Stabbing.

[SeaxyBeast]

ok I partially take back my statement.
I 'll never stab it into wood or anything like that but maybe in SD if the need and neccesity arises

Of course you can stab with a folder -- that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not you can fully trust a folder with not closing at all during a stab and in this regard a fixed blade is always going to be more reliable.
Having said that, of course you can stab with a folder -- just stab away... but, there is always going to be the chance of it folding onto your fingers and making little sausage-snippets of them.
Is it worth it? Well, in a SD situation -- of course! I'd rather lose a hand than my life -- or at least get the f%#er in the process and go out like a man.

Winner. Stabbing with a folding knife is a bit of a risk. There aren't many good reasons for stabbing something with any knife. Most of the time those good reasons come with a measure of desperation and risk to the user's wellbeing. If the need for stabbing outweighs the risk of injury if the blade closes then commence stabbing. If not, use the folding knife as intended.

Just to expand this great topic a bit whats the best knife for slashing a throat?

Probably something purpose built for use ony by top secret operators by Dark Ops and named the "Extreme Exsanguinator".

 

[Fat Goat Forge]

How you got that from his post is a little hard to gather. So is any point you were trying to make with such an inflammatory post.

My point was that I think that a folder can fold and although I think for self defense my order of preferance is

1.) dont be there in the first place
2.) leave, run away
3.) de-escalate the situation
4.) OC pepperspray backed up with kubaton yawara
5.) Gun

6.) and a very distant 6th place is a knife. Its a very close range weapon that needs insane amounts of practice to be effective in a defensive role against another blade . BTW in an offensive role they are hard to defeat. Against an unarmed assailant they work well but sticky legal issues trying to prove that you had no choice but to escalate to a deadly force weapon, juries dont like knives, having a CCW and using a firearm is less likely to send you jail. I'm never going to go knife vs knife I'm going to run and if I cant run go for the gun.

but I do carry them and hey if the above 5 things are not working, sure I'd use a knife to defend my self and sure I carry folders and if thats what I was able to deploy IDK guy is unaffected by pepper spray and I forgot my gun that day and I can't find my fixed blade (BTW in an adrenalized state its not out of the question to not have time to unholster a gun, or reach the fixed blade or for that matter get to the can of OC spray as you are being assaulted) a real fight for your life is just not a pleasant thing to contemplate. For that matter good luck deploying the folder. I'm a big fan of steps 1 2 and 3 above. But if it gets past that and I have to defend myself really the only rule is "Do whatever you have to do with whatever you can get into action"

Back to the point of discussion however of fixed blade vs folder. The poster stated

Fact remains, people have been using folders to stab for years.
Do your research into okapi knives and Knife crimes in south africa for example.
They are dirt cheap lockback knives and used in almost 90% of all stabbing related murders
After that if you still not convinced visit Cape Town, South Afr.
Go to the Cape flats and start trouble with the gangs.
After that, If you still alive then come back and say folders suck for stabbing

And I feel my point that folders can fold on your fingers particularly "dirt cheap ones" is accurate. I love folders I carry folders if all I could reach is one of my folders I would use one for SD. But I don't care if the Okapi knives are used in 90% of the stabbing related murders that does not support the case that folders are superior to fixed blades for SD. Honestly just go get your CCW as guns are superior to knives. And become good at steps 1, 2 and 3 as not being involved in a situation where you have no choice but to use deadly levels of force is superior to being in such a situation.

 

[Doogoon]

Fat Goat Forge, I did not make this thread with self defence nor finding the best item to stab with in mind. I intend to never need to use a blade in defence, nor am I planning on using my folders to stab things.

 

[frenchmade]

Winner. Stabbing with a folding knife is a bit of a risk. There aren't many good reasons for stabbing something with any knife.

Unless you're the OP and you really need to stab your knife into some plywood for that perfect photo...

 

[frenchmade]

She claims to have the habit of hitting the shift key, with her little finger on every new word. (and she can't break it) Since the moderators seem have no problem with her doing it, (I guess it breaks no rule) all I'd suggest is either putting her on ignore, or dealing with it. Many here have voiced their concerns over it and she's not going to stop, just because some find it distracting.

As I suspected, not a good reason at all. In fact, its a terrible one.
I'm perfectly aware it doesn't break any forum rules, but Slowstarter had a good point: BladeChick has some interesting and important things to say that I would like to read. I don't want to have to ignore someone because they can't will themselves to type properly. How can you have more than 2000 posts on an internet forum and not know how to type properly? I wonder what she does when she has to submit paper for school? or a resume for a job? or compose a formal e-mail? It seems like such an easy thing to fix.
You mentioned that many people have "voiced their concerns" here. So obviously it is a problem. It's incredibly annoying. Think about how much extra work it is to add an extra key stroke to every word you type!
It may seem like I'm blowing this out of proportion, but this kind of misuse of grammar and punctuation represents a slow but steady degradation of literacy. And if we are to survive in an internet age and attempt to communicate to one another effectively then we have to be a little vigilant now and then on poor spelling, sentence structure, and Capitalizing Every Word You Write.
Anyway, sorry for derailing this thread, I won't post about it again.




