Stabbing.

I've stabbed ice, the kind you get at the gas station. It was for nothing other that "for the hell of it". Yup, stabbed and broke off wee bit of tip. Dumb move.
 
Slowstarter said:
Please, do you have to start EVERY word with a capital? It´s hard and annoying to read. You have lot´s of good things to say, so why make it so hard for us to take it in? Please?
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welL aT leasT itS betteR thaN endinG everY worD witH a capitaL letteR. :)


I think the main design flaw with folders that arises during really hard use is that they seem to fold in the middle.

As the Dos Equis Most Interesting Man says "I don't usually stab things, but when I do I prefer fixed blades"

I stabbed a pickled egg today to get it out of the jar but I used a fork as they seem to float away if I use a knife.
 
Slowstarter said:
Please, do you have to start EVERY word with a capital? It´s hard and annoying to read. You have lot´s of good things to say, so why make it so hard for us to take it in? Please?
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That's funny. I made basically the same contention against BladeChick on a different thread today. It is unnecessarily distracting. I wonder if there's a good reason for it...
 
I stab wood and beer cans with my folders all the time. However I only carry ZT and CS lockers.
 
Fact remains, people have been using folders to stab for years.

Do your research into okapi knives and Knife crimes in south africa for example.
They are dirt cheap lockback knives and used in almost 90% of all stabbing related murders

After that if you still not convinced visit Cape Town, South Afr.
Go to the Cape flats and start trouble with the gangs.

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You think you smart with a wave blade for example.
These guys pull out their okapi's (or any cheap stainless steel folder), flick it open and stab even quicker than the average knifer using an assisted opener or wave
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After that, If you still alive then come back and say folders suck for stabbing

Fixed blades are more reliable and stronger in this regard but are not always possible to carry due to laws .... etc
 
a balisong at least is likely never to close on you during a stab. the greater risk is one's hand slipping into the blade. but then you also have that problem with any knife that's poorly designed. this breaks one or two rules in these fora but if you have to stab hard with a folder and you're afraid of either closure or slippage, try this:

grip the knife for an edge-up hold. to grip, wrap your fingers around the middle of the handle and hold the knife deeply in your hand like you're making a fist. go on, try it as you read this. the tip would be pointing 90 degrees from your arm. now flex your wrist down to make the tip point parallel to your arm and freeze it there. feels strong, doesn't it?

in stabbing you do it in short inward arcs and the bearing part of the blade to the target is not really the tip but more on the up-sweep of the edge near the tip (remember, you're holdign it edge-up.) so you're basically stabbing with the edge. now this method of stabbing is good for two reasons: 1) it minimizes the risk of slipping since it's not a linear stab, and 2) if ever the pivot/lock fails, the blade will break away from your fingers and not close on them.

just how i was taught to hold a balisong. :)
 
frenchmade said:
That's funny. I made basically the same contention against BladeChick on a different thread today. It is unnecessarily distracting. I wonder if there's a good reason for it...
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She claims to have the habit of hitting the shift key, with her little finger on every new word. (and she can't break it) Since the moderators seem have no problem with her doing it, (I guess it breaks no rule) all I'd suggest is either putting her on ignore, or dealing with it. Many here have voiced their concerns over it and she's not going to stop, just because some find it distracting.
 
djjonny said:
Fact remains, people have been using folders to stab for years.
They are dirt cheap lockback knives and used in almost 90% of all stabbing related murders
If you still alive then come back and say folders suck for stabbing
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Your logic is flawless. I contend that since folders are capable of folding if one often thrusts into hard materials a fixed blade is superior and the better choice. All mechanical means can fail at some. Note: since I use my knives as tools to cut things and almost never to stab things I like to carry folders and even have 2 non-locking folders that I feel safe with. But back on point you contend that since the popular choice for criminals to use in 90% of stabbings that result in the death of the victim is a cheap lockback that cogito ergo sum the cheap lockblade is superior to the fixed blade for a forwad thrust into hard materials. I stand corrected by your superior articulate discussion of the issue and honestly have no response to your point.

Indeed it is such a good argument that in my own hobby of practical pistol shooting I am going to replace my firearms. I use very nice expensive firearms that fit me well and have extensive custom modifications and with which I shoot very well. But I notice that their rate of use in gun crimes by habitual criminals that result in the death of the victim is almost non-existant. I am going today to the gun shop to trade them in on the cheapest saturday night specials that I can find as I researched the use of these guns on the internet and found most criminal use involves them and not my high end target pistols. Since the criminals particularly those whose crimes result in fatalities make the best choices (In your system of logical reason) and I want to own the best thats what clearly (by your logic) I should do.
 
Fat Goat Forge said:
But back on point you contend that since the popular choice for criminals to use in 90% of stabbings that result in the death of the victim is a cheap lockback that cogito ergo sum the cheap lockblade is superior to the fixed blade for a forwad thrust into hard materials..
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I never said it was or ever believed that.
I did say at the end fix blades are better

djjonny said:
Fixed blades are more reliable and stronger in this regard but are not always possible to carry due to laws .... etc
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In any case where did I mention using a folder being good to stab into hard materials?
If I "had to" stab into plywood I would use a fixed blade

Point was people have used folders to stab without failure and injury by their knife failing both to protect and SD and for criminal purpose
(Lion stabbed example mentioned)
 
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Most of the people inclined to go about stabbing people to death, aren't the type to possess superior cutlery.
 
Campbellclanman said:
Folders are not made for stabbing-full stop
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Aren´t they? What about those Stiletto - type folders, aren´t they too? I don´t think so. Some folders are made for it. Some may be capable to do it. Some folders aren´t made or not capable for it. It seems a bit over sophisticated to say, just because a folder can colapse by stabbing, folders aren´t made for this. I guess, there are some ppl. stabbed by folders, who would have their own opinion about what foldrs are made for or what folders are capable to be used for.:) and some of them can´t tell you anymore.

Stabbing ist stress, of course. There are factors, that minimise that stress. The knife on one side, the stabbed media on the other. I depends, on what you are stabbing and the force you use.

How is the tip made? Is it a thick, tactical - type tip? You will hardly get it into a wooden board compared to a fine tip. That knife will hardly be made for stabbing.

Are you pounding the knife full force into trees, many times? Well, ok, i would choose a fixed blade aswell, just for the wear this may cause on the lock.

My badest folder is a Gerber AR 3.25 with a liner lock, that colapses any time a tap the spine with light force. But i just tried to stabb it into a wood plate, so it sticks 3mm in the wood and it does it two times with no problem.
 
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Of course you can stab with a folder -- that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not you can fully trust a folder with not closing at all during a stab and in this regard a fixed blade is always going to be more reliable.
Having said that, of course you can stab with a folder -- just stab away... but, there is always going to be the chance of it folding onto your fingers and making little sausage-snippets of them.
Is it worth it? Well, in a SD situation -- of course! I'd rather lose a hand than my life -- or at least get the f%#er in the process and go out like a man.
 
I also have an Adamas and it feels as solid as a fixed blade. I think it's more of paranoia at this point, and I don't blame you. I'm also a bit reluctant at stabbing but my fear comes from having my hand slip up the knife and cutting my fingers on the blade when I stab. This happened to me once (luckily the cut wasn't that deep) so I've been a bit reserved ever since and I make sure I have a REALLY SUPER FIRM grasp whenever I go to stab something.

But an easy fix would be just getting a fixed blade. There are plenty of small-medium fixed blades out there that could be EDC'd pretty easily. I EDC my F1 all the time.
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