Stabbing.

JAB said:
Call me crazy but I don't care how strong a lock is purported to be; I treat every folding knife as if it could close on me.

Folders = cutting.

Fixed blades, ice picks, screwdrivers, prison shanks, etc. = if you want to get stabby.

But hey, that's just me.;)
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That is just crazy talk, but I have to agree 100%
 
Thanks for the answers! I only ask because the schrade actually closed pretty easily. I actually have never stabbed my knives hard enough to really give the knife a beating- I don't know if you noticed, but I'm afraid of them closing on me. I only stabbed them to take pictures.

An inspiring story to the question is that one user was on a roof without a harness and had to stab what I think was his griptilian into the roof to keep from falling. I've also heard a story where some guy had to stab his way out of a helicopter.

I also ask because those two knives are considered to be super tough, and I'm sure the cold steel would hold up, but I don't own it. I've never had experience with an axis lock though and if the application were ever to arise and I was trusting benchmades Adamas as an EDC that day, would it stab without closing on me? I understand fully it would be abuse, and I do not intend to go around stabbing things.
 
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I don't worry about lockback and axis locks for that type of activity. I also don't do full force stabs, since the knife blade generally won't fully penetrate or could break. But having to chip away at wood, plastic or ice, never been an issue.
 
Any decent folder would not close on you. If you are putting that much force into it then some of them might actually break the blade sideways, but your biggest risk would be for your hand to slide down off of the handle onto the blade and cut you that way.

I think there might be times when you would need to stab something tough with a knife and if a folder is all you have then that's what you will have to use. I bought the black CRKT M16 in the photo to experiment with. It was pretty beat up when I got it but I was able to give it a pretty good edge. I intend to take it to my dad's shop and try stabbing some old car sheet metal. I haven't figured out what precautions to take yet. I'm 99% certain that it won't close, and the dual flippers would help keep my hand from sliding down, but that remaining 1% of uncertainty is enough that I want to take double precautions. These particular CRKT's have thick blades, stout points and aluminum scales. I can't imagine what it would take to break one.

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i am not sure i see the point in truly stabbing something with a folder. with that said. if the item i intended to stab was hard like a piece of plywood then i would just plain not do it. however if it was a last ditch self defense situation. where my gun had malfunctioned(which i dont see happening seeing as its super clean and a freakin Glock) i would not worry about the lock failing on me while puncturing soft "fleshy" material.
 
I watched a guy repeatedly stab a cheap Frost lock-back into a desktop once and it never broke, but the tip did eventually bend.
(and I can't help it if I've known guys that do weird things with knives)
 
Whatever I did with my knives - it has never occurred to me to do by stabbing. So could we be more specific about the kind of work we intend to do? :)
 
BladeChick777 said:
I'm Not Surprised It Failed On You. :rolleyes:
If You're Stabbing Something That You Would For Regular EDC Used - Ex.: Clothing, Cloth, Boxes, Paper, Packaging, Etc, The Knife Isn't Going To Fail On You Because It's Made To Be Used.
If You're Stabbing Wood ... Well That Counts As Abuse And The Knife Is NOT Made To Withstand Ignorant Abuse.

A Knife Is A Tool Made For Our Uses, Whatever That May Be.
It Is NOT Made For Us To Misuse And Abuse, Which Is What You're Doing.

Knives Can Be Used For Almost Anything, But If You're Trying To Stab Hard Things, And Pry Things Open, And Obviously Do Things The Knife Wasn't Meant For It Is Very Likely To Fail On You.

All That Being Said, There Are Some Very Strong Locks Out There, And They May Not Fail With The First Stab, But I Wouldn't Expect The Knife To Last Through A Large Series Of Abusive Usage.

If We Use Knives Like They're Supposed To Be Used, We Don't Really Have To Worry So Much About Them Failing And Us Getting Hurt.
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Please, do you have to start EVERY word with a capital? It´s hard and annoying to read. You have lot´s of good things to say, so why make it so hard for us to take it in? Please?
 
Poez said:
Whatever I did with my knives - it has never occurred to me to do by stabbing. So could we be more specific about the kind of work we intend to do? :)
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Most knives exist for CUTTING, not stabbing or prying, but there are times when you need to stab or you need to pry, and the knife you have is the only tool that you have. I was reading a story about a guy that ended up in a burning building and the fire exit was chained shut. He stabbed his fixed blade knife through the metal fire door and then cut an opening in the door by batoning. Most people would not recommend that you do this to your knife, but it beats being burned in a building.
 
Slowstarter said:
Please, do you have to start EVERY word with a capital? It´s hard and annoying to read. You have lot´s of good things to say, so why make it so hard for us to take it in? Please?
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Okay, I'll admit to skipping over her long posts a lot. I didn't want to say anything, but it hurts my eyes also. In fact I rarely read even her short ones. I wish I could. I didn't want to say something, but now that Slowstarter did, I don't feel so bad.

And yes, I too treat every folding knife as well, a folding knife. But with that said, I don't have any junk folders I would be afraid to stab with if I NEED to. I would recommend against it, though.

Know the limitations of your gear.
 
I've seen some folders stabbed into layers of cardboard repeatedly as hard as the guy could possibly stab it in there. The lock didn't fail, the tip didn't bend and it still had a somewhat decent edge left after this too. The knife that he did this with was a Benchmade 950.
 
that's like calling a crescent wrench or a ratchet a toy because they have moving parts and a combination wrench doesn't
 
hardheart said:
that's like calling a crescent wrench or a ratchet a toy because they have moving parts and a combination wrench doesn't
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Well, there must be a good reason the adjustable/Crescent wrench a 'knuckle buster.' :D I don't now many pro mechanics who use them.
 
TriviaMonster said:
Okay, I'll admit to skipping over her long posts a lot. I didn't want to say anything, but it hurts my eyes also. In fact I rarely read even her short ones. I wish I could. I didn't want to say something, but now that Slowstarter did, I don't feel so bad.

And yes, I too treat every folding knife as well, a folding knife. But with that said, I don't have any junk folders I would be afraid to stab with if I NEED to. I would recommend against it, though.

Know the limitations of your gear.
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It's called the ignore button boys, I don't even try to read them anymore
 
There are a few folders I feel very comfortable stabbing with. Tri-Ad lock folders, the Extrema Ratio RAO (it is impossible for that one to fold on you if you have the secondary lock installed), folders with the Lionsteel Rotoblock also feel extremely secure. I also trust the Spyderco compression lock enough to stab the Superleaf into a tree with significant force. ;)
Normal lockbacks, linerlocks and framelocks, I will not stab with unless it's into a carton of milk. :D
 
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