-The Grammar Nazi

 

[jill jackson]

It's a step above those people that can't be bothered to use, any capital letters. In it's annoyance factor, I will grant you that.

 

[Fat Goat Forge]

It's a step above those people that can't be bothered to use, any capital letters. In it's annoyance factor, I will grant you that.

anD absolutelY mucH betteR thaN thosE thaT insisT oN capitalizinG thE lasT letteR oF eacH worD thaT theY typE. I reallY canT stanD thaT. iT makeS iT verY harD tO reaD.

 

[brandonc]

It's interesting how the top 2 topics on the general forum is "what is the strongest knife" and how anything besides push cutting newspaper is abuse.

Besides one-hand deployment, "thrust-cutting" is the number one reason to carry a locker over a slipjoint. If stabbing is a sure way to break a knife, I wonder why all those older times traded their slipjoints for buck 110's when it came out.

I use my edc blades to kill deadly bark scorpions and other venomous animals frequently.

 

[Slowstarter]

anD absolutelY mucH betteR thaN thosE thaT insisT oN capitalizinG thE lasT letteR oF eacH worD thaT theY typE. I reallY canT stanD thaT. iT makeS iT verY harD tO reaD.

Did you konw taht you olny hvae to put the frist and lsat lteetr in eervy wrod ccerrot. The mdidle oens can be shffueld in any way. You can siltl raed it!

 

[BBW]

Use any knife with a choil (i.e. Strider, Hinderer) and choke it... in the event of the lock failing, it would pinch your finger but never cut you ;-)
you CAN stab safely with them IMO

 

[jill jackson]

Besides one-hand deployment, "thrust-cutting" is the number one reason to carry a locker over a slipjoint. If stabbing is a sure way to break a knife, I wonder why all those older times traded their slipjoints for buck 110's when it came out.

The reason people liked the lock-back folder, when it first came out, is because when you use the tip of a blade to, dig or poke in material it is subject to force that will close it. You don't have to be stabbing hard to have a slip joint knife fold up, when you say try making a hole in something with the tip.

 

[Fat Goat Forge]

The reason people liked the lock-back folder, when it first came out, is because when you use the tip of a blade to, dig or poke in material it is subject to force that will close it. You don't have to be stabbing hard to have a slip joint knife fold up, when you say try making a hole in something with the tip.

There's a lawsuit now in AK over a folder folding on a guy. I just started a post in general knife discussion to discuss that news item.

 

[djjonny]

Fat Goat Forge, I did not make this thread with self defence nor finding the best item to stab with in mind. I intend to never need to use a blade in defence, nor am I planning on using my folders to stab things.

That was my fault. I apologize

Fat Goat Forge, believe or not, I do not disagree with you at all.

I do not believe knives are superior to guns or that folders are superior fixed blades and never stated either

With the utmost respect, can we please stop arguing?
I'm sorry for any offense taken or coming across wrong

 

[Tony8179]

4.) OC pepperspray backed up with kubaton yawara
5.) Gun
6.) and a very distant 6th place is a knife.

You carry Pepperspary, a Kubaton, a pistol, and a knife on you at all times? Really?

As I suspected, not a good reason at all. In fact, its a terrible one.
I'm perfectly aware it doesn't break any forum rules, but Slowstarter had a good point: BladeChick has some interesting and important things to say that I would like to read. I don't want to have to ignore someone because they can't will themselves to type properly. How can you have more than 2000 posts on an internet forum and not know how to type properly? I wonder what she does when she has to submit paper for school? or a resume for a job? or compose a formal e-mail? It seems like such an easy thing to fix.
You mentioned that many people have "voiced their concerns" here. So obviously it is a problem. It's incredibly annoying. Think about how much extra work it is to add an extra key stroke to every word you type!
It may seem like I'm blowing this out of proportion, but this kind of misuse of grammar and punctuation represents a slow but steady degradation of literacy. And if we are to survive in an internet age and attempt to communicate to one another effectively then we have to be a little vigilant now and then on poor spelling, sentence structure, and Capitalizing Every Word You Write.
Anyway, sorry for derailing this thread, I won't post about it again.

-The Grammar Nazi

Serisously. She's been on my ignore list since the first time this was all discussed and she said she wouldn't change the way she does things to please others, or something like that. To me it's rude and inconsiderate to those she is trying to convey a thought to.

To the OP. If you need to stab something with a folder it's because you are screwed if you don't stab or if you do anything else other than stabbing. If it comes down to losing a digit or a life then I would stab whatever I had to and lose the digit. If you're stabbing at something because you want to, well then that's just silly and I wouldn't recommend it with even a fixed blade. Stabbing just to stab is bad idea. Your hand can still slip down that fixed blade and cut yourself something fierce.

