you carry a fixed blade. If its for self-defense, conceal it.
 
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Call me crazy but I don't care how strong a lock is purported to be; I treat every folding knife as if it could close on me.

Folders = cutting.

Fixed blades, ice picks, screwdrivers, prison shanks, etc. = if you want to get stabby.

But hey, that's just me.;)
 
Why not a good sized neck knife?A folder in my eyes is more or less a toy because the only advantage it has over a fixed blade is size when its closed and concealability,i personally stopped carrying folders and switched to neck/belt fixed blades.
 
If they are functioning properly and you don't grab them in some way that could release the lock, then you'll be ok. Can do reverse grip edge-in if really worried about it.
 
Most of the posters don't understand the OP. I'm simply asking for the stabbing ability of these knives, I'm not shopping, nor do I intend to need to defend myself. I already have plenty of fixed blades including neck knives and I'm opening up my world to folders.

I know there aren't very many stabbing applications aside from self defence, but I wanna know that I can stab through something if I need to without hurting myself. I wanna know if the blade will break before the lock disengages type thing.
 
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I never felt insecure stabbing a flipper through something. If the lock disengages, the flipper tang will stop the blade from closing on your fingers. You'll probably get pinched, but I'll take a pinch over a cut. Then again, I also don't have cheap knives. I may not always agree with the saying that you get what you pay for, but I do have more confidence in a quality knife over some cheap budget piece.
 
Ramil839 said:
A folder in my eyes is more or less a toy because the only advantage it has over a fixed blade is size when its closed and concealability,i personally stopped carrying folders and switched to neck/belt fixed blades.
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A toy ? Are you serious ?
 
OP
I can assure you, a cold steel folder for example will not close on you.
You may brake the blade but the lock won't fail.
 
djjonny said:
OP
I can assure you, a cold steel folder for example will not close on you.
You may brake the blade but the lock won't fail.
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Are you willing to bet your fingers on that? Anything mechanical can fail - you just can't possibly guarantee with 100% certainty that it won't.
 
Folders are not made for stabbing-full stop, whether its a lockback or not, a folder is not designed in any way whatsoever to be used in a stabbing motion, if you cut yourself while doing this, then hey...what honestly do you( or did you_) expect to happen?
Folders= open and slice or whittle whatever but not stabbing
 
I'm Not Surprised It Failed On You. :rolleyes:
If You're Stabbing Something That You Would For Regular EDC Used - Ex.: Clothing, Cloth, Boxes, Paper, Packaging, Etc, The Knife Isn't Going To Fail On You Because It's Made To Be Used.
If You're Stabbing Wood ... Well That Counts As Abuse And The Knife Is NOT Made To Withstand Ignorant Abuse.

A Knife Is A Tool Made For Our Uses, Whatever That May Be.
It Is NOT Made For Us To Misuse And Abuse, Which Is What You're Doing.

Knives Can Be Used For Almost Anything, But If You're Trying To Stab Hard Things, And Pry Things Open, And Obviously Do Things The Knife Wasn't Meant For It Is Very Likely To Fail On You.

All That Being Said, There Are Some Very Strong Locks Out There, And They May Not Fail With The First Stab, But I Wouldn't Expect The Knife To Last Through A Large Series Of Abusive Usage.

If We Use Knives Like They're Supposed To Be Used, We Don't Really Have To Worry So Much About Them Failing And Us Getting Hurt.
 
Doogoon said:
Is it just me, or does it feel like no matter how tough the folding knife is, it feels like it will close on you if you stab something hard with it?
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I wouldn't know. I don't use a knife to stab things.
 
Yeah... Even "Tough" Folders Are Made For Use Not Abuse. They Just Simply Are Not Made For Stabbing Hard Objects For No Apparent Reason. I Have Tough Knives I Use For EVERYTHING, Literally Everything, And From Day To Day Find No Reason To Be Stabbing Plywood. That Classifies As Abuse In My Mind.

If You Stabbed A Hard Piece Of Plywood, And Your Lock Failed, The Knife Broke, Etc, Then You Called Cold Steel Or Whatever Knife Company, Telling Them That You Need Your Knife Fixed Under Warranty Because You Stabbed Your Knife Into Hard Things Like Wood.
They Would Simply Tell You That They Warrant Broken And Defective Knives, Even After A Lot Of Day To Day Usage, But They Do Not Warrant Abuse. And Then You're Stuck With Your Broken Knife Because YOU Caused The Defects And Breakage Without A Doubt In The Company's Mind Because You Were Abusing The Knife, Not Using It.

Anyways.. Good Luck With Your Future Knife Breaking Experiences.
 
JAB said:
Are you willing to bet your fingers on that? Anything mechanical can fail - you just can't possibly guarantee with 100% certainty that it won't.
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ok I partially take back my statement.
I 'll never stab it into wood or anything like that but maybe in SD if the need and neccesity arises

I've never abused my folders but did see a friend try to split a piece of wood by stabbing. Tip broke but lock stayed solid.
 
I've seen some strong guys stab folders into wood as hard as they can and everything was fine. This lightweight Spyderco, was stabbed into a hard chestnut tree full force, by a guy weighing well over 200 and nothing gave.

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Doogoon said:
Or should I be concerned about the knife closing even with these two models?
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Short answer....yes.

Long answer....it doesn't matter a lick what anybody here or anywhere else says about lock strength. If you hesitate to stab hard things with a folder (I have no idea why you would want to do that), if your stabbing gives you pause....then you should put down the folder and get a fixed blade.

I don't care how many vids of fat guys jumping on knives there are, or how many oil drums are stabbed or spines are whacked, there are times when what I'm doing with a folder makes me think "Maybe, just maybe, I should use a fixed blade here." And then I do.
 
I sometimes think that the beauty of knives is in appreciating what they are; for example, lets look at hand tools. Say you go to the flea market and you buy a screwdriver for .35c and you over tighten the screw to where the screwdriver's handle strips the shaft and the screwdriver is broken. Would you think that screwdrivers suck? I think its cool that you experiment, but I would take some safety precautions like wearing gloves and safety glasses. If you're totally into stabbing some people recommend a hockey mask (jk).
 
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