 

[hardheart]

Back to the point of discussion however of fixed blade vs folder.

this is not the point of discussion

folders are superior to fixed blades for SD

you are the only person in this entire thread to comment on this. Superiority was never brought up. If he had said 90% of tomatoes in S Africa are sliced with folders, does that mean he is saying folders are superior to kitchen knives? No, he is making the point that folders can be used for slicing tomatoes, which would thereby negate the notion that folders cannot be used for slicing tomatoes.

I don't know what the word 'stab' conjures up for some people, but the definition is not so exact as to only mean thrusting a knife into a person, or thrusting a knife with all the power one can muster in the most haphazard way possible. The specific example was trying to stick a folder into a piece of plywood to take a picture.

 

[Doogoon]

this is not the point of discussion


you are the only person in this entire thread to comment on this. Superiority was never brought up. If he had said 90% of tomatoes in S Africa are sliced with folders, does that mean he is saying folders are superior to kitchen knives? No, he is making the point that folders can be used for slicing tomatoes, which would thereby negate the notion that folders cannot be used for slicing tomatoes.

I don't know what the word 'stab' conjures up for some people, but the definition is not so exact as to only mean thrusting a knife into a person, or thrusting a knife with all the power one can muster in the most haphazard way possible. The specific example was trying to stick a folder into a piece of plywood to take a picture.

Unfortunately that's the way people think, even in the knife community.

 

[Joshua J.]

Is it just me, or does it feel like no matter how tough the folding knife is, it feels like it will close on you if you stab something hard with it? Ever since I stabbed an old Schrade lockback into a piece of plywood that closed on me (lucky for me it didn't catch my fingers and only closed to 90 degrees) I've felt like every knife I stab will close on me. I've even stabbed with the Recon 1 tanto by cold steel and I still felt like it would fold. I stabbed my Benchmade Adamas and I felt like I was going to have it close on me.

Am I just paranoid? Or should I be concerned about the knife closing even with these two models?

It sounds like you had a close call and learned from it. That's normal, I feel the same way. Use a knife with a flipper or large choil, then your finger won't get cut off if the lock fails.

 

[allyourblood]

Or should I be concerned about the knife closing even with these two models?

You should always be at least a little concerned with a folding knife failing on you (even if just a tiny bit). Regardless of what anyone tells you, it is a fact that any folding knife ever made has the potential to fail and injure you depending on its use (ie: stabbing into hard materials). People can talk about lock types, grips, motion, etc., until they're blue in the face; none of it will alter the possibility of things going wrong when you don't want them to. This includes Tri-Ad locks, balisongs, flippers, and on and on.

Is it likely? Probably not. But you'd better believe it's possible. Ideas? Wear heavy gloves and stab with caution. Or better yet, find another way to take a photo.

As for BladeChick777, I have to agree with most folks in this thread. Sometimes I wanna read what she posts but I just simply can't -- her capitalizing style drives me nuts. I've had her on "ignore" for a long time (along with folks who insist on changing their font size or color in every post) and unfortunately I'm constantly reminded of it whenever she posts and it's blocked. Seeing the blocked posts is almost as annoying as reading the actual text. Almost.

 

[USAFSP]

Is it just me, or does it feel like no matter how tough the folding knife is, it feels like it will close on you if you stab something hard with it? Ever since I stabbed an old Schrade lockback into a piece of plywood that closed on me (lucky for me it didn't catch my fingers and only closed to 90 degrees) I've felt like every knife I stab will close on me. I've even stabbed with the Recon 1 tanto by cold steel and I still felt like it would fold. I stabbed my Benchmade Adamas and I felt like I was going to have it close on me.

Am I just paranoid? Or should I be concerned about the knife closing even with these two models?

I had a folder fail and close on me when I was in my teens. The blade went down to the bone and I have a nice scar to remind me of it. I prefer to carry a fixed blade whenever possible now. I like folders and don’t have a problem using them but not for hard work. I carry a fixed blade most of the time so it’s not an issue.

 

[elkins45]

I wouldn't know. I don't use a knife to stab things.

I was going to say something like that but then I realized that I really do stab things. Our icemaker is beyond repair so I sometimes buy bagged ice. It invariably comes as a big giant lump that needs to be stabbed apart. I also found myself stabbing apart some big clumps of peat moss yesterday, and I have a giant bucket-o-detergent in the garage that got wet and hardened into a single clump. When I need to wash the car I have to grab a knife and stab loose the correct amount of soap. And the container of onion powder I use to make deer jerky is a big solid clump that almost has to be drilled out with a slicing blade.

So I guess I do stab things. As much as possible I try to do it with fixed blades. I keep a Mora Craftsman in the garage for most abusive tasks like that, but I found myself stabbing the peat moss yesterday with my Para 2...but it wasn't crazy psycho stabbing and peat moss really isn't that hard.

I think the advice of treating every folder like it doesn't have a lock is good advice indeed....because one of these days you just might pick up one that actually doesn